LED lights for growing

[LED_experiments]

you however are experimenting with led grows, yes u found you can grow with 17w, but it wasnt effective as other lights

do you know how to run experiments when trying something new? are you willing to spend a couple k$ if you are not sure that your theory is right? i guess not, if you are not bill gates or somebody with a huge budget. it's simple to buy a hps system for couple of $ and add more if you think it doesn't have enough output. but when designing a led array, there is still so many undiscovered issues, that you can't just simply buy and be sure that is good. that is why we are experimenting on smaller systems with different configurations, and when we get something good, then we'll make a big system. we don't have parents who would give us everything we want. maybe you have that luck.
you said that 'it wasnt effective as other lights' ARE YOU SURE? i allready said that if you have a lamp that can grow plants as good as led WITH THE SAME POWER CONSUMPTION, let me know. othervise don't say that other lamps are more effective. if you compare 17W led to your 70W (what you do all the time), let me say again - you CAN'T compare that. we'll run an experiment 70W led vs. 70W hps soon and your green face will be very welcome in that thread.
and stop fooling yourself that you are not dissing him. read your posts again. you are complaining all the time, doesn't mather what.

and wether you stay or go is no skin off my nose, i just hope someone will show us a bigger wattage led grow, so we can decide wether to try it or not.

maybe there allready is a bigger wattage led grow, but the grower decided not to show you results because of your attitude to led growers. if he shows you 100W ledgrow, you would be complaining that you grow better plants with your 400W hps. if he showed you 200W led setup, you would say that you get better plants with your 1000W hps. if he shows you 1000W ledgrow, you would probably compare it to your 10 × 400W hps growroom..... admit to yourself, that is exactly what you are doing when comparing greg's ledgrow to your 70w hps. i'm sure there will be a lot of bigger wattage led grows, but first of all, we need to find out what configuration is the best. and we will keep doing that on SMALL wattage (if you like it or not). unless you have too much money, i can give you my bank account number so that you can give me a lot of K$. then i can make 10 different 400W test pannels to see which one is the best.

no hard feelings, but you want us to make miracles. i'm sory to show you the reality. we are not magicians, milionaires or something like that. we are just humans, who try to make the future better.

 

[HighonthePrize]

i for one am very excited about where led is going. good work to all the pioneers of pot. smokey, i think this might be over your head man. maybe take some math classes at night school.

 

[icdog]

Has anybody heard of this company?
http://www.solaroasis.com/grow_advantages.htm
They claim 3 grow bars compares to a 400w mh.

 

[blackone]

I find that claim a little hard to believe - 18 watt equaling 400 watts?
But unrealistic marketing material aside - I really do think led lights could have a bright future as growlights. Especially if mainstream demands for led lights increase, and cheaper mass-production techniques are put to use.
1 g/W on a first try is definitely more than just a gimmick Good luck on your grow, I would love to follow your 70W led experiment in a diary. Who knows what bigger and more mature plants would do to the g/W ratio

 

[LED_experiments]

there are only 2 letters that can be used for their claim: BS (i hope you know what that stands for)
when money walks, bullshit talks. for that ammount of money they want to sell you their lamp, i can build quite a large setup. at least i know what i have and use what i want. i allready spoke to that company, trying to get info about their product. i didn't get any answer, they just keep sending me their 'new offer' e-mails. i guess they are affraid that i would figure out what their product real price is. or maybe they are scared that i would steal their patent. if i wanted to do that, i would allready done that. but i won't because it sucks. i'm not stupid to buy that.

 

[smokeymacpot]

do you know how to run experiments when trying something new? are you willing to spend a couple k$ if you are not sure that your theory is right? i guess not, if you are not bill gates or somebody with a huge budget. it's simple to buy a hps system for couple of $ and add more if you think it doesn't have enough output. but when designing a led array, there is still so many undiscovered issues, that you can't just simply buy and be sure that is good. that is why we are experimenting on smaller systems with different configurations, and when we get something good, then we'll make a big system. we don't have parents who would give us everything we want. maybe you have that luck.
you said that 'it wasnt effective as other lights' ARE YOU SURE? i allready said that if you have a lamp that can grow plants as good as led WITH THE SAME POWER CONSUMPTION, let me know. othervise don't say that other lamps are more effective. if you compare 17W led to your 70W (what you do all the time), let me say again - you CAN'T compare that. we'll run an experiment 70W led vs. 70W hps soon and your green face will be very welcome in that thread.
and stop fooling yourself that you are not dissing him. read your posts again. you are complaining all the time, doesn't mather what.



maybe there allready is a bigger wattage led grow, but the grower decided not to show you results because of your attitude to led growers. if he shows you 100W ledgrow, you would be complaining that you grow better plants with your 400W hps. if he showed you 200W led setup, you would say that you get better plants with your 1000W hps. if he shows you 1000W ledgrow, you would probably compare it to your 10 × 400W hps growroom..... admit to yourself, that is exactly what you are doing when comparing greg's ledgrow to your 70w hps. i'm sure there will be a lot of bigger wattage led grows, but first of all, we need to find out what configuration is the best. and we will keep doing that on SMALL wattage (if you like it or not). unless you have too much money, i can give you my bank account number so that you can give me a lot of K$. then i can make 10 different 400W test pannels to see which one is the best.

no hard feelings, but you want us to make miracles. i'm sory to show you the reality. we are not magicians, milionaires or something like that. we are just humans, who try to make the future better.

if you think i would complain at a 100w led grow, then your an idiot. i would very much like to see one, it might grow some nice big plants.

your 17w grow isnt as effective as other lights, people arent going to swap their 1000w lights for 17w of led, because theres not enough light being given out by them and they wont get much bud.

why cant you just say "yes we are attempting to see if we can grow a bigger plant with more watts" not think everyones flaming and dissing the growing method.

