Je suis charlie

[Killersmile]

I posted this video, just to show u that anyone from the meanstream media, or the dissidence media, can say things that aren't proven yet. Saying things that confort ur version of the story to feed ur ideology and believes, in order to make u confortable with ur views. But that ins't the absolut truth, just ur views.

We all know that there's something not clear behind what happened in Paris.
We all know there's radical muslim in Europe and in specifically in France. We know that the secret services have them on watch. So if anything happened, probably that those who give the orders let it happen. We will never know anyway...

If you want we can debating, but you will need to bring something more than empty words. I give you evidence and facts, and until now all I see in front are negations, insults and teasing, but not one single solid argument...

to get back to images, all the incriminating videos were censored in the French media, but you can find them in the Swiss media, Russians, and others.

Now if you look closely, you will see that these men act very professional manner and calculated, they are not guided by emotions but by the rational, they are not all edgy but keep his cool at any moment, they know where they put each foot and each hand.

They have not killed people who were at the entrance or in the first floor of the building, and attacked precise targets.

They intervene in very specific time of the weekly meeting of the journal redaction, and they mount directly to the second floor, which shows that they were very well informed.

They were heavily armed, not with simple kalashnicov. And they are in a millitary logic. Even watching the manner they shoot we can see that they are professionals.

this attack stinks military intervention !

• August 7, 2014 Benjamin Netanyahu threatens France that if she recognizes Palestine there would be attacks.
  
• December 2014 France recognized the Palestinian state at the UN. 339 votes to favor for 151 votes against.
  
• January 2015 Charlie Hebdo attack.

Now a simple question, who benefits from this attack... ?

certainly not Muslims !

 

[waveguide]

agreed. this is the one thing that many people should learn - the real value of not knowing.

there is so much that people do not really know but like to feel comfortable pretending they do, but let's not get into all that here.

throughout history, occupied minority powers generally do not strike out because you always get hit back. for instance, "black americans" generally don't take the offensive in "racially oppressive environments" unless strongly cornered or provoked because everyone knows you will always get hit back. so you don't hit unless you're driven to it.

which should strongly make any rational person consider the legitimacy of this purported "muslim" act.

didn't someone post the map of retaliation against muslims in france since? the map has like three shootings, one grenade.. *don't* tell me a person who feels oppressed wouldn't see retaliation coming.....

 

[D. B. Doober]

do you think a lot of French Jews will move to Israel? They said there were like 700 Jewish schools in France. I don't understand, I thought all the Jews in France had been killed in the holocaust. So where did these people come from? I am not getting it.

 

[blastfrompast]

DB:

Your joking right....

 

[Killersmile]

They also try to make us believe that this attack would be an answer to the cartoons about prophet Mohammed that there was Edited 14 years ago, in 2001... Common ! have you lost your mind or what?

I would like to clarify something about the badly named "newspaper" Charlie Hebdo, which for me never was a satirical newspaper, but a trash toiletpaper, scatological, pornographic and anti-christian, and a lot of people could have had reasons to attack them.

All i see here is that once again the emotion trumps over the reason, and a total lack of professionalism about this supposed new case of "terrorism".

 

[Killersmile]

sorry I made a mistake, it was in 2006, so 9 years ago

 

[OttawaGreen]

http://www.infowars.com/charlie-hebdo/

 

[sal opette]

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to get back to images, all the incriminating videos were censored in the French media, but you can find them in the Swiss media, Russians, and others.

Now if you look closely, you will see that these men act very professional manner and calculated, they are not guided by emotions but by the rational, they are not all edgy but keep his cool at any moment, they know where they put each foot and each hand.

They have not killed people who were at the entrance or in the first floor of the building, and attacked precise targets.

They intervene in very specific time of the weekly meeting of the journal redaction, and they mount directly to the second floor, which shows that they were very well informed.

They were heavily armed, not with simple kalashnicov. And they are in a millitary logic. Even watching the manner they shoot we can see that they are professionals.

