LED and BUD QUALITY

[Loc Dog]

Another issue with sellers is if they are legit genetics, some seed of that variety, or just a seed from something they grew. Especially with the sellers sending clones on verge of death from mold. Will never get to flower to see if real genetics or if it duds from HLVD.

Only way to know if genetics are real is to get from originator, and many do not sell their clones. Have tried finding Capulator, Seed Junky, Canarado, Phinest and others, and they seem to only sell seeds.

 

[Brother Nature]

I don't live in a legal market, but quality control is still paramount among those who sell clones. You sell something tainted, the best thing that happens is no one does business with you anymore. Seems very odd that in a legal industry, this is such a commonplace issue. This definitely isn't the first thread I've seen this in, surely word gets out and these types of businesses don't thrive? Seems very odd that it happens so much.

 

[Ca++]

I have thought about it after this nightmare, creating a reputable company with guarantee. I am great at doing the work. It is getting customers has always been my problem. Had every microsoft and all but one cisco certification that only 1200 people had in 2004, but not a salesperson or a people person. After paying for genetics, it is less than a dollar in rockwool, nutrients and electric for a clone, with a little work every few days controlling feed and humidity. That is just under 20,000% profit. in 1960's 20% was considered fair profit. Have seen clowns on Discord that want $1000 for 3 snips of some crosses they made, paid through crypto, and no accountability or track record.

I'm hearing Discord from you, and I think you spoke of others? These marketplaces exist, who will sell your whatever.
Can you put up pics of the mums, the isolation they live in, the certificates that will be supplied? If so, it seems you won't be doing the marketing. Other people good at marketing, but not growing, are waiting for your call. People who's reach you can see. As you found them.

You should start out with very few, of the most spoke of strains. Initial investment in each would be high, as rounds of testing before anything sells is an expense to bare. However, you will get the sales, as you have the papers. You need not be cheaper to compete.

 

[Loc Dog]

I'm hearing Discord from you, and I think you spoke of others? These marketplaces exist, who will sell your whatever.
Can you put up pics of the mums, the isolation they live in, the certificates that will be supplied? If so, it seems you won't be doing the marketing. Other people good at marketing, but not growing, are waiting for your call. People who's reach you can see. As you found them.

You should start out with very few, of the most spoke of strains. Initial investment in each would be high, as rounds of testing before anything sells is an expense to bare. However, you will get the sales, as you have the papers. You need not be cheaper to compete.

Sorry for taking thread off topic, but biggest issue is dishonest people, and testing can be faked, unless outside firm collects them. Was thinking you are better off with cuts, since if mother was infected, it would die or have severe problems. Sounds like dirty practices. One recent seller said they dunk trays to feed them. If one has mold everything they are exposed to does.

 

[Uksfinest]

5 weeks flower under 400w LED

 

[slowrider]

How did the Led conversation go from "dim the lights" to "needs more lights overnight. Yet people are still dumping on calmag and flushing P deficient plants.

Something tells me the people who were dimming their lights yesterday don't have nutrition figured out enough to be adding more shit spectrum light.

Shit, dude...

 

[hillbil]

Vaping some very powerful Rosetta 78 from Brothers Grimm grown under LED COBs and Boards.

 

[WingzHauser]

Shit, dude...
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Show me your calmag deficiency Slow rider. Coot is that you? Telling people about your seed cake enzymes again? That's what we're all here for. To say the same shit over and over until the patterns change and all you people are cringed out of the community for good.

 

[slowrider]

Show me your calmag deficiency Slow rider. Coot is that you? Telling people about your seed cake enzymes again? That's what we're all here for. To say the same shit over and over until the patterns change and all you people are cringed out of the community for good.

Not coot and not hamthemeatman. Couldn't find the message button so just posted on your last post. It was nothing to do with your post. Still waiting for your book to come out!

 

[Discorilla]

LEDs will get the job done. These were Amazon LEDs bought in 2017. Grapestomper up top, and a God Bud dom God's Green Crack on the bottom. The only issue at the beginning, was watching the plants more because they grew a little different (hungrier depending on strain/pheno). With Organic/Natural, the plant will do it's thing under LEDs. I've got more mature photos somewhere on my computer, but these were some pretty ones that caught my eye.

 

[CannaT]

View attachment 18896331 View attachment 18896332 LEDs will get the job done. These were Amazon LEDs bought in 2017. Grapestomper up top, and a God Bud dom God's Green Crack on the bottom. The only issue at the beginning, was watching the plants more because they grew a little different (hungrier depending on strain/pheno). With Organic/Natural, the plant will do it's thing under LEDs. I've got more mature photos somewhere on my computer, but these were some pretty ones that caught my eye.

Leds are very different each model.
I found that is truth overal leds are good and you can grow with them.
Very good quality of product etc...there are some no doubt high quality models.
But it still lack a lot compared to hids if we talk only about flower quality.
Never saw any bud under led that have pungency of good grown Hid bud.

While smoking only led last few months and still i think its very good herb no doubt.
Friend brought me sample of his CMH small box 315w grown. And it was more pungent than any led bud from few different models and grow ops.

So my overall winer for my needs still is HID.

 

[Discorilla]

Leds are very different each model.
I found that is truth overal leds are good and you can grow with them.
Very good quality of product etc...there are some no doubt high quality models.
But it still lack a lot compared to hids if we talk only about flower quality.
Never saw any bud under led that have pungency of good grown Hid bud.

While smoking only led last few months and still i think its very good herb no doubt.
Friend brought me sample of his CMH small box 315w grown. And it was more pungent than any led bud from few different models and grow ops.

So my overall winer for my needs still is HID.

