Kiffing....is it ethical?

[minds_I]

Hello all,

My son was by today with some bud he scored...it was very tight buds butt not crystals untill you broke it up.

Anyway, I was showing him my lastest harvest of Sskunk x NL#5 and he was looking at the bud saying its all fluffy. I said squeeze it and as he did the fluffy outer layer crumbled and he felt the hard nug at the interior of the bud.

Ok, so, he says I leave to much leaf on my buds and they don't have the bag appeal.

When I trim, I feel cutting away the small bud leaves that are covered in trich is just wrong to shave them. Granted the tips must go but my buds have great flavor and smoke very well (grown with bat,chicken and worm shit and love).

So anyway, back to my original questin...is it ethical to kiff buds prior to sale?


Talk amoungst yourselves......

minds_I

 

[Pops]

Only if you are a crook! I trim very tight for my med patients and give the trim to a gal who makes edibles. I would never kiff my buds.

 

[zamalito]

Personally if I don't respect someone enough to give them a good deal on herb and not kif it before sale than I wouldn't trust them to buy herb from me anyways.

 

[Tokasaurus Rex]

As long as Marijuana remains the biggest cash crop and human nature stays the same as its always been this will always be a problem. How can the respect for the sacred plant and its consumers be there when there's so much money to be made? In my experience when commerce and morality conflict, commerce always wins hands down.

Personally I don't think its ethical, but hey, it takes all kinds eh?

 

[Gangabiss]

I think people who pre-keiff their buds should be shot in the kneecaps.

You can usually tell if there are little bits of stalk poking through the buds and they have that mottled appearance...all rough and crumbly on the outside and not in the shape of homegrown buds if you know what I mean?

 

[Chamba]

a lot of commercial bud has been through at least 4 or 5 hands (if you are only buying under an ounce at a time) by the time it gets smoked.

& until then it gets squashed, plastic bagged, mauled, sorted, dropped, packed, sat on, smudged, more plastic bags..by the time your son buys a quarter of that type of cash crop stuff, it is no wonder the outside of the bud is devoid of trichomes

...or maybe it has been kiffed?...

I leave my resin encrusted leaves on when I manicure too (tight manicures are dumb for personal use. I trim the sugar leaves off the bud over my stash box screen)...a fellow grower got me onto that when he explained that the outer leaves protect the trichomes, he doesnt trim at all, apart from the big fans...this is not viable for appearance, but his buds are are for personal use and are always resiny....I leave a lot more leaf on my buds now, esp since one of the strains I grow is a Cinderella cross that is very resiny, but leafy as well unfortunately (if you give this bud a really close, tight trim, there's barely nothing left! lol)

once the bud has cured I sometimes then re-manicure all the crystal leaves off and smoke just the bud leaves, then later I burn the center of the bud.

ethical to kiff?....of course not, providing you tell them in advance..otherwise you are a scumbag ...anyone could of sold 20 ounces of unkiffed high priced bud faster than 10 ounces of de-kiffed bud that will lose you customers in the long run...in your customer's mind, you are only as good as the last ounce they bought...

also if you kiff buds before selling them, it's like saying that you are not good enough to make it without being a scumbag...the profitable dealing is all about creating fast turnover while selling at the highest price with the best service (while keeping safe)...

and it's too hard to get a decent price with stuff that is not as good what is available...it's a competitive market out there...so I reckon there's less kiffing going on and it's more about poor handling and packing!. (all the more reason to grow your own and treat your bud preciously!)

The best way to make money by selling herb is to sell nothing but excellent quality ounces to a small number of musicians and professional people. Those people and others with money are the best to sell to, as they'll pay top dollar for quality bud provided with excellent service.

always give full weight ounces and keep to selling only ounces as it's affordable, any lower weight will only encourage more frequent less profitable visits, keep it simple..ounces are relatively safe and encourages them to "network"...always buy the best available regardless of price, quality always moves fast..you'll never lose money on quality herb...

 

[page1]

for a while in the uk people would kiff their buds, then get sandy/glass that looks like trichomes and somehow get them to stick to the bud and it would weigh the bud down + they get the trichomes...

what a sick world we live in...

 

[Guest]

Interesting topic minds_I.
It sounds like your son had some chuncky Indica(rock hard,velvet covering,no visible trichomes until broke open). Comparing to your personal grow, what sounds to be more Sativa from your description (fluffly outter,hard/solid inner bud) would be somewhat hard to compare. IMO they look totally different and both have they're own bag appeal.
Im with you on the shave, I like a tight shave but will leave some of the small crystally leaves as well for a nice appearance.
In regards to is kiefing ethical, no. We are talking kiefing as in knocking the trichomes off the bud, right? I guess if you were kiefing for yourself and say gifting the kiefed remains that might be ok. Most people I know expect to get bud with trichomes visibly on it.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

Thiefs......I am so glad I don't buy herb anymore. Now that I am smoking my own, I realize the crappy product I put up with for years.

I leave my "sugar leaf" on too.

 

[LenTleepner]

Kiefing bud prior to sale ranks up there with crop-stealing.

 

[Guest]

Well we once scored some bud that had been vaporized. After vaping my first buds I figured why it tasted and looked so different, brown and tasted like vaporization.

E: My 420th post and no smoke to celebrate it like I thought I will, damn.

 

[Gunter]

what does to kiff the buds mean?
shake the trichomes off or what?

Every dealer does that and they put other stuff like hairspray or sand or talcum powder on it.
assholes.

