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Joe Biden Thread
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you're using commie in a very specific way. a way in which you might know if you took some time to understand some of this stuff more. there's more than one school of thought in reference to communism (and it differs from just being a marxist), just as there are multiple schools of thought on capitalism. the commies you're referring to are Stalinists, or in more modern terms, they are referred to as Tankies, which definitely isn't BLM lol, and most of the left hates them as well, they are not the dominant force or ideology of the left. So there is some nuance there. With fascists there is no nuance, it's pretty clear what they want.
White Beard
Active member
Yes...and even the Swiss have nationalist sentiments...but maybe I should have mentioned the weaponized nationalistic fever, not unlike what we see here right now with the “stop the steal” xxxxx....
At the same time, I take considerable civic pride in the nation when it avoids and/or repairs mistakes; I grew up in the last of the Old Regime, when we were the unchallenged victors, and there was much idealism there. I still believe in the machine our founders designed, and I’m proud of them for their work, and I’m proud of us for keeping as true to it as we have (considering...).
I’m also proud to be fighting for that same machine of self-government, for its preservation, for its UPGRADE and IMPROVEMENT, for its extension to ALL CITIZENS, and for the continual re-evaluation of the *goals being achieved* as well as the *means applied* to achieve them.
I am NOT proud of the way in which the autocrats have set out to delude, and cut from the herd, so many who feel in their hearts as I do about the US. Civic pride is a joy - but the aggrandizement and sabre-rattling of the “exceptionalists” neither provides for the common defense nor promotes the general welfare. I am not proud that so many of my fellow-citizens have been blinded to the “civic virtues” the founders spoke of so eloquently and so often; I am even less proud that so many have joined the effort to upend the government, the courts, our elections.
Goldwater said “extremism in pursuit of liberty is no vice”...and now “republicans” have proven this is not true. Extremism in the pursuit of *ANYTHING* *is* a vice, and it breeds vice, and viciousness. Sister Liberty has no need for, no patience with, the pedestal, or the shrine, or the homily; she is here to EXTEND liberty to ALL who will extend liberty - and the right of self-determination - to their co-inhabitants.
Nationalism, without a nation we can believe in, a people we will fight for and give to, is just rabble-rousing, a radical self-hatred. People like to refer to Franklin’s statement on our then-new government - “a republic - if you can keep it” - but to keep it, we need to remember that “E Pluribus, Unum” is our GOAL, our CHALLENGE: to make of us all ONE NATION. Changing course toward ANYTHING else is a very bad plan indeed.
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'Boogieman'
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Ok I was just using it as an example. If I find a socialist in a BLM gathering does it make all of them socialist? I have seen videos of antifa and BLM fighting each other so no I don't consider BLM as a communist group.
but being a socialist and or communist isn't inherently a bad thing lol that's all im trying to convey. on the other hand there is no redeeming qualities to fascism or being a fascist. if i were participating in a movement and i got fascists marching next to me i'd might want to reflect on what it is i believe in lol.
BLM leadership being "trained marxists" for instance doesn't mean they're dangerous or bad unless you consider the equal treatment of Americans a bad thing lol
BLM leadership being "trained marxists" for instance doesn't mean they're dangerous or bad unless you consider the equal treatment of Americans a bad thing lol
White Beard
Active member
We found YOU here, Boog: that doesn’t make us ALL *you*...so, no.
Bless you, brother, but remember what Mencken said: you can lead a whore to culture (“horticulture”) but you cannot make him think.
Bless you, brother, but remember what Mencken said: you can lead a whore to culture (“horticulture”) but you cannot make him think.
'Boogieman'
Well-known member
I do consider communism the opposite but equally as dangerous as fascism if not worse. Both communism and fascism have lead to mass murder as history has shown. Communism is one party rule and while your version might not be deadly eventually it will turn into a full blown dictatorship because there is no checks and balances in a communist government.
Well stated!
