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Speaking on Monday, Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said that Jesus Campos had approached the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel not because of gunfire, but because of an open-door alarm that had gone off nearby.
Paddock then apparently saw him on the video cameras he'd rigged up in the hall and opened fire on him. That occurred at 9:59pm. Lombardo said last week that Paddock fired more than 200 rounds in that encounter.
Campos 'immediately, upon being injured, notified security of his situation,' Lombardo said.
Paddock then turned his gun on the 22,000 revelers at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival five minutes later, per the original timeline of 10:05pm, Lombardo said.
That contradicts what had been said last Wednesday by Lombardo, who claimed that Campos had approached Paddock while he was firing at around 10:15pm.
Paddock turned his gun on Campos, before stopping firing altogether, he said.
Police arrived just minutes later to a silent hallway, Lombardo claimed - at which point they assumed Paddock was barricaded in and no longer a threat to revelers.
With the hall silent, they - and Campos, who was injured but wanted to help - were free to evacuate the rest of the rooms leading up to Paddock, he said.
That was used as an excuse by Lombardo to explain the delayed response - arguing that even if Campos had not been there, other officers would have disrupted the massacre themselves.
But in the new timeline that excuse no longer works; Campos lay wounded for six minutes before Paddock started firing, police now say.
This is the new timeline given out on Monday.
9:59pm: Campos approaches Paddock's room looking for an alarm going off at a door nearby - likely from the stairwell. He is shot at and injured. He immediately notifies hotel security.
10:05pm: First shots fired by the suspect.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect for reasons unknown.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos, who has been stricken for almost 20 minutes, tells police about
Paddock's room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect's room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock's room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
It also means that Paddock fired for ten minutes on the crowd before stopping abruptly - for reasons that now have police baffled.
Of course, that in turn leaves a 16-minute window in which Paddock was left undisturbed while hundreds were injured and dozens died, and a 19-minute window between Campos being struck and cops arriving.
Speaking on Monday, Lombardo seemed to want to shift some of the blame for the discrepancy onto Campos.
'As you might imagine, Mr Campos was not only injured when he was fired upon as he [checked on] the door alarm down the hall... he was also extremely shaken up about what had happened to him,' Lombardo said.
'He was able to confirm to us exactly what he heard and saw in the moments before he was shot.'
He later added: 'In [the press's] zest for information, in my zest to insure the public safety, in the calming their minds, some things are going to change. They are minute changes... [what was said before was] not completely inaccurate.'
It's not clear which door Campos heard the alarm at, but previously Lombardo had said that SWAT teams approaching Paddock's room from the stairwell next to it had found the stairwell's door tampered with and sealed.
Lombardo also said on Monday that Campos heard Paddock drilling inside the room as he approached, possibly to install a camera or a gun.
That drill work was to the wall next to the doorway and not finished, the sheriff added.
When asked if he believed Paddock had stepped up the timeline and opened fire early because of the disruption, Lombardo declined to comment.
He also said that while he waited for police to arrive, Campos stopped a maintenance worker from entering the 32nd floor.
Also on Monday, Lombardo suggested that Paddock had planned to blow up nearby jet fuel tankers in the hopes of creating a distraction to escape.
Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964652/Las-Vegas-killer-timeline-chaos-new-revelations.html
Paddock then apparently saw him on the video cameras he'd rigged up in the hall and opened fire on him. That occurred at 9:59pm. Lombardo said last week that Paddock fired more than 200 rounds in that encounter.
Campos 'immediately, upon being injured, notified security of his situation,' Lombardo said.
Paddock then turned his gun on the 22,000 revelers at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival five minutes later, per the original timeline of 10:05pm, Lombardo said.
That contradicts what had been said last Wednesday by Lombardo, who claimed that Campos had approached Paddock while he was firing at around 10:15pm.
Paddock turned his gun on Campos, before stopping firing altogether, he said.
Police arrived just minutes later to a silent hallway, Lombardo claimed - at which point they assumed Paddock was barricaded in and no longer a threat to revelers.
With the hall silent, they - and Campos, who was injured but wanted to help - were free to evacuate the rest of the rooms leading up to Paddock, he said.
That was used as an excuse by Lombardo to explain the delayed response - arguing that even if Campos had not been there, other officers would have disrupted the massacre themselves.
But in the new timeline that excuse no longer works; Campos lay wounded for six minutes before Paddock started firing, police now say.
This is the new timeline given out on Monday.
9:59pm: Campos approaches Paddock's room looking for an alarm going off at a door nearby - likely from the stairwell. He is shot at and injured. He immediately notifies hotel security.
