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Landraces and Countries of Orgin
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chizzleonetime
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here's 1 thats missing i really enjoyed when i had it dying to get some beans for this
st vincent 'vincey'
st vincent 'vincey'
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chizzleonetime said:
I got lucky and got ahold of some beans from the Vincey strain straight from St.Vincent in the Caribbean. Also a St.Ann Jamaican Sativa and a Barbados Sativa. I can't wait to grow them out. All three are my prized possesions. I hoping to do some breeding work with them one day. I plan on growing the Jamaican this fall.
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I definetly want that Hawaiian Sativa.
Rahan said:Hello good brothers
It's an interesting thread, for sure
I recently built with some friends a place where people work together to share the knowledge on landraces. We also try to preserve some rare genes, without any money associated.
SE Asia
Thaï lowland Koh Samui
Thaï lowland Koh Samui II
Philippines Kalinga
Continental Thaï
Thaï highland Chiang Maï
Philippines Sagada
Chinese Sichuan
Cambodian
Rahan:
It's interesting that you mention the Philippines,as I (and the wife) will likely be moving there at the end of the year.While there last year,my brother-in-law mentioned that he has a friend that maintains a stock of seed that is indigenous to the area,and although they do not smoke it (or so they say) they do use mj for a variety of ailments.He actually had a plant in the yard that was maturing,and that it was a male seemed to indicate to me that perhaps he was speaking the truth.
Anyway,good post.and I appreciate the mention of the PI that you and R.O.T have mentioned.
On edit:My apologies for screwing up the quote...you'd think that I would have that figured out by now.....
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Rahan you list Zamal Matafe and Zamal St Anne as landraces , can you tell whats makes them different?
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These look identical to the second zamal line I've grown, long and thin with three fingered leaves and a very dominant middle leaflet. They're beautiful. The pepper smell doesn't ring a bell although the pepper scented flowers I've smoked have always been quite potent with very pure resin.
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Is the papua new guinea gold in the form of 303 or is it straight from png? As far as the federation hawaiian I haven't worked with it but the celestial temple which is supposed to be a more extreme sativa than their hawaiian. When they first intoduced the cts it was 12 weeks and slightly different than their current 10 week. I've worked with the older 12 week version and the leaves are noticeably wider. Its a beautiful strain however it seems suspect on its indica sativa ratio. However that doesn't mean that the afghan genes weren't introduced to the genepool in its region of origin a few decades ago but there's no reason to think they were either other than the fact that its quite stable.
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chizzleonetime
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rahan, yes it will probably be the same strain i smoked it while i was in barbados and it was one of the only strains i smoked there that where crystally and had visible hairs i really enjoyed this weed am gonna have 2 find a way of contacting my cousin in barbados to send us some seeds cos the rest of the family are very strict orthodox basian christians so its gonna be hard!!
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aggghhh.......... the "muddied" world of strains
"landraces = the wild strains ; more or less ancient, sometimes still cultivated in their original area."
I think most would agree with that definition.....emphasis on ancient
..but I'm not sure about what to call varieties from areas where cannabis from introduced genes has been grown for less than 20 or 30 years, often mixed in with the local landrace so it is changed and is unique.....are these still a landrace or just aclimatized varieties grown from seeds from other landraces for commercial production?.....I doubt if they should be regarded as the former......perhaps they should be called "local varieties" and the "landrace" should be reserved for the true meaning of the word and not bandied around and attached to any haze/Moroccan hybrid that has been grown locally for 15 ~ 25 years....but it gets blurry....Can Fijian or Papuan ganja to be regarded as true landrace when they are most likely 100% intro-ed genes from India and Sth East Asia in the 70's, 80's and 90's?...these varieties have developed over the decades to be unique, but are they a landrace? perhaps they will be in another 20 or 30 years?
btw I've never heard of lowland Koh Samuii Thai 1 or 2 ..lol..did they score a bag of dusty dry Thai Cambodian from the Reggae Pub in Chaweng and then decided to name this as a landrace with Koh Samuii as the source? seriously though, where do you get these names?.. lol ....
Thai genes are one of the most phucked of landraces..ever since big commerical production hit Thailand in the 70's and 80's, introed genes have changed everything..it went from AAA trippy Thai stick to DDD grade dull zonky brick weed...almost any "Thai" genes sourced from bag seed from the early 80's onwards will be a mix of Thai and introduced bigger yielding, faster finishing genes and the resulting plants you grow from those seeds will mostly and likely be sub-par to real Thai..but there are few good ones in amongst the many......
I think if you are going to mention a "landrace" then it would be best to describe it in detail..leaf shape & serrations, growth pattern, size etc
Ed Rosenthal described the common landracs in an early grow book of his " Marijuana Grower's Handbook (early 80's)....he describes the most common variety of the country or area
and let's thanks those big money/big production/big export assholes from the disco era for phucking up Thai genes with their crappy introed genetics ..... same thing happened in Mexico and many other places...
those Zamals in the photos have a bad case of mites..but look fairly typical of the ones I've grown .....if those mites aren't attended to soon then the plant and the buds will suffer.
"landraces = the wild strains ; more or less ancient, sometimes still cultivated in their original area."
