i'm not saying any of that. i'm saying if we, under this system, remove the leash off of big business... the wolves will have us for dinner
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Captain Red Eye
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Not if we neuter the wolves
You are correct to be concerned about big business, but they are only half the problem.
Big business is constantly lobbying (bribing) their partners and brothers in crime, government, to create legal barriers to entry into markets to stifle competition. It's incestuous all the way thru. Name any significant industry and the fuckery runs right thru it. Military industrial complex is not the only example.. Big food, big "medicine", big insurance, big fake news, big banks, bailouts for them, debt for you... it's everywhere.
I agree with you...sort of
Big business will be wolves. They already are. That's not in spite of government, that's BECAUSE of government. Remember "essential businesses and non-essential businesses? That was done to ensure the "right people" could stay open.
None of this is the free market I talk about. It can't be free, since it forcibly stifles competition and government has it's back. Partners in crime are not "free markets". Those are crony markets.
A personal tale of thwarted fuckery
Almost 20 years ago big agriculture in partnership with oppressive government tried to make it so small farmers had to i.d. and register every fucking farm animal.
They tried to sell this horse shit plan to the public under safety". There were articles in farming type magazines about why it was needed etc. Lying sacks of shit. It was really to prevent homesteaders and small-time farmers from growing our own food and to drive out self-sufficiency and big food's competition. It was called National Animal I.D. system, NAIS for short, and was a total scam.
I went to hearings and told them, rather frankly, I would never comply and they could back the fuck off or get an ass kicking or a dog biting if they came to steal my unregistered livestock. Now maybe by ass kicking I was warning them about my donkey and maybe I meant something else. I'm old and can't quite remember just what I meant.
Even printed up my own flyers to rally other small-time farmers and backyard homesteaders to protest with civil disobedience and non-compliance to push back. I am a peaceful person but I will not comply with incursions on my right to raise my own food.
A TOTAL BULLSHIT STORY
I heard some small farmers greeted some of the bureaucrats tasked with pimping this "safety program" at "listening sessions" with some cow pies to the face at one of the meetings. I ain't saying I know people that might do that, but I ain't saying I don't either. Karma? Who knows?
One cool thing about Maine is we have magic government papers telling us it's our right to grow our own food. I appreciate the sentiment, but No shit government, we already knew that before you fuckers thought you needed to tell us.
Think of "legal weed" and how that operates versus what would happen if the government just got the fuck out of the way. People would grow weed or anything else as they pleased and if there was demand for it, people could sell or trade the fruit of their labor. Literally, the fruit.
Under most conditions actual small business free market competition benefits consumers and emboldens freedom and peaceful trade. Those things are our right to have if we are inclined to do so.
Think farmers markets anywhere people want them and watch how fast health and actual community improves.
Think Amish selling their produce to earn an honest living.
Maybe we all need to act like the Amish now as far as food security?
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I stand corrected.
That's how I found out about the law in Oregon.
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free market libertarianism hogwash.
again, you don't neuter the wolf by removing its leash.
you're telling the wolves they can put sawdust in our 'bread' again and dump their toxic waste in YOUR front yard (how u gonna grow food when you're a sheep and the wolf sees you as free market competition? anarchist volunteers are gonna stop the wolf?).
i'd rather not commit horrible abuse against animals and children, but to each their own...
Captain Red Eye
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No. I'm not telling you any of that is what I want. I'm telling you, if more people enter ACTUAL free markets, you can reward those who sell you food you like by purchasing from them.
If you don't like a given product or a business that operates via coercion, withdraw your support, watch them fall. If you keep supporting coercion, don't be surprised when somebody that is really good at using coercion uses it on you. That's what needs to change.
I grow food on a micro level now and don't intend to stop until I physically can't.
What would be the impact on big food if more and more people did that and traded freely and consensually amongst themselves? Why does big food NOT want us to do that? They control us by limiting our free choices. If you expand free choices, people regain power in their own lives and the thugs lose power to control YOUR life.
