Diary Killing it with Urban Legends Cookies, Mandarine & Sour Cheese (auto) under MH FC3000
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Thank you! Ofc, no point in hiding the bad parts. Most of them spots are remaining from the Ca defs that I consider to be solved, already, anyway. I made some mistakes when mixing the nutes and precipitated the Ca for weeks before figuring it out last week and doing something about it. If someone would look closely you would see how the left-front one was the most effected by it (first to be watered), while back-right was the least since it received all that Ca precipitate (last to be watered). That plant was also the one to put on resin more than a week before of the others, as well. So, feeding Calcium and doing it the proper way is very important! Another lesson I had to learn the hard way. Well, at least I'm learning!
Super info. How much of the 500 ppm is cal-mag? Do you need to use pH up or down for your pH? I hope you don't mind me asking?
Hello Creeperpark
Including the water hardness, I got close to 150 ppm cal mag in there, about 50 ppm is PK and ~300 ppm for the others. I use ph down.
Including the water hardness, I got close to 150 ppm cal mag in there, about 50 ppm is PK and ~300 ppm for the others. I use ph down.
21-23C would be okay for these babies?
With proper VPD, anything 20 to 26 C is perfect or near perfect. Even more is good if ading CO2. But most of the flowering they were at 22 to 25 C, with less than that only when I opened the tent door.
Btw, light was at 60% while recovering, now they look a bit better so I gone 75% again.
There is one of the Auto Killer Mandarines that a big stretch/growth period now (a bit later than the others), and lacks Mg really much. Its the back-middle one, and can be observed in earlier pics as well. I will apply some epsom salt spray and feed to it today, to try and fix it faster. That shows me once again that they need Ca and Mg the most in early flower, during stretch. It's basically when my defs first appeard on the others as well, at the start of stretch. This one plant has almost doubled in size during the last 2 weeks and probably depleted all its Mg reserves.
Btw, light was at 60% while recovering, now they look a bit better so I gone 75% again.
There is one of the Auto Killer Mandarines that a big stretch/growth period now (a bit later than the others), and lacks Mg really much. Its the back-middle one, and can be observed in earlier pics as well. I will apply some epsom salt spray and feed to it today, to try and fix it faster. That shows me once again that they need Ca and Mg the most in early flower, during stretch. It's basically when my defs first appeard on the others as well, at the start of stretch. This one plant has almost doubled in size during the last 2 weeks and probably depleted all its Mg reserves.
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I just watered the plants.
PH6.2 in @ 500 ppm, flower nutes, cal mag, extra PK, extra Mg
PH 6.5 out @ 600 ppm.
Now, picture dump: (again, totally random angles and buds shown)
And enviromental data:
The first line is live data, with tent open and the cold air that rushed it raised the humidity a bit (and lowered the VPD).
But as you can see on the line 3, the 12 hours average is perfect, and higher VPD, and lower RH than before, since I changed the settings that way to limit mold risk for late flowering a few days ago.
Forgot to say we are around day 53 from seed.
See you guys and gals soon!
PH6.2 in @ 500 ppm, flower nutes, cal mag, extra PK, extra Mg
PH 6.5 out @ 600 ppm.
Now, picture dump: (again, totally random angles and buds shown)
And enviromental data:
The first line is live data, with tent open and the cold air that rushed it raised the humidity a bit (and lowered the VPD).
But as you can see on the line 3, the 12 hours average is perfect, and higher VPD, and lower RH than before, since I changed the settings that way to limit mold risk for late flowering a few days ago.
Forgot to say we are around day 53 from seed.
See you guys and gals soon!
aliceklar
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Looking great
How much longer to go, do you think?Re the ppm in vs ppm out, how come the ppm out is higher than the ppm in? I thought that the plants took stuff out, and that the run-off ppm should be lower than the input? have you reduced your feed concentration recently, so what came out included flushed nutes from a previous feed? Or is the medium itself contributing?
Hello aliceklar , thank you for checking my thread and joining on the discussion.
Should be 70 to 80 days total IMO. May be faster because of the small pots, tho.