10:05pm: First shots fired by the suspect.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect for reasons unknown.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos, who has been stricken for almost 20 minutes, tells police about
Paddock's room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect's room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock's room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
It also means that Paddock fired for ten minutes on the crowd before stopping abruptly - for reasons that now have police baffled.
Of course, that in turn leaves a 16-minute window in which Paddock was left undisturbed while hundreds were injured and dozens died, and a 19-minute window between Campos being struck and cops arriving.
Speaking on Monday, Lombardo seemed to want to shift some of the blame for the discrepancy onto Campos.
'As you might imagine, Mr Campos was not only injured when he was fired upon as he [checked on] the door alarm down the hall... he was also extremely shaken up about what had happened to him,' Lombardo said.
'He was able to confirm to us exactly what he heard and saw in the moments before he was shot.'
He later added: 'In [the press's] zest for information, in my zest to insure the public safety, in the calming their minds, some things are going to change. They are minute changes... [what was said before was] not completely inaccurate.'
It's not clear which door Campos heard the alarm at, but previously Lombardo had said that SWAT teams approaching Paddock's room from the stairwell next to it had found the stairwell's door tampered with and sealed.
Lombardo also said on Monday that Campos heard Paddock drilling inside the room as he approached, possibly to install a camera or a gun.
That drill work was to the wall next to the doorway and not finished, the sheriff added.
When asked if he believed Paddock had stepped up the timeline and opened fire early because of the disruption, Lombardo declined to comment.
He also said that while he waited for police to arrive, Campos stopped a maintenance worker from entering the 32nd floor.
Also on Monday, Lombardo suggested that Paddock had planned to blow up nearby jet fuel tankers in the hopes of creating a distraction to escape.
Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964652/Las-Vegas-killer-timeline-chaos-new-revelations.html
I guess we can agree--"what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".
With all the "real time electronics" available (both video & audio) I can not fathom why a simple timeline got so fucked up this early in the game. This definitely is not a "fog of war" thing--but does question someone's level of competence (or incompetence--as the case may be).
If there are multiple shooters--then there will be "indisputable" forensic evidence of such; something more than cell phone videos.
With all the "real time electronics" available (both video & audio) I can not fathom why a simple timeline got so fucked up this early in the game. This definitely is not a "fog of war" thing--but does question someone's level of competence (or incompetence--as the case may be).
If there are multiple shooters--then there will be "indisputable" forensic evidence of such; something more than cell phone videos.
Yeah, it does look kinda suspicious.
I just saw some report about the massive insider stock trading of the MGM Resorts International less than a month before this tragedy by the CEO, Directors and officers of the company. Around 6.1 million shares worth $200 Million of stock changed hands.
There is suspicion that these guys may have had some sort of advanced knowledge of this attack, perhaps knowing that the company might have to fight hundreds of law cases in the coming months/years after the event.
Of course they have denied that they did have any advanced knowledge of the attack.
I wouldn't let the stock thing distract me. Stocks are at all time high and the spooks on Wall Street are preaching a huge correction is imminent.
If they really wanted to cash in "bigly"--then "shorting the stock"--or better yet, buying out of the money "puts" (stock options) would have yielded a mountain of money with little to zero exposure.
Insiders with restricted stock have "dribble rules" that limit the amount can be sold at any point in time--and are required to make SEC filings on their insider stock transactions (I know, been there, done that).
If they really wanted to cash in "bigly"--then "shorting the stock"--or better yet, buying out of the money "puts" (stock options) would have yielded a mountain of money with little to zero exposure.
Insiders with restricted stock have "dribble rules" that limit the amount can be sold at any point in time--and are required to make SEC filings on their insider stock transactions (I know, been there, done that).
St. Phatty
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I prefer to 'worry accurately' and with so many news events it is difficult to collect ALL the details about ALL the carnage.
However, I found the analysis by a military ER/trauma surgeon at Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' website to be unfortuntely interesting.
Although there are many many elements to the story, one of them is the injured. For example, videos of shooting victims recovering in the hospital. Happy videos, supposedly, of people that survived.
So the trauma surgeon reviews and ID's those videos, and says simply, they are not acting like any gunshot victims he has ever treated.
Then Youtube pulls the videos. But, there's little if any blood, they're about people being happy they survived. How is that a contravention of Youtube's Terms of Service ?
That leaves us with cold numbers. 58 victims dead, 500+ injured.
Many of the injured were trampled, not shot - but many of them were shot.
As the trauma surgeon says, in such situations, gunshot injuries tend to be life threatening, so the number of victims, in a statistical sample pool of hundreds, always increases (some of them die.)