Hey Killer, I understand and agree with the points in the quote above, as far as I've quoted it....But why does this act have to be government? Some really really pissed off european born guys with a lot of time on their hands, some very dodgy military/paramilitary friends with supplies, expertise and places to train. Why couldn't they get this together and be near as good as professionals?

I don't want to get lost in the detail, because I am not a forensic expert or a military tactics expert, are you? I don't think the guys who wrote the stuff in the links in this thread know it all either and yes I did read most of them. I take the point on censorship its the joining it all up and making a big conspiracy pie I can get.

Good luck with the quest for truth

 

[sal opette]

DB :jawdrop:I know you don't go out much... maybe you should look into some history or global politics?

 

[dread]

je suis dread....

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

If you want we can debating, but you will need to bring something more than empty words. I give you evidence and facts, and until now all I see in front are negations, insults and teasing, but not one single solid argument...

Words are not empty, they mean something. U are the one trying to prove the attack was false or staged. U need to believe that, it make u feel confortable.

to get back to images, all the incriminating videos were censored in the French media, but you can find them in the Swiss media, Russians, and others.

Now if you look closely, you will see that these men act very professional manner and calculated, they are not guided by emotions but by the rational, they are not all edgy but keep his cool at any moment, they know where they put each foot and each hand.

I see two man walking left then right, going front going back. They first got the wrong address, talking about profesionals? They went to the 6 instead of the 10 of the street. One is just a dummy following the other guy.

They have not killed people who were at the entrance or in the first floor of the building, and attacked precise targets.

They mentioned in the audio, that they didn't came to kill everybody, but only the one they targeted, but since this argument don't feed ur views, u'are not taking it in consideration.

They intervene in very specific time of the weekly meeting of the journal redaction, and they mount directly to the second floor, which shows that they were very well informed.

Yes maybe, maybe not, how to know? Remember they probably have a boss.

They were heavily armed, not with simple kalashnicov. And they are in a millitary logic. Even watching the manner they shoot we can see that they are professionals.


this attack stinks military intervention !

I know gangsters that are full of crazy guns, and they are not link to mossad or cia. U can even buy a tank on internet. U said they are professionals becuase they shot people with a gun. I've seen kids done that in schools in the USA ! Walking and dressing as military, does that mean they are false or stage attack? No !

Remember u are talking about guys that have been radical muslims for 15 years, according to the sources.

• August 7, 2014 Benjamin Netanyahu threatens France that if she recognizes Palestine there would be attacks.
  
• December 2014 France recognized the Palestinian state at the UN. 339 votes to favor for 151 votes against.
  
• January 2015 Charlie Hebdo attack.

Well the islamic state have threaten France hundred of times, those that prove they did it? Al Qaida did the same, so did others. Doesn't prove it's them.

Now a simple question, who benefits from this attack... ?

certainly not Muslims !

It depends from where u looking at this, u mean not muslims in France or Europe, but the muslims from ISIS and Al Qaida enjoyed it. So did Netanyahu or Bennet or Hollande or Obama. The new boss of Charlie Hebdo might enjoy it too, 20 millions of euros for a paper that was read by only 30 000 ppl before the attack, now they printing 5 millions of them. This doesn't prove the boss staged the attack.

What you're talking about are not evidences but infos and INTERPRETATION from ur own ! U only conforting ur ideology here and ur own views, feels great huh? But ain't the truth.

 

[Killersmile]

Words are not empty, they mean something. U are the one trying to prove the attack was false or staged. U need to believe that, it make u feel confortable.

I see two man walking left then right, going front going back. They first got the wrong address, talking about profesionals? They went to the 6 instead of the 10 of the street. One is just a dummy following the other guy.

They mentioned in the audio, that they didn't came to kill everybody, but only the one they targeted, but since this argument don't feed ur views, u'are not taking it in consideration.

Yes maybe, maybe not, how to know? Remember they probably have a boss.