Reason for the bigger ppm out is the same reason that almost fked my grow, the "soiless" mix that in fact is probably more than 50 % compost. They consider it soiless because of no peat. But very rich in organic matter, and I didn't managed to leak everything from it yet. Also, my feedings from when the PH was bad just upped the soil ppm even more, so just now I managed to get it low enaugh so they can thrive. But they eating for sure, they were at 1500+ ppm when i started measuring and dropped about 100 ppm per watering most waterings. Now actually I should up the feed, but I think I will stay at about 500-550 ppm for 1 week or 2, then feed them much diluted feeds, mostly PK till near the end. For sure with a better start and a real soiless mix they could have been pushed further regarding feed strenght and yeld, but for some recovering plants I am happy with the results. Also I never was a grower that would shove lots of feed into the plants when there is no need, so I will tend to stay on the low side most of the times. I am sure they can take a few hundred ppms more on the feed, but I want it simple this round, as I had enaugh lessons to learn already from this grow, so I won't push them more. Next grow, tho, I will apply what I learned from the start. Should be better. This also shows how powerful the FC3000 light is, if at 60-75% I used it till now, some plants that were mistreated and deficient are that resinous, @ less than 2 months since planting the seeds. If they don't get better soon I might not even reach 100% on the dial this grow. Will watch them for a few more days then decide if I will go 80-85% on the dimmer or just leave it at 75%. I am not sure they might use more power right now. At least not in an efficient way that translates to bigger yeld to justify extra watts used. We may have to wait for next grow to see what the light can do at 100%. My feeling is also that the powerful light pushes them a lot, so if the environment and soil/soiless mix and feed is not on point, it's much easier to see defs than under less light intensity. I am not blaming the light, but for sure it helped to highlight my ph and def problems even more.
Should be 70 to 80 days total IMO. May be faster because of the small pots, tho.
Reason for the bigger ppm out is the same reason that almost fked my grow, the "soiless" mix that in fact is probably more than 50 % compost. They consider it soiless because of no peat. But very rich in organic matter, and I didn't managed to leak everything from it yet. Also, my feedings from when the PH was bad just upped the soil ppm even more, so just now I managed to get it low enaugh so they can thrive. But they eating for sure, they were at 1500+ ppm when i started measuring and dropped about 100 ppm per watering most waterings. Now actually I should up the feed, but I think I will stay at about 500-550 ppm for 1 week or 2, then feed them much diluted feeds, mostly PK till near the end. For sure with a better start and a real soiless mix they could have been pushed further regarding feed strenght and yeld, but for some recovering plants I am happy with the results. Also I never was a grower that would shove lots of feed into the plants when there is no need, so I will tend to stay on the low side most of the times. I am sure they can take a few hundred ppms more on the feed, but I want it simple this round, as I had enaugh lessons to learn already from this grow, so I won't push them more. Next grow, tho, I will apply what I learned from the start. Should be better. This also shows how powerful the FC3000 light is, if at 60-75% I used it till now, some plants that were mistreated and deficient are that resinous, @ less than 2 months since planting the seeds. If they don't get better soon I might not even reach 100% on the dial this grow. Will watch them for a few more days then decide if I will go 80-85% on the dimmer or just leave it at 75%. I am not sure they might use more power right now. At least not in an efficient way that translates to bigger yeld to justify extra watts used. We may have to wait for next grow to see what the light can do at 100%. My feeling is also that the powerful light pushes them a lot, so if the environment and soil/soiless mix and feed is not on point, it's much easier to see defs than under less light intensity. I am not blaming the light, but for sure it helped to highlight my ph and def problems even more.
A lot of buds popped out. 
gizmo666
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Thank you bro! I think you gonna be even more jealous when I finally manage to keep them fed for a whole grow!
Somehow I think you got this...
Plants are looking excellent
They were almost dry enaugh to water, but not enaugh moisture in the soil to last till tommorow. So I did another watering today:
-PH 6.3 in @ 550 ppm (flower nutes base, calmag, extra PK, extra Mg)
-PH 6.5 out @ 660 ppm
The way I am seeing things, we got to that part where they eat what I put in from one watering to another. Last watering ppm in was 500, out 600, now in 550, out 660. Both just about 100 ppm higher than input. So I will keep on my decission to feed about 500-550 ppm for the next 1-2 weeks, and then we see how much and how fast I will lower the feed, based on how plants will look by then.
More pics will come in a day or two, nothing much has changed, but the sweet frutty smell already fills my garage when I open the tent door. A much welcomed change from the almost putrid smells they were putting out just weeks ago. The smell change and it's sweetness tells me bud and resin development is going well. They may even be ahead of schedule. Some of them, at least. The one that received all the Ca precipitate when the others were starved of it certainly is at least a week ahead, if not 2. Live and learn.. I guess! Thank you again for checking my thread!
-PH 6.3 in @ 550 ppm (flower nutes base, calmag, extra PK, extra Mg)
-PH 6.5 out @ 660 ppm
The way I am seeing things, we got to that part where they eat what I put in from one watering to another. Last watering ppm in was 500, out 600, now in 550, out 660. Both just about 100 ppm higher than input. So I will keep on my decission to feed about 500-550 ppm for the next 1-2 weeks, and then we see how much and how fast I will lower the feed, based on how plants will look by then.
More pics will come in a day or two, nothing much has changed, but the sweet frutty smell already fills my garage when I open the tent door. A much welcomed change from the almost putrid smells they were putting out just weeks ago. The smell change and it's sweetness tells me bud and resin development is going well. They may even be ahead of schedule. Some of them, at least. The one that received all the Ca precipitate when the others were starved of it certainly is at least a week ahead, if not 2. Live and learn.. I guess! Thank you again for checking my thread!
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