 

[Guest]

Hello all....... ICdog and Ballastman

Hello all....... ICdog and Ballastman

ICdog---that is bullshit. I have personally seen one of these strips. They add some green just to make the plants look normal. (not productive) There is no way those small focal lights can outdo a 400w. LED experiments has the most valid method at this time. With the 3w LEDs building up I could see focal LEDs maybe some day taking that direction but not now. The ligh is dispersed is a narrow degree straight out. Anything between would not receive light, even if a broad degree LED were used in these things and they are not because the cone with the V in it configuration is just too ineffective. Sorry I don't know all the right technical terms but have spent much time investigating the subject including buying one of those bars to see if I could duplicate the configuration and multiply it.

Great to see you waide in on this one Ballastman you would be one that could build one of these. I just don't have enough knowledge of the electrical field and can not understand the intracacies. Although, if you ever get shot I could take very good care of that.LOL

Peace

 

[LED_experiments]

people arent going to swap their 1000w lights for 17w of led, because theres not enough light being given out by them and they wont get much bud.

see, now you are comparing 17W to 1000W. you are getting worse and worse with every single posts you write. at first you compared 17W to 70W, now you want to compare 17W to 1000W . i really think you should do what HighonthePrize suggested you. something is wrong with your math. how old are you? my little brother knew that 1000 is much more than 70, and 70 is much more than 17 when he was 6.

why cant you just say "yes we are attempting to see if we can grow a bigger plant with more watts" not think everyones flaming and dissing the growing method.

did you even read my post? if you want more watts, you need more money. and i'm not willing to spend so much money on something if i don't know if the configuration is good. if you are, be my guest. i would love to see your 100W led setup and claiming that my 5kW hps is better. in this thread you are the only person that is flaming and dissing. everybody else showed some interest and respect, but you look like you come from another planet where 1+1 is not 2 or 3. how much is it? 1000?

about bigger wattaged grows: maybe a friend of mine will post a grow diary 70W led vs. 70W hps to this forum. i realy hope that he doesn't read your posts. if he does, i guess he will be to affraid to show his results to you, because you will start comparing his grow to 10kW hps setup. and all the other people who are really interested in this won't see his results because of your attitude.

if you think i would complain at a 100w led grow, then your an idiot.

ok, i admit, THEN I AM AN IDIOT. satisfied?

 

[smokeymacpot]

haha you are really dumb im not comparing them like that. im saying no one is going to want to change to leds based on the plant shown earlier, but they might think about it if they saw more led's being used and better plants being grown.

money money money, if your not going to use more watts to grow then your experiments arent gonna go any further than saying yes you can grow a plant with leds.

 

[PHB]

Can't we all just get along ;-)

Arguing on a forum devoted to mj always strikes me as a bit ironic.

 

[Guest]

17w compared to 1000w? you are trully one disturbed individual. and for the last time - no one is advocating leds or forceing you to switch to leds.we are just trying to show what we are doing, to those who want to see. and what is your purpose?
just let us do our thing and you do your thing (unless yout thing is what your doing right now). this is exactly why people don't show their experiments. 2 pages of useless arguing . nothing good can come from this. i'm just sorry for all those who are interested, pages bulid up but nothing usefull just people at thier worst.

p.s.: you calling led_ex stupid is like me calling Asafa Powell slow.you have no idea what he did for our effort.he is a legend in this game and he has people all over the world on the edge of their seats waiting for a new lamp/experiment and they ALL give him the respect he deserves.you comment just shows that you are not capable of construcive debate

 

[Guest]

Second Greg's and PHB's sentiments........

Second Greg's and PHB's sentiments........

Where are the moderators on this kind of shit???????????????????????

We are all on here to debate and share ideas. Debate means we can disagree and logically, constructively so......... talk about it and agree to disagree.

NOT THIS SHIT....... now knock it off. If you don't like it and can't play well with others move on to another thread but don't start insulting and calling names. We are not on the grade school play ground----- see that is how you disagree, and make the other sound stupid without calling them stupid. G....E.....T........I..T!

Enough said.. lets get back to meaningful discussion, and yes, debate.

Peace

 

[icdog]

Thanks guys

LED_experiments I know you've said its difficult to compare because it is not the same light but most people will need some comparison so is there some way to do that?

 

[LED_experiments]

i allready said that there will be bigger setup soon. i got a grower, who is willing to run a comparation grow with equall wattaged lamps. 70W hps and 70W led. both growspaces will have equal dimensions, growing technicque, same strains,...
we still have some problems, so the light system is not ready yet. when he runs that experiment, he'll most probabbly make a grow diary somewhere. if it won't be here, i'll give you a link or report about the progress.

 

[chosen]

I can't wait for a 100 or 150 hps to 100 or 150 LED growoff. I've used the bars from Led growmaster. They compared them to 100 watt hps lights. They didn't compare at all. I do like the idea of 1 gram per watt. I believe that some of the LED growers will break through. I actually have an electrical engineer friend who has been playing with the high light emitting diodes. Yet, just as you mentioned the cost is killing him. 1 Day LEDs will have their rightful place. People said that fluoros cfl and tube don't work either and they've been proven wrong a million times over..

 

[r2_]

Check these:

http://store.thatcrazynight.com/index.php/cPath/22

 

[Guest]

r2- those are some outrageous prices for extremely low wattage

 

[r2_]

What? It's the cheapest I can find around anywhere.

 

[IGrowWithLEDs]

hate to say it, but 3 of those wont get you very far. Thats a totalt of 9 watts (aproximately), that will be good for clones or the first 2 weeks of a plants life.