I hate to say it but I am taking the official version of the LV incident with a grain of salt.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...n-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/
"Military Surgeon Says Videos of Las Vegas Gunshot Victims Are Fake"
Oh well. It's wake & bake time. Will try and focus on the day and not the LV incident.
However, I found the analysis by a military ER/trauma surgeon at Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' website to be unfortuntely interesting.
Although there are many many elements to the story, one of them is the injured. For example, videos of shooting victims recovering in the hospital. Happy videos, supposedly, of people that survived.
So the trauma surgeon reviews and ID's those videos, and says simply, they are not acting like any gunshot victims he has ever treated.
Then Youtube pulls the videos. But, there's little if any blood, they're about people being happy they survived. How is that a contravention of Youtube's Terms of Service ?
That leaves us with cold numbers. 58 victims dead, 500+ injured.
Many of the injured were trampled, not shot - but many of them were shot.
As the trauma surgeon says, in such situations, gunshot injuries tend to be life threatening, so the number of victims, in a statistical sample pool of hundreds, always increases (some of them die.)
I hate to say it but I am taking the official version of the LV incident with a grain of salt.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...n-says-videos-las-vegas-gunshot-victims-fake/
"Military Surgeon Says Videos of Las Vegas Gunshot Victims Are Fake"
Oh well. It's wake & bake time. Will try and focus on the day and not the LV incident.
G
Guest
Whats almost as scary is there are a few, thankfully very few, people like you walking among us. Pal you make everyone who fights to keep our second amendment rights look bad by association. Please stay out of the second amendment fight because all you do is make it harder for those of us who are mentally balanced and not teetering on the edge like you.
Too bad you were not there to get a 55gr headache.
I feel sorry for your ignorance. Then again I don't - you can't help it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6WSCi67Bko
Oh, by the way, show me a clip of somebody who DID get a 55gr headache. People LOVE gore. I'm SURE somebody has plenty of pics of the mayhem. Maybe YOU got some, STEWART169? Show them to us, please!!
Oh, I just couldn't resist since we're on the topic. This guy shot THREE time in the chest with an assault rifle. Not hooked up to any IV's or oxygen. The guy is smiling!! WAKE UP, stewart. Are you with me? Is ANYBODY listening? No, you're too busy looking at MSM, and don't have the common sense of doing your own research. I've realized that common sense ain't common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1ygkR3FPlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1ygkR3FPlc
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=29f_1507163812
very graphic video of vegas massacre.
viewer beware.
not phony. false flag doesn't imply fake.
have a modicum of respect for the deceased by NOT implying it was faked.
very graphic video of vegas massacre.
viewer beware.
not phony. false flag doesn't imply fake.
have a modicum of respect for the deceased by NOT implying it was faked.
W
Water-
Have you ever thought about the idea that maybe the real conspiracy is to make people feel unsure if these events are actually a conspiracy or not?
It's much easier to manipulate and control people when they are confused about what is real and what is not. Doubt underminds us and makes us weaker.
It's much easier to manipulate and control people when they are confused about what is real and what is not. Doubt underminds us and makes us weaker.
The FIRST thing the guy says in that clip is "I see NO entry wound, I see NO exit wound". Now remember, the alleged shooter is shooting from the hotel. Don't care if it's the 32nd floor or the 4th floor, you should be able to see a wound - somewhere. All you see in this clip is trash strewn everywhere and ONE guy with his eyes closed. With all that automatic weaponry firing away, you'd have bodies everywhere. 50 people killed and hundreds wounded? WHERE ARE THEY IN THAT CLIP? Is there ANY 'common sense' people lurking in this thread?
Oh, and by the way, that's the ONLY clip circulating that shows any type of "carnage". GN displayed that one to me days ago. Show me something different. I've put up multiple clips showing that this was a possible false flag. I could show more, but you naysayers need to do your own research. Stop bashing me and look into it for yourselves.
Oh, and by the way, that's the ONLY clip circulating that shows any type of "carnage". GN displayed that one to me days ago. Show me something different. I've put up multiple clips showing that this was a possible false flag. I could show more, but you naysayers need to do your own research. Stop bashing me and look into it for yourselves.
Hmmm...The plot thickens...
I have it on fairly good authority that people were killed and maimed at that country music fest in Vegas. Although if you were not there its hard to believe anything you see in the MSM these days.
Lets thrash it out in this thread without getting disrespectful to each other. No personal attacks and cussing will be tolerated.
Civil discourse is whats needed, and maybe then we might find the truth, to some degree. I have a distinct feeling that all is not what it seems about this whole escapade.
