Landraces and Countries of Orgin

[zamalito]

Chamba I still have my copy of the ed rosenthal mj growers handbook was a great book at the time I think I got mine in 89 I still consider his descriptions to be the ideal for the landraces mention. I love the description for the congolese high as "bell ringing" that's what I look for to this day with african landrace.

 

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[Chamba]

Chamba I still have my copy of the ed rosenthal mj growers handbook was a great book at the time I think I got mine in 89 I still consider his descriptions to be the ideal for the landraces mention. I love the description for the congolese high as "bell ringing" that's what I look for to this day with african landrace.

lol..I haven't smoked a good bell ringer for ages!

for those who don't have a copy ..the full description reads "very strong, bell ringing, paralyzing" ..from the chapter "Choosing a variety" ...he describes ten landraces in detail...no hybrids!

 

[motaco]

well I don't worry about all that kinda stuff too much anymore. whats pure and what isn't. I don't doubt at all that some countries (in particular mexico) have gotten the indica bug and hurt their natives, but weed is a highly traveled plant. I originally started thinking about it wondering what the oldest of strains were. And I realized they are the same you can get now. Here in new orleans is one of the oldest weed smoking cities in the country. It would come in from mexico and the caribbean. jamaican ganja is native to indian species, which have been mixed since an unknown time. and the caribbean and mexico aren't that far , its sillly to think they wouldn't get ahold of at least some of one anothers genes. The world is a small place. I just think you might be fooling yourself if you think weed will make one definitive leaf pattern or particular stone without changing. from inbreeding if absolutely nothing else. I think all growers have gotten different breeds of different weed. If not then every grower in a confined area would have a similiar plant. and we all know they don't. whether your in oaxaca, montego bay, or nepal you could always find different strains in the same area.

anyway the point I'm trying to make is I think the word itself "sativa' as well as the term "landrace" is a bit of a misnomer because people think sativas make you race around and have energy but really less than half of them do that. in particular mexican and african sativas are very sedative.

as far as defining landrace and muddied strains, I think its a self defeating prophecy to look for "pure" or "native" strains. When it boils down to it its all the weed being antiquated to its region of origin and what that grower wanted when he smoked it.

I have a crappy cam but I'll take better pics later. the strains (IMHO) probably haven't changed too much. take this weed I just bought for instance. My mom tells me it reminds her of acapulco gold and it is a golden mexican sativa with some calyxs more than a 1/4 inch long and slim. straight outta mexico.


bad lighting mad it look kinda brown. I'll take better pics later. images I put up lowland oaxaca pure mexican sativa like from the 60's but I can't figure out how to make my thumbs larger.



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[Chamba]

I take the name from the location where it was collected

and that's why it should probably be called Cambodian brick weed not Lowland Koh Samuii

I just think you might be fooling yourself if you think weed will make one definitive leaf pattern or particular stone without changing. from inbreeding if absolutely nothing else. I think all growers have gotten different breeds of different weed. If not then every grower in a confined area would have a similiar plant. and we all know they don't. whether your in oaxaca, montego bay, or nepal you could always find different strains in the same area.

you are right..but only 30 years ago there were no hybrids for sale, the only seeds available for third world country growers and western gardeners were landrace sativas.....these were distinct landraces common to that area or country....and now many landraces that were common are now either lost forever or are muddied, cross bred and watered down with quicker, fatter and heavier hybrids or so rare that they might as well be gone......

sure, if you go to an area in Thailand or Mexico you will find bud from different strains in one area (due to introduced genes..for eg Thais, from the few samples I've tried, now seem be to be slightly haze-ed.....)..but back before big commercial production and massive air travel, you'd probably only find the one landrace as dominant in that area

 

[motaco]

I have to be honest I don't know much about the situation in thailand and smoking the average thai brick I'm sure is shitty, but I hear the same kind of talk of mexican. And there is some truth to it. some mexi bagseed is tainted with what appear to be kush and other late 80s strains that were hashplants not meant for mexico, but if you see enough mexican export there are still plenty pure mexi's floatin around.

I'm not computer savvy at all and I just figured out how to get images on the web today, next step is figuring out how to make the images larger. and you can see the quality of that mexican when I figure out how.

getting down to brass tacks, I'm saying if the thai situation is anything like the mexi situation than yes, there is contamination, and 90% of the bud is shit. But at least in mexicos situation most of the problem isn't contaminated genes, or bad genes, its just degredation. wild sativa weed harvested a month too early, bricked and stored in 100 degree weather is shit, but not the strains fault.

I used to grow schwag mexi beans and find lots of what appear to be pure mexi's and a variety of different strains. Most of which appeared to be natives.

They don't sell them but when one tries hard enough you can find them.

there is highland oaxaca gold- aka mexico city sativa, acapulco gold is still around, Lima Limon which is probably a descendant of guerran, lowland oaxaca, and a variety of others.

I have seeds of highland oaxaca gold, lowland oaxaca, and another oaxaca. I would like ac. gold and lima limon but can't find them yet. can't grow right now anyway so its no rush.

and the same deal. if you lived in thailand and saw enough of it you'd probably find some good classic thais every now and then too.

 

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[Chamba]

I've been living there for years and I can ensure you it's not a Laotian, nor a Cambodian, nor a Burmese strain, it's certainly a Thaï

sounds good...but are the seeds bagseed or seeds bred by an experienced grower who selected tested females & proven males who gave you the seeds?