If you're worried about toxic waste, that's valid. There are ways to address that though.
short of a society full of intelligent (goes hand in hand with being nonviolent) people, government regulation seems the only way.
still waiting for wal mart to fall.
the whole 'if we remove regulations, the world will thrive' crapola is straight up elon musk, trump billionaire propaganada.
"it takes money to make money" who has the money? and who will get richer if we remove regulations? it sure as hell aint going to be the poor or middle-class...
Captain Red Eye
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Think some more, even if your head hurts.
Elon Musk derives his power from his associations with government.
If you remove regulations preventing people from engaging in free trade, what do you think would happen to the price of weed? Serious question.
RobFromTX
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And youre going to see that first hand if and when this country finally legalizes it
Monsanto, Phillip Morris, they'll all have control of the industry just like tobacco
I can promise you they'll put a full ban on home growing
Captain Red Eye
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It's what they always do, use legislation to kill off their competition, both figuratively and literally.
I'm too old to go back to growing in the woods, BUT I'd drag my sorry ass out there if it came to that just to spite the m-f'ers.
RobFromTX
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First thing they'll probably do is target the sale of grow equipment, headshops and online sources
Best do what i do and stock up. A have an extra grow tent, 2 unused 600watt systems and about a dozen bulbs
It wouldnt work for very long but dont think they wouldnt try. Its a greedy corrupt government we have
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Captain Red Eye
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Even the so-called "legalization" that has already occurred is really just prohibition light, it's not actual freedom.
A long time ago on another forum a person accused me of "advocating people breaking the law" when she was touting how wonderful a horse shit weed state legalization bill was that included special privileges for care givers, which of course she was.
That same bill even had a deal where the state would reduce what non caregivers could grow. Fucking weed growing nazi, "don't tread on me, go tread on them" was pretty much her game and I called her out.
I asked her which laws was she and her State okay with breaking? I said it's all still illegal federally and if I ever got busted (again) I'd put the arresting cop(s) on the stand that worked for any State which was violating and profiting from breaking "federal law" and turn the whole thing into a circus.
Most states where they've legalized also tax it and by doing that, they are breaking "federal law". (not that I give a shit, but it would be fun to fuck with any arrests in a legal state)
"Your honor please strike this cops testimony, part of his paycheck is derived from federal crimes and I don't think this honorable court should allow testimony from "federal criminals" etc.
You have to fuck them with using their own horse shit against them.
I know how to grow them trees in the swamps, and them little ones hidden in the low growth if it comes to that, so fuck 'em !
Captain Red Eye
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I see, so you think the same people that sprayed paraquat on weed many of us old timers could have smoked in the 1970s or 80s should be the ones in charge of weed safety?
Tell me more about how that goes?
Agent Orange is more than just a weed strain Grasshopper.
you make a great case for greater gubment oversight/ transparency.
remember the whole "we the people" thing? popular sovereignty?
accountability would be out the window with the straight corporate fascism (just like what makes mussolini's heart sing) and toxic wasteland we'd get if we have a market with no regulation.
remember the whole "we the people" thing? popular sovereignty?
accountability would be out the window with the straight corporate fascism (just like what makes mussolini's heart sing) and toxic wasteland we'd get if we have a market with no regulation.
Captain Red Eye
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I'm not for corporate fascism for the zillionth time.
I'm for peaceful self ownership, the kind where your money isn't taken to pay to spray chemicals from the air on weed people might consume. Do you know anything about what Paraquat was?
Also, there are already many toxic wastelands with government, many directly because of government.
Who the fuck do you think was in charge of all those dumps that are now superfund sites? They were government controlled.
Also you never said anything about Agent Orange, maybe you're too young to get the snarky kick there?
You see, the fuckers not only sprayed weed, they sprayed chemicals on and near villages knowing women and children would die from it. Not to mention some USA soldiers died from it too.
You really love your master that much you want those fuckers in charge of safety?
Also, there are other ways to rectify people dumping dangerous chemicals on your land.