I have it on fairly good authority that people were killed and maimed at that country music fest in Vegas. Although if you were not there its hard to believe anything you see in the MSM these days.
Lets thrash it out in this thread without getting disrespectful to each other. No personal attacks and cussing will be tolerated.
Civil discourse is whats needed, and maybe then we might find the truth, to some degree. I have a distinct feeling that all is not what it seems about this whole escapade.
udontknowme
Member
Conspiraloons questioning peoples common sense 
priceless 
priceless 
The only false flag I see is the predicted use of this tragedy to upend the 2nd amendment.
Machine guns, bump stocks and silencers...oh my.
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Story... https://bigleaguepolitics.com/paul-...bump-stock-asks-will-congress-outlaw-fingers/
Machine guns, bump stocks and silencers...oh my.
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I KNOW I'm "stand alone" on this one, but it's all good. My momma told me long ago,she said ,"Boy, believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see." Do your research. No way in hell one middle-aged man-with no military experience - can orchestrate that type of carnage. Not to mention all the questions that's been raised about the validity of that whole event. Respect to the ones that THINK there's the possibility we could have had another false flag. To the rest of you, Santa Claus is coming to town. Believe that?
There is major weirdness abounding. . . I listened to a Youtube video that was mentioning a major witness ( re: the maker of supposed unusual cellphone charger found in in the room ) . . anyway I searched it in Bing as - - - FBI witness shotgun daughter
article from NewYorkDailyNews showed at the top with headline like " Top Witness in LAs Vegas Shooting Kills Self and Daughter 12 Hours After FBI Raid "
So I read it and copied, pasted it onto forum, just in wondering if anyone knew anything about it. . . and out of habit, after posting I clicked on the link to the article. . . right away a warning pops up saying something like " This is a fake website, site is not secure "
so I deleted the link I posted right away.
After going directly to New York DailyNews site I did find an article about the guy and daughter, but no mention of Las Vegas, FBI, or communications company. . . I did same search again and the article was not there. . . closed my browser and searched again, there it was at top. . . after looking at the webpage, there were several articles on it and all of them were of similar tone, lots of " 2 Shooters " and other non official narrative type stuff. . .
add on top of that ScrewTube's actively suppressing non mainstream narratives and this sure makes things interesting !
article from NewYorkDailyNews showed at the top with headline like " Top Witness in LAs Vegas Shooting Kills Self and Daughter 12 Hours After FBI Raid "
So I read it and copied, pasted it onto forum, just in wondering if anyone knew anything about it. . . and out of habit, after posting I clicked on the link to the article. . . right away a warning pops up saying something like " This is a fake website, site is not secure "
so I deleted the link I posted right away.
After going directly to New York DailyNews site I did find an article about the guy and daughter, but no mention of Las Vegas, FBI, or communications company. . . I did same search again and the article was not there. . . closed my browser and searched again, there it was at top. . . after looking at the webpage, there were several articles on it and all of them were of similar tone, lots of " 2 Shooters " and other non official narrative type stuff. . .
add on top of that ScrewTube's actively suppressing non mainstream narratives and this sure makes things interesting !
Vash, I can honestly say from my observations there are very strange elements about this. A lot of what I have seen does appeared staged, but then again there are other stories intermixed that makes me wonder.
It almost seems there is major psy op to get people to doubt the people that doubt the MSM and our officials.
Especially with the bit of testimony of the hooker that stated Paddock was always talking about nein elven, etc and government involvement
Also interesting to note about Hillerry's recent interview about 1984 and what it was really all about,
St. Phatty
Active member
Is it better to have just one thread about ongoing disasters ?
There's a lot of quality cannabis grown in Sonoma and Napa, and they are just getting hammered by fire.
There's a lot of quality cannabis grown in Sonoma and Napa, and they are just getting hammered by fire.
By all means start a thread on the current terrible fires in California St. Phatty. Its topical and many of our members, and ICMAG staff are caught up in it right now.
Back to the Vegas topic.
I have been contacted by an ICMAG member who had some personal friends caught up in the shooting, and here is a link to one of his friends testimony of what went on:
https://www.vcreporter.com/2017/10/...-local-survivor-of-route-91-harvest-festival/
*check it out and let me know what you think of this guys report of what went on in Vegas.
Back to the Vegas topic.
I have been contacted by an ICMAG member who had some personal friends caught up in the shooting, and here is a link to one of his friends testimony of what went on:
https://www.vcreporter.com/2017/10/...-local-survivor-of-route-91-harvest-festival/
*check it out and let me know what you think of this guys report of what went on in Vegas.
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