I don't know enough about HLVP it was just an option for OP to explore , it must be frightening to see a plant you have grown many times underperform without knowing why.
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LED and BUD QUALITY
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dogzter
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Could be time for the eye doc @Boo ?
Sorry couldn't resist back to my hole I go.
Hello @Prawn Connery !
Sorry couldn't resist back to my hole I go.
Hello @Prawn Connery !
now that I think about it all but 1 plant was cloned off the others I had from the last run...I have 1 seed plant in the tent, pure sug OG I got from GMO and it's the same symptoms...large hard flowers with no trichs at 10 weeks...
could very well be in part due to my eyes getting old...I use cheaters but I fear they may not be good enough...I did discover a female G13 x BSH today...I was chopping all the males I I decided to take a final peek and low and behold I saw twin while hairs popping out of a pistil...gonna do another run with my seed collection...the truffle treats looks nice...Could be time for the eye doc @Boo ?
Sorry couldn't resist back to my hole I go.
Hello @Prawn Connery !
If everything is the same except the location, then the only real thing I can think of is temperature. Is there any chance it is warmer/hotter where they are growing now? I grew in a shed for a long time without climate control and the plants would do different things at different times of year depending on the temps.
When it is hotter, plants will stretch a little more and usually take a little longer to finish (they will flower longer). Terpenes will gas off quicker and you end up with buds that have a slightly weaker smell and taste.
Yields tend to be a bit better when it's warmer, but the quality drops off a little bit as if to compensate. That's why in a controlled environment, 30C will grow faster and give better yields indoors, but 25C will give better terpenes. I have found in growing that there always seems to be a trade-off between quality and quantity depending on a number of factors. Sometimes it is subtle and sometimes it is more obvious.
Anyone who has grown indoors without temperature control will tell you that there are certain times of the year when the grow just nails it, and other times of the year when you struggle a bit more to produce quality.
That would be plausible except he mentioned he was using the same LED light and it only started to happen when he moved indoors. I've often argued that one of the reasons HPS still holds its own with some strains is because cannabis was grown and selectively bred under HIDs for 40 years, so you would expect that – genetically – some strains are always going to perform under HIDs until such time as we have selectively bred successive generations under LED.
I've been flowering under HPS since 1999 but have used the LED's in the past with good results...I would make an educated guess that the 6 smaller ones that came from clones from the last plants all have little trichs...it would make sense that there is a genetic deficiency but the 1 plant that was from seed had nothing to do with the other plants...it's grown out well, fat and dense flowers but no trichs...hmmm
Spot the viroid plant..Medium viral load, high load plants will ripen prematurely. Compare resin on plants next to it, and on it. Same clone. Now imagine if booftown was your mother plant, you clone it, make more moms, clone them and fill a room. you will have a whole room of boof. And you will assume whatever difference to the grow before, lighting or temps, or otherwise was the cause.. There is one leaf on affected plant, that once you learn to spot that look where the leaflets fold under themselves, is a dead giveaway normally. Else only way you will know for sure is with PCR testing of roots. My moms were clean, thank God, tests just came back, this one plant infected down the line from the cloning.
These could be even better if I had the right flowering setup. My lights are fine but everything else is crap. I'm loving these big time. She still has a ways to go. Her sibling should be done in 80 days, bottom pics. Both are at 70 days. (Mango Haze x (C5 x Mango Haze) x Snowman x Biodiesel). These are what I call 1970s weed. Those terps are nice.
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Man your plants always look to thrive in your environment, what would you optimize? You're obviously doing a good job in your garden and you work with some difficult plants to please, long flowering sativa are more demanding than most modern hybrids and you're killing it, all your plants look beautiful. It's a good mindset to want to do better but you already do extremely good.
In my country almost nobody has AC in their house so I've always grown with climate fluctuation, while I was using HPS my best run were the winter ones as it was easier to be in the sweet spot for temperatures. So far with LED the winter runs are of excellent quality and average yield and the summer ones are better yielding with a small downgrade in quality, nothing huge but I can notice the difference.
I have not noticed such a huge difference in the RH in my grow but it's true that a HPS at 250w can help to raise the temps in winter.
At what % the moisture can be damaging for potency?
Man your plants always look to thrive in your environment, what would you optimize? You're obviously doing a good job in your garden and you work with some difficult plants to please, long flowering sativa are more demanding than most modern hybrids and you're killing it, all your plants look beautiful. It's a good mindset to want to do better but you already do extremely good.
Thanks but It's not good. I have minimal environmental controls. Which to me means none lol. I have no temp control. I can control my RH% OK but the rest I'm not happy with. I just don't have the funds to sink into improvements. I've been growing weed for so long that I can compensate for the issues. I wish I didn't have to work so hard at it.
OK I understand what you mean, it's very expensive to have total control of the climate in the grow room but it must be so nice, I agree 100%
shit.... imagine if u had total control.... that would be weed i'd pay for....tho i'd pay for the weed in your pics toooo.... goood job
Danja
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They seem to metabolise slower in colder temps and are surrounded by a higher humidity vapour cloud . It's bloody expensive trying to get everything balanced if you haven't got a top tier set up. I found raising temps to 30 hastens metabolism and adding the bulb helps lower humidity to range. There's a huge variation in people's set up on here to get where you need to be . Environment is everything.