It's all up to the grower to bring out the gas. Rec and med, I haven't seen much of a difference. It's the home growers that I've noticed a bigger difference with. Their special cuts run with LED/CMH have blown out the HPS buds I've seen recently.

 

[Ca++]

Most of the buzzword strains of the last few years, have lacked any real pungency, no matter the grow method. I have had no real interest in any of them. Though there is still some stink to be had. I have things in veg that smell more than a flowered off biscuit. Which really shouldn't be surprising. There have always been things about as smelly as milk. Critical, Widow, Sage, to name but a few. Each is alright in isolation, but then you get your skunk out, and they are just lost in the noise.
People claim to be breeding for smell, but smell control seems more likely. While good smelling plants are likely loosing in the selection, beside bigger yielding plants, as it's all about money now.

I feel sure that a change in peoples stock, is somewhat to blame for looses LED gets blamed for. It's only running both lights, that this becomes apparent.

@Uksfinest
That's looking advanced for 5 weeks. What is it?

 

[CannaT]

Led provide no imunne system 4 plants and very slow metabolism.
Its hard to talk about plant grown to perfection.

Leds are great if you have 100% automated closed system...then they are unfuckable but I dont have that kind of setting.
I talk about OSchool air vented box and rooms.
And in this kind of setups led can suck bollocks of hid grown.

 

[CannaT]

View attachment 18896331 View attachment 18896332 LEDs will get the job done. These were Amazon LEDs bought in 2017. Grapestomper up top, and a God Bud dom God's Green Crack on the bottom. The only issue at the beginning, was watching the plants more because they grew a little different (hungrier depending on strain/pheno). With Organic/Natural, the plant will do it's thing under LEDs. I've got more mature photos somewhere on my computer, but these were some pretty ones that caught my eye.

You will get same flowers as I do last led run small buds. Maybe to much of N I tought that to myself later when you out that organic nutes and mycrobes you dont know in what time N or some elemnt will exploid in soil.
Still they were very good to smoke despite they were very small.

 

[CannaT]

It's all up to the grower to bring out the gas. Rec and med, I haven't seen much of a difference. It's the home growers that I've noticed a bigger difference with. Their special cuts run with LED/CMH have blown out the HPS buds I've seen recently.

Led/cmh shure is much better than HPS...no doubt CMH have UV and new led models have some IR.
Im talking led model vs Hid...never saw any led bud that is close to pungency with hids.

Leds just dont produce alchocols,and sulphure compounds in such amount hids do.
And alchocols and sulphure compounds are much more pungent than terps but evaporate much faster.
I always told led perfect grown smell the same like perfect grown hid after month or two of cure when sulphure compounds and alchocols evaporate in curing.
I know what Im talking about grow many the same cuttings under various lights in various setups.

 

[CannaT]

Most of the buzzword strains of the last few years, have lacked any real pungency, no matter the grow method. I have had no real interest in any of them. Though there is still some stink to be had. I have things in veg that smell more than a flowered off biscuit. Which really shouldn't be surprising. There have always been things about as smelly as milk. Critical, Widow, Sage, to name but a few. Each is alright in isolation, but then you get your skunk out, and they are just lost in the noise.
People claim to be breeding for smell, but smell control seems more likely. While good smelling plants are likely loosing in the selection, beside bigger yielding plants, as it's all about money now.

I feel sure that a change in peoples stock, is somewhat to blame for looses LED gets blamed for. It's only running both lights, that this becomes apparent.

@Uksfinest
That's looking advanced for 5 weeks. What is it?

I dont think that OG,Sours and Chem crosses which new strains are lack of pungency at all.

 

[Ca++]

I dont think that OG,Sours and Chem crosses which new strains are lack of pungency at all.

You are making me feel young again

 

[Discorilla]

Led/cmh shure is much better than HPS...no doubt CMH have UV and new led models have some IR.
Im talking led model vs Hid...never saw any led bud that is close to pungency with hids.

Leds just dont produce alchocols,and sulphure compounds in such amount hids do.
And alchocols and sulphure compounds are much more pungent than terps but evaporate much faster.
I always told led perfect grown smell the same like perfect grown hid after month or two of cure when sulphure compounds and alchocols evaporate in curing.
I know what Im talking about grow many the same cuttings under various lights in various setups.

There is work to perfecting LED Boards and fixtures. They have come a long way since those old photos I posted. There is still work, but HIDs have had decades to develop into what they are.
Here's a bud shot of @ojd 's Fuel Truck (Chem D Wrecker fems) that I grew under my LED Bars from ChilLED.

Made my house smell like really bad breath while drying, and got even smellier with a cure! I'm not trying to say that LEDs are the master way to grow. That's on the grower to show that. LEDs with good soil, good genetics, and love, can produce QUALITY and weight. That was what I initially posted for.

 

[CannaT]

There is work to perfecting LED Boards and fixtures. They have come a long way since those old photos I posted. There is still work, but HIDs have had decades to develop into what they are.
Here's a bud shot of @ojd 's Fuel Truck (Chem D Wrecker fems) that I grew under my LED Bars from ChilLED. View attachment 18896456 Made my house smell like really bad breath while drying, and got even smellier with a cure! I'm not trying to say that LEDs are the master way to grow. That's on the grower to show that. LEDs with good soil, good genetics, and love, can produce QUALITY and weight. That was what I initially posted for.

I didnt say you cant get good quality with leds.
Also those are terps if your ChemD dosent have hard punch in the face chemical glue smell its not grown to perfection by my thinking...And I never have that solvents smell with Leds.
Just this year growed at least 4 identical cuttings in hid and led setups.
And never led smell as pungent as Hids.

Led weed is pungent also that you dont mean that it dosent smell. But never as close to hid pungency.