I would either press the buds lightly in the bag so the little leaves full of resin stick to the buds.
That looks better and they protect the buds a little this way.
Or cut the little leaves off and make hash from them after I collected enough of them.

 

[OneWingedImp]

lol. How much better is it to not kief it, then sell an extra 10 ounces cus they like your DANK HERB, and use that profit to by yourself an ounce that you can grind up and keif for a couple grams of hash, without ripping anyone off..

 

[mtnjohn]

peeps that do that....they dont care about whether its wrong...
they are in it for da $$$$$

glad i dont buy weed anymore....freakin crooks

mj

 

[Haps]

Not ethical to kiff flowers before marketing.
H

 

[sugabear_II]

I agree with the poster who pointed out that commercial stuff often times has the trich's knocked off the outside by being bagged/compressed etc. I also think this is the reason that commercial is always "rock hard" as compared to what you can grow at home. Very few plants grow rock hard buds.

So I wonder if you knew that the buds would end up loosing their outer trichs in the packing and distributing process then would kiffing really be unethical - I mean otherwise all those trich's end up on the inside of bags, right?

on the other topic...

I waver back and forth between trimming all the tiny little bud leaves and making them into hash at the time of jarring and leaving them on to smoke later. Lately I have been taking the sugar leaves and dry seiving them and then using them for tincture. Either way nothing gets lost. Glass jars keep my buds from having the exposed trich's knocked off when I trim the tiny bud leaves.

it also depends on strain - some strains there isn't much left if you trim all the leafage as someone said.

 

[Farmer John]

Well we once scored some bud that had been vaporized. After vaping my first buds I figured why it tasted and looked so different, brown and tasted like vaporization.

E: My 420th post and no smoke to celebrate it like I thought I will, damn.

Damn bro didnt know youre that silly good for you, a valuable lesson.

 

[Guest]

"people do business the right way, dont be no fuckups like this." - scarface

 

[Jack Crevalle]

You stated that your son bought rock hard bud at street price which appeared to have little trichome coverage on the outside, but much on the inside.You also said how he criticized your manicuring and that he pointed out the loss of bag appeal. To that you insinuated that your bud is better than his his because his was kiefed.

I don't get what kiefing has to do with this? I happen to agree with him about selling 3.5 grams for street prices, it must be manicured very nicely and that means leaving only 10 -20 % leaf on there. From your description, you like to leave alot more leaf than usual, which is fine if it's a gift or cheaper, because after all, bud is more expensive than platinum and gold and leaf just doesn't cut it. I agree that the extra leaf would act as a shield and protect those fine trichs from being rubbed off in the ziploc like your son's probably was especially after alot of handling. It would make an ideal gift and for yourself it's great as all the inner buds are perfectly protected and you get some leaf to cook with, but anybody would think twice about paying top dollar for poorly manicured bud, even if it is great.
I've had this happen once before myself. I was gifting a friend some bud I had harvested, and a friend of his I didn't know grabbed a nug and started with his blabber "My dealer would never let this shit slide, all this leaf blablabalab.."
So I turned to him and said it was a kind gift from a fellow med patient, and he shut up and felt stupid. I left some extra leaf to protect the trichs and my friend already told me he like lef for cooking.

I believe you brought up the kiefing issue as a way to defend your manicuring technique and preference. The question "Is kiefing ethical?" tho, makes no sense really to this topic or in general. I've kiefed popcorn bud for kief, and used the remainder for BHO, why is that unethical? Why can't I do what I want with my bud? Maybe your question should be "Is selling kiefed bud for top dollar to med patients ethical?" or something along those lines, then fine, bud the situation you're describing with your son has nothing to do with kiefing. More like his incorrect constructive criticism, incorrect on his part because he is only seeing the street consumer's side of things.. IMHO

Ps- I hope I will hang and smoke with my kids one day. Peace to you

Jack

 

[Truth]

I don't mind a few leafs as long as they are covered in trichomes. I leave some leaf too, it works very well for protecting the trichomes on the buds, bag appeal isn't important to me, only the quality of the smoke, and a few trimmed leafs aren't going to affect the taste all that much.

"I believe you brought up the kiefing issue as a way to defend your manicuring technique and preference. "

no I believe he brought up kiffing because he thought it was messed up that even street bud wouldn't have many trichomes, but I think it is more from mis-handling than kiffing. although, alot of imported bud does get kiffed before it gets imported. there is no schwagg strain (besides hemp or ruderalis) there is only schwagg growers and kiffers.

"The question "Is kiefing ethical?" tho, makes no sense really to this topic or in general. I've kiefed popcorn bud for kief, and used the remainder for BHO, why is that unethical? Why can't I do what I want with my bud? Maybe your question should be "Is selling kiefed bud for top dollar to med patients ethical?"

makes alot of sense to me, I don't think he was complaining about people kiffing their own stash, but those selling kiffed buds (or buds almost void of trichomes). obviously his son probably isn't a med patient, so I don't see how 'Is selling kiefed bud for top dollar to med patients ethical?' would apply. that makes it seem as if it is ok to kiff recreational users, but not medicinal.

"From your description, you like to leave alot more leaf than usual, which is fine if it's a gift or cheaper"

doesn't make sense. if the leafs are frosty, they will add to potency, if the leafs are there, they will keep your trichomes intact much more than without, which keeps from decreasing potency. When buying bud, the best manicured usually isn't the most potent. I don't see why it should go for cheaper prices or even be fine as a gift but not for top dollar. leaf doesn't even weigh that much.