If the seeds are from a guy who has been living and smoking there for 20 years and they come recommended, then you should be laughing!

here's a hint .....if you want to grow 2 ~ 4 Thai girls, then make sure to plant 15 ~ 20 seeds, you should get 16/20 germinated, 3 or 5 males, more often than not up to 70% can be hermie and you'll be able to harvest 3 or 4 Thai girls seedlessly....

it will interesting to see if you get any plants with asymetrical growth patterns show up.

 

[Chamba]

Because I asked him you know, )

what did you ask him?

has he grown these? get any gardening hints?

and I even started a thread at OG that was called Cambodian sativa to gather informations

I used to be a mentor on OG for many years and I used to pop up in most sativa threads!.....it was sad to see that great site stop dead.....hopefully,one day the site will be back up (maybe with a better search engine !) and all that great info will be free for all to read again

 

[KingRalph]

rahan, nice pics... save them, then upload them here and put them in your post... and get rid of those links to that site... it can give away sensitive information... trust me an do that

 

[bythetracks]

i've read that drug cannabis was introduced to columbia from panama around 1900 and that it was centered around Baranquillo initially.

if Santa Marta was known in the US in the 1970's as "columbian gold," Cuache was the "columbian black/wacky weed" and Punto Rojo was "columbian red," what was Corinto Monster known as? what was standard commercial columbian? what were the "rainbow buds" and the "amazonas." what was "chiba," was that ever a specific strain?

 

[zamalito]

I may be incorrect but I was told Corinto monster was a non commercial columbian. As far as the othe things it really depends on when and where they were bought.

 

[motaco]

you see alot of people think this doesn't exist anymore

I could be wrong but I think this is a classic gold mexican sativa. 1/4 inch long slim calyxs, classic mexican stone, unique old world smell and taste. good unferted sinsimilla. My mom used to smoke acapulco gold and she says its like a bag of kind from her day. I don't imagine it being too different. and it was sold just being a normal bag of mexican.

SMOKE REPORT: Burns relatively soft. Mexican strains tend to have a problem with hot smoke, but this one isn't bad. white ash. Buds break up and smell dry and pungent. Like mixed seasonings, very complex and hard to describe. peppery and herbal, but pungently sweet at the same time. The stone is classic, it hits the head hard. Your eyes feel wide open but heavy at the same time. Trippy and optically pleasing the first several hits make you feel floaty, and in the distance objects look odd. Like the way view finders (those kids toys with the photos and you hold it up to light, and pull the lever to see a new one) make the image your looking at kinda trippy and 3D. In larger doses its a very debilitating drunken stone, and balance gets tricky. Mexicans are some of my favorites for versatile, trippy but powerful drunken stones.

 

[bythetracks]

you see alot of people think this doesn't exist anymore

I could be wrong but I think this is a classic gold mexican sativa. 1/4 inch long slim calyxs, classic mexican stone, unique old world smell and taste. good unferted sinsimilla. My mom used to smoke acapulco gold and she says its like a bag of kind from her day. I don't imagine it being too different. and it was sold just being a normal bag of mexican.

SMOKE REPORT: Burns relatively soft. Mexican strains tend to have a problem with hot smoke, but this one isn't bad. white ash. Buds break up and smell dry and pungent. Like mixed seasonings, very complex and hard to describe. peppery and herbal, but pungently sweet at the same time. The stone is classic, it hits the head hard. Your eyes feel wide open but heavy at the same time. Trippy and optically pleasing the first several hits make you feel floaty, and in the distance objects look odd. Like the way view finders (those kids toys with the photos and you hold it up to light, and pull the lever to see a new one) make the image your looking at kinda trippy and 3D. In larger doses its a very debilitating drunken stone, and balance gets tricky. Mexicans are some of my favorites for versatile, trippy but powerful drunken stones.

damn, that looks nice. i haven't seen anything like that here in the NE. sure beats the shit out of indoor commercial canadian indica crap for $20 a gram. god that shit sucks. good description of the mexican smell and high too.

 

[Reign of Terror]

Fucking A, Rahan is gone. He is very knowledgable, anything involved with landraces on OG, he knew the answers to. Comes here for a day and is gone . My goodness, my goodness.

 

[chizzleonetime]

fkn damn why the fuck he go?? was enjoying this!!

 

[motaco]

yeah thats why I bought it its a bill for a half 0 but by the time you pull the leaves off it comes out to a little cheaper than kind. but like you said when the other option is beaster, I'll take mexi ANYDAY. matter of fact I'd take this mexi to alot of strains I know the name of. part of the advantage of being in a southern port city. it degrades and the good stuff gets smoked up by the time it hits yankees. the opposite is true for beasters from canada by the time it hits us.


Rahan left? that sucks. I guess he got mad. He'll probably be back. or on a different handle or website or something. it amazes me he can grow sativas so well with so little light.

 

[motaco]

so nobody got anymore landraces or what?

 

[Blackstone]

I know this thread is a month old but here's a website I found with lots of information about genetics specific to different countries. Very informative read.

http://www.marijuanagenetics.com/othergenetics.html

 

[Guest]

I'm still curious as to how what defines a landrace strain. if the benchmark is 50 years we will be approaching that for many strains but my very limited understand is that a landrace would be a strain that grows without cultivation by man otherwise i'm really not sure of the distinction between landraces and ibls. I'm not sure how many areas weed was native to and how many were places where herb (or hemp) was introduced.

I hope Rahan is doing ok, he was always very knowledgable and helpful when it came to sativas. Good vibes to him wherever he be