I think most would agree with that definition.....emphasis on ancient
..but I'm not sure about what to call varieties from areas where cannabis from introduced genes has been grown for less than 20 or 30 years, often mixed in with the local landrace so it is changed and is unique.....are these still a landrace or just aclimatized varieties grown from seeds from other landraces for commercial production?.....I doubt if they should be regarded as the former......perhaps they should be called "local varieties" and the "landrace" should be reserved for the true meaning of the word and not bandied around and attached to any haze/Moroccan hybrid that has been grown locally for 15 ~ 25 years....but it gets blurry....Can Fijian or Papuan ganja to be regarded as true landrace when they are most likely 100% intro-ed genes from India and Sth East Asia in the 70's, 80's and 90's?...these varieties have developed over the decades to be unique, but are they a landrace? perhaps they will be in another 20 or 30 years?
btw I've never heard of lowland Koh Samuii Thai 1 or 2 ..lol..did they score a bag of dusty dry Thai Cambodian from the Reggae Pub in Chaweng and then decided to name this as a landrace with Koh Samuii as the source? seriously though, where do you get these names?.. lol ....
Thai genes are one of the most phucked of landraces..ever since big commerical production hit Thailand in the 70's and 80's, introed genes have changed everything..it went from AAA trippy Thai stick to DDD grade dull zonky brick weed...almost any "Thai" genes sourced from bag seed from the early 80's onwards will be a mix of Thai and introduced bigger yielding, faster finishing genes and the resulting plants you grow from those seeds will mostly and likely be sub-par to real Thai..but there are few good ones in amongst the many......
I think if you are going to mention a "landrace" then it would be best to describe it in detail..leaf shape & serrations, growth pattern, size etc
Ed Rosenthal described the common landracs in an early grow book of his " Marijuana Grower's Handbook (early 80's)....he describes the most common variety of the country or area
and let's thanks those big money/big production/big export assholes from the disco era for phucking up Thai genes with their crappy introed genetics ..... same thing happened in Mexico and many other places...
those Zamals in the photos have a bad case of mites..but look fairly typical of the ones I've grown .....if those mites aren't attended to soon then the plant and the buds will suffer.
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Deep Chunk ............lol
Yeah I agree with the thais. I've been trying to say this for a while. I almost consider the true old thais separate from indica and sativa. They produced indeterminate flowers which after 16 weeks only half the calyxes in the bud were mature had a distinct leaf shape I've never seen again to this day with 11 plus leaflets per leaf and calyxes up to a half inch long and not a huge resin content and never grew that tall compared to the modern thais. I don't knwo where these tight budded 12 week resinous wide leafed things come from. Though they are good they just aren't thai. I think the highland thais are an even bigger scam. The only way these could be sweet and wide leafed is with indica contamination from burma or northern india.
I am curious about the meao thais since the meao tribe have been growing cannabis for a very long time but these are still somewhat different from a true thai they may still be a landrace nonetheless. The true meao thais are supposed to be high in propyl cannabinoids (ex.thcv) some of which have never been found elsewhere.
I am curious about the meao thais since the meao tribe have been growing cannabis for a very long time but these are still somewhat different from a true thai they may still be a landrace nonetheless. The true meao thais are supposed to be high in propyl cannabinoids (ex.thcv) some of which have never been found elsewhere.
To me the very definition of landrace implies geographical population separation and a strong geographical influence over selection. Some environments helped certain indigenous groups with less than ideal breeding practices to produce some amazing varieties. Like you said chamba many of the varieties called landrace were invented in the 70's and 80's and frequently included afghan genetics and nearby ladnrace genetics.
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Hello,
Interesting thread. Read many colombian strains, but to tell you the truth some of them i have never heard of. In Colombia the species vary from region to region, but basically it´s the same strain- deffenetly some kind of sativa - all except Santa Marta Gold (which is an Afghani brought in in the early 70´s by MJ drug lords and planted in the Guajira and Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta zones).
The other known types are:
Corinto Monster: To me it looks like a 70% sativa 30% indica plant. It is huge and very bushy. It can produce several pounds of excellent herb. Grown in the neighbouring areas of Cali.
Cauche (Wacky Weed, Colombian Black, Colombian Chocolate, etc, etc, etc): This is grown in the western plains of colombia. Very tall plants (6 + meters). Very good high but not very beautiful bud.
Punto Rojo: Queen sativa plant. Bleeds red dots (that´s exactly what Punto Rojo means). The leaves are yellowish making a beautiful contrast with the red amber crystals.
All the rest are new names given to old players.
I belive some of the MJ in Colombia is a sativa brought to the americas by slaves taken from Africa.
There are many psicho-cultural aspect that define MJ species. This is just one example of it.
Best regards,
Aldous
Interesting thread. Read many colombian strains, but to tell you the truth some of them i have never heard of. In Colombia the species vary from region to region, but basically it´s the same strain- deffenetly some kind of sativa - all except Santa Marta Gold (which is an Afghani brought in in the early 70´s by MJ drug lords and planted in the Guajira and Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta zones).
The other known types are:
Corinto Monster: To me it looks like a 70% sativa 30% indica plant. It is huge and very bushy. It can produce several pounds of excellent herb. Grown in the neighbouring areas of Cali.
Cauche (Wacky Weed, Colombian Black, Colombian Chocolate, etc, etc, etc): This is grown in the western plains of colombia. Very tall plants (6 + meters). Very good high but not very beautiful bud.
Punto Rojo: Queen sativa plant. Bleeds red dots (that´s exactly what Punto Rojo means). The leaves are yellowish making a beautiful contrast with the red amber crystals.
All the rest are new names given to old players.
I belive some of the MJ in Colombia is a sativa brought to the americas by slaves taken from Africa.
There are many psicho-cultural aspect that define MJ species. This is just one example of it.
Best regards,
Aldous
