KC Brains & the Quest for Mothers

[M.R.GT]

Just finished KC's Mango and the 33 run before that. All turned out beautiful. Some hermi issues indoors with the mango. Found 1 keeper out of the 33. Lemon candy taste and smell. Hybrid mix not as big as the sativa pheno but super dense buds with lots of trics.

33 was my choice over the mango. Less Phenotype expression. Only issue was the male to female ratio. 8 male 2 females. Both could be keepers. The Thai pheno would be an outstanding outdoor plant with huge yields. The Hybrid was my keeper for indoors. Smaller yield but more manageable indoors.

Still have a pack of Brains choice and the NL special to run at some point in my economy seed thread.

KC brain rocks. For the price cant be beat.

Peace
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[BigNoise]

UPDATE: It appears my 33's and Mangos are starting to flower. Finally!

 

[creativeprocess]

UPDATE: It appears my 33's and Mangos are starting to flower. Finally!

Congrats! Pics??

 

[browntrout]

Just posted in the "KC Brains Outdoors" thread, cross posting in case it may be of use to you.

Mango and 33 haven't started flowering yet (46* North). Sort of has me worried, but hopefully a dry winter combined with hardy plants will let me get a harvest. Spontanica has been flowering for a couple weeks, but those are in small cloth pots, so the root restriction may have caused them to go a bit earlier (?), or they are just an earlier KC variety.

The growth on these things is insane though. The 33 especially...10 foot tall Christmas trees. And this is in what is probably sub par soil (my first time growing), started around May 8th if I recall, and put in ground July 4th.

For comparison, HFH Polish Demon and 4 different Bodhi strains have all been flowering for about 3 weeks, in the same soil and location as the KC.

I definitely want to do some breeding with the 33, for earlier harvest, but passing on the awesome vigor and hardiness.

Not sure where you got your beans,

I bought TNR and KC33 from Hemp--depot, both were exactly as described.

We have a Kc33 that has been acclimatized here since the early 90's. over 10 generations I am told.

The new KC33 was the Indica version of the old KC33. Very similar in smell earliness (Even Earlier) Even tighter bud. Really just the indica pheno.

Originally there were three phenos in the original pack circa 1994?? I was told there was a tall spindly thai-like pheno, a medium and long running budded hybrid pheno (one that was bred out) and shorter plant with very fat and long baseball bat buds.


Buy from reputable companies. Hemp Depot always has the legit i find.

 

[browntrout]

I think the new KC33 started in the End of July/first week of august and was totally finished during the first week of September if memory serves me right.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=257966

 

[waveguide]

in my experience, growth rate is a criteria depending on several factors, not just genetic expression. as bt says, acclimatising is something growers observe. i used to have a crap bubblegum, grew slow, next gen grew slow as well, kept because it was 50% of the strain representation i had. the third gen was some of the best bud i've grown.

 

[creativeprocess]

in my experience, growth rate is a criteria depending on several factors, not just genetic expression. as bt says, acclimatising is something growers observe. i used to have a crap bubblegum, grew slow, next gen grew slow as well, kept because it was 50% of the strain representation i had. the third gen was some of the best bud i've grown.

Yes, that's a great point. I was thinking that as well, but given my situation I'm not in a place to necessarily do as you did.

I would reckon that, down the road -- given ongoing effort of growers, and an encouraging legal system, many more people will begin to make discoveries as you and countless others have.

We gotta watch out for Monsanto.

 

[BigNoise]

What latitude are you at browntrout?

I got my seeds from Herbies fwiw. Not sure which pheno mine might be...they are 10-11 feet tall, and the widest is probably 7 feet. Very sativa leaf shape, very branchy, and quite wide as stated. The Mangoes are noticeably less wide, same height, similar leaf shape.

I'll try to get a picture this week.

 

[Koondense]

Last season I had a KC33 in the alps, harvested oct 1st, the plant was still in early/mid flowering and would finish in november, was underfed in a nice impro guerrilla spot found on a hike
Two days after harvest temps dropped below zero for a week, it was a close call.
The pack is from around 2010-2012, still have some left.

 

[browntrout]

I am at 45 degrees coastal

 

[DiRTYFooD]

I have a very young kc36 seedling so interested to see what it puts out!