I've seen some of the left overs in Europe and been in nazi camps. Brutal. I think that most German people are appalled by what preceded them. They understand it and the thought of it brings shame and pain to their hearts and souls. There are some neos there who are rejected by all of society. Here in America people toss around terms that they don't understand and they participate, accept or tolerate political notions that are some of the worst this world has ever seen. All out of ignorance.
'Boogieman'
Well-known member
Under a communist government it would happen, but we have checks and balances in our government to prevent that. The so called experts can only blame themselves for not being trusted, weapons of mass destruction, endless wars, ect.
These checks are useless with a corrupt POTUS.. If Trump had succeeded democracy would have died. The GOP did nothing to stop it and many are still trying to stop it. The gop is now in fav of autocracy. If your concerned about your rights what do you think would happen with your gun rights in a autocracy gov?. Your guns would be the 1st to go.
'Boogieman'
Well-known member
The checks and balances are working, besides Trump has done everything the legal way you are just being dramatic as usual.
Not one Republican stooge in the last 20 years, who uses the words Socialism, Marxism in a negative context, has been able to define what these words mean or give specific relevant examples. Huge mindless stooges, being GOP parrots. "Socialism" examples :
(1) Public Schools
(2) Community Colleges
(3) Public Universities
(4) Public roads
(5) Local , County, State & Federal Park Lands.
(6) Public access on waterways.
(7) Subsidies for farmers & all others.
Explain the "wrongness" of the above "Socialism".
Explain how we are not entitled to the same unlimited lifetime 1st class health care our politicians receive.
Explain how NONE of the so-called "Conservative" politicians you support, refuse the huge "Socialism" of unlimited lifetime 1st class health care.
(1) Public Schools
(2) Community Colleges
(3) Public Universities
(4) Public roads
(5) Local , County, State & Federal Park Lands.
(6) Public access on waterways.
(7) Subsidies for farmers & all others.
Explain the "wrongness" of the above "Socialism".
Explain how we are not entitled to the same unlimited lifetime 1st class health care our politicians receive.
Explain how NONE of the so-called "Conservative" politicians you support, refuse the huge "Socialism" of unlimited lifetime 1st class health care.
St. Phatty
Active member
I find that Trump-humpers who are upset about Trump's loss and Whining about Communism
what they're really upset about is Black Lives Matter.
You can point out, Trump gave away $3 Trillion.
Bernie was only talking about giving away $1 Trillion.
But it's not the amount of money that upsets the Trump-humpers.
How much of what you worked for today... do you owe me?
Serious question.
(Because I have a number in mind)
Mow, you live in an underachieving red state getting handouts from us wealthy, educated, productive blue states.
You owe us.
You're welcome.
How much of your work did you not get paid for? How much did your employer keep?
Our current capitalistic system was not designed to benefit the working class. You don’t get ahead working 40 hour weeks. You get ahead working 80 hour weeks. It isn’t done without sacrifice of friends and family.
Not what God intended when creating the benefits of the universe. Everything has been taken that can be taken. All packaged and sold. You pay for land, water,...don’t poach in the forest, don’t plant your crops near water. It isn’t yours. Don’t occupy that space. We’re lucky they can’t suck up the air. You have no right to exist if you’re not paying for it. It’s not yours.
Income equality is not taking your hard earned cash. It’s about providing hard working people with the benefits they need and deserve.
Our current capitalistic system was not designed to benefit the working class. You don’t get ahead working 40 hour weeks. You get ahead working 80 hour weeks. It isn’t done without sacrifice of friends and family.
Not what God intended when creating the benefits of the universe. Everything has been taken that can be taken. All packaged and sold. You pay for land, water,...don’t poach in the forest, don’t plant your crops near water. It isn’t yours. Don’t occupy that space. We’re lucky they can’t suck up the air. You have no right to exist if you’re not paying for it. It’s not yours.
Income equality is not taking your hard earned cash. It’s about providing hard working people with the benefits they need and deserve.
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guns ain't going no where - there are probably 1 for every man/women/child in the US... taking your guns is a pipe dream