 

[creativeprocess]

I have a very young kc36 seedling so interested to see what it puts out!

Any updates?



In narrowing down the batch, final presexing selections are as follow:
-- Several Kc Brains 36 -- extremely stocky, stout plants staying short but not as heavily clustered with branches as the nebulas and Afghanis.
-- One Kritical Bilbo feminized. Seems like it's a long brancher but with strong stems, I'm curious about the flowering performance.
-- Two Paradise nebula feminized. Extremely thickly branched. Like a miniature Christmas tree! Gorgeous plants, wow.
-- A few Afghanis classic but with some variety within the similarity. Heights and width vary but they're growing more now so it'll be interesting to see them unfold in structure.
-- Close calls (for my undertaking at present): northern lights if I can find one with phenotype leaning towards indica as most are branchy and thin.

-- The super critical was an extreme let down. Very weak genetics.
-- The KC Haze is beautiful but wowee, talk about tall!! This would be a stunning outdoor or SCROG grow!
-- Two random Bag seeds are looking decent so far with a nice tight single cola.

 

[MurdaMishou]

I myself had horrible luck with kc brains seeds. Ordered six packs off the tide last fall to try and run some old strains to pheno hunt. I think ten out of the sixty popped. What did pop were not that great. Good luck tho, hopefully everything turns out well for you.

 

[creativeprocess]

I myself had horrible luck with kc brains seeds. Ordered six packs off the tide last fall to try and run some old strains to pheno hunt. I think ten out of the sixty popped. What did pop were not that great. Good luck tho, hopefully everything turns out well for you.

That's unfortunate only 1/6 of your seeds grew. I wonder why that happened with you? All of mine (28 seeds in all) grew, although one of the 36's was weak from the beginning and never recovered. Compare that to ALL 5 of the "Super Kritical" sprouts from Gehnetik were weak from the beginning, with 3 never make it past just popping out of the seed, with the remaining 2 never getting strong enough to make any traction. What a huge let down! However, the Kritical Bilbo (feminized) is a champion in veg!

Also, out of the 10 that did grow, what were your results?
Which strain(s) did you grow?

My focus at this point is on KC 36, as all of the plants are very short and stocky. The genetics appear to be stable since all the plants look very similar. There is some minor variety but overall they're much alike. They were transplanted from smaller containers where they weren't initially getting much feed so now I expect them to really bulk up since they're being well-fed. One critique of KC I've read is that there can be a predominance of males in the batches, so time will tell with that situation. The other thing I've heard is mixed reviews about potency. But that remains for me to experience as well.

Are you growing anything else now?

 

[amanda88]

I'm a big fan of KC Brains, having bought several packs over the years

but this year his Mango 9 outta 10 were a fail,

I've never had that before, and its heartbreaking..!

1: first 3 were soaked 5 hours then to the kitchen towel 3 days at 25c ...fail

2: second batch were scarified, soaked in ro water and aloe Vera solution ...fail

3: 3 scarified, soaked as above partial germing hormone solution added ....fail

with just one left I'm open to suggestions...? currently soaking in a zip bag at 25c/77f
second week now ...Ugh!!!!

My only conclusion is they were affected by temperature, or dampness set in ...? during storage, its no biggie really as I've had extremely good value from this breeder and will continue to do so.

I highly recommend his Afgani ...like from the good old day says the blah!! ...and it really is

cheers

 

[creativeprocess]

I'm a big fan of KC Brains, having bought several packs over the years

but this year his Mango 9 outta 10 were a fail,

I've never had that before, and its heartbreaking..!

1: first 3 were soaked 5 hours then to the kitchen towel 3 days at 25c ...fail

2: second batch were scarified, soaked in ro water and aloe Vera solution ...fail

3: 3 scarified, soaked as above partial germing hormone solution added ....fail

with just one left I'm open to suggestions...? currently soaking in a zip bag at 25c/77f
second week now ...Ugh!!!!

My only conclusion is they were affected by temperature, or dampness set in ...? during storage, its no biggie really as I've had extremely good value from this breeder and will continue to do so.

I highly recommend his Afgani ...like from the good old day says the blah!! ...and it really is

cheers

Glad to hear you like KC's stuff!
Why would you dunk them in water and scar them? I don't think many seeds would experience that (or need to) in order to sprout in nature. Just some fluffy, warm, moist dirt should do the trick!

 

[oldbean]

I germinated a KC36 seed & got a male that flowered very quickly, hardly stretched at all and was very strong looking. I have a clone rooting currently. I killed the original plant.

I have since germinated 2 more seeds & don't know if they are male or female yet. One of them has gone into 12/12 from seed. The other has doubled in size during stretch & doesn't seem very branchy at all but does still retain a short stocky look if that makes sense.

Peace

 

[waveguide]

there's the difference domesticated plants, domesticated plant growers.

i used to seed prep for a nursery, scarification is industry standard for simulating the stratification of seeds in nature. aamof, i had many species of seeds i batch treated with sulphuric acid. so, scarify yes.

ppl who are used to a 24h soak and pop like myself seem to be challenged with brains seeds.. only tried one (1) myself, which looked healthy but balked at my process

i've heard that some ppl have luck with "outdoor genetics" letting them dry out after the first attempt then soaking a day or so later. think of stratification as a hormonal process i guess.. which is why ppl do "crazy things" like dribbling ice water on seeds they think germ with the spring snow thaw..

no i have not had luck with brains myself. i doubt i'd have luck with it because i live in the desert and a germing seed is extremely visible to moisture seeking predators, i need to "lock down" the germ process or it gets eated.

or maybe it's something much simpler like our seeds got microwaved in the mail or stored badly by the retailer.

 

[creativeprocess]

I germinated a KC36 seed & got a male that flowered very quickly, hardly stretched at all and was very strong looking. I have a clone rooting currently. I killed the original plant.

Sounds awesome! I do like KC 36 quite a bit -- I agree that the plants are strong and stocky.
What happened to original?

I have since germinated 2 more seeds & don't know if they are male or female yet. One of them has gone into 12/12 from seed.

Why you doing it 12/12 from seed, just to see what it produces? If it's a male will you destroy it? Female would you attempt to restabilize it in veg, or pollinate it with the male that you like?

The other has doubled in size during stretch & doesn't seem very branchy at all but does still retain a short stocky look if that makes sense.
Peace

That's interesting sounding! Are you willing to upload a pic here of it??

there's the difference domesticated plants, domesticated plant growers.

i used to seed prep for a nursery, scarification is industry standard for simulating the stratification of seeds in nature. aamof, i had many species of seeds i batch treated with sulphuric acid. so, scarify yes.

ppl who are used to a 24h soak and pop like myself seem to be challenged with brains seeds.. only tried one (1) myself, which looked healthy but balked at my process

i've heard that some ppl have luck with "outdoor genetics" letting them dry out after the first attempt then soaking a day or so later. think of stratification as a hormonal process i guess.. which is why ppl do "crazy things" like dribbling ice water on seeds they think germ with the spring snow thaw..

no i have not had luck with brains myself. i doubt i'd have luck with it because i live in the desert and a germing seed is extremely visible to moisture seeking predators, i need to "lock down" the germ process or it gets eated.

or maybe it's something much simpler like our seeds got microwaved in the mail or stored badly by the retailer.

What difference does it ultimately make, in your expereince and study, to utilize a variety of methods to help the seed(s) germinate? For instance, what ratios would you compare it to (or however else you would represent your data)?

 

[oldbean]

Sounds awesome! I do like KC 36 quite a bit -- I agree that the plants are strong and stocky.
What happened to original?

Why you doing it 12/12 from seed, just to see what it produces? If it's a male will you destroy it? Female would you attempt to restabilize it in veg, or pollinate it with the male that you like?

The first plant which was male was killed as I had females in the room & didn't want them pollinated, I keep a clone of this in veg for now. I have a pic of this plant
Before it met its end..

Its going into 12/12 from seed as originally I planted 2 seeds in the same pot but only one sprouted...but the 2nd seed has decided to wake up about a week ago & I have no room for it in veg so it stays where it is!

The female KC36 I am planning on taking a cutting as soon as a decent branch becomes available, this will be kept in veg until I have smoked KC36 & decide if I want to keep it. I shall take a pic of this female next time I get a chance.

In the long run I think I will make more seed with the male & female but not yet as I don't have room!

Pictures will follow of the male.

Peace