I know gangsters that are full of crazy guns, and they are not link to mossad or cia. U can even buy a tank on internet. U said they are professionals becuase they shot people with a gun. I've seen kids done that in schools in the USA ! Walking and dressing as military, does that mean they are false or stage attack? No !

Remember u are talking about guys that have been radical muslims for 15 years, according to the sources.

Well the islamic state have threaten France hundred of times, those that prove they did it? Al Qaida did the same, so did others. Doesn't prove it's them.

It depends from where u looking at this, u mean not muslims in France or Europe, but the muslims from ISIS and Al Qaida enjoyed it. So did Netanyahu or Bennet or Hollande or Obama. The new boss of Charlie Hebdo might enjoy it too, 20 millions of euros for a paper that was read by only 30 000 ppl before the attack, now they printing 5 millions of them. This doesn't prove the boss staged the attack.

What you're talking about are not evidences but infos and INTERPRETATION from ur own ! U only conforting ur ideology here and ur own views, feels great huh? But ain't the truth.

I don't need to prove anything. There are contradictions what was forgotten to highlight by the press. Instead they are hastened to erase, but that we, because we are free men must explore and analyze, and i think it is a useful and necessary task.


regarding the facts themselves we have two hypothesis:

Either it's an attack by Muslim fundamentalists, either isolated or belonging to a restricted activist cell of Al-Qaeda, as we likes to say actually. (persons being identified on the day after the attack I would return later on this).

Either it is something more serious and more consequent that would be an act of war and therefore a provocation, and we can't exclude this hypothesis from the outset, even though the press is still privileged some aspects in the expense of other.

the modus operandi of this operation (because we can speak about a real commando operation), orresponds to a completely military pattern.

We have the feeling to watch members of the special forces intervene with a cold blooded and methodical character, taking their time, since the operation took more than 10 minutes.

We are dealing with a particularly efficient and hardened men. We can see one of them "shoot a policeman" and take the time to pick up a shoe to not leave evidence, and they leave quietly after having confronted beforehand two teams of police, one in a car which they shot and left by running back. Another was bike policemen they did "leak".

And these are the same men who would have forgotten their identity papers during vehicle change...? It seems extraordinary !

A priori When you get involved in this type of operation you not taking any identity papers on you...

this seriously recalls the episode of the World Trade Center in the smoldering rubble, when the steel melted, there is a passport miraculously fell of one of the planes, designating one of the hijackers.

therefore from the end of the afternoon we had already identified the perpetrators of this heinous crime.

I am willing to hear that people are training in jihadist camps, but with what weapons and what means...?

in the suburbs weapons are not overly expensive, but ammunition are very expensive. A Kalashnikov bullet should be around one euro the unit.

Looking at the videos we can see that there are police cars with well-grouped impacts by a war caliber.

On 20 or 30 cm squares we have an almost perfect grouping. Sorry but i don't belive that people who have not received a long high-level training has come realize this exploit.

The commando didn't act as act the fanatics of an islamic state or Al Qaeda, who have religious motivations, and who should have to blow themselves and die as a martyr, and blow and burn the building to destroy all materials godless elements (the famous caricatures). But not only the 2006 caricatures replicated from a Danish newspaper. It is mostly the posterior caricatures, I encourage people to go to google images and look at the first pages covers of Charlie Hebdo, which are quite "suggestive", and that show how it was a very special "newspaper"

So these people did not act as would the Muslim fanatics in similar circunstances. They act as executioners.

And there at a very telling detail...

Where they take third car (Renault Clio), they make the owner get off (without violence), and the owner request to retrieve his dog before they leave, and very kindly they allow the owner to recover his dog...

I can tell you that if we had are dealing with pure muslim fanatics they had killed the dog (and very probably his owner), or even would have not touched him because the dog is basically an impure animal in Islam (haram), in a very restrictive and absolutely stupid interpretation of the Quran.

so we still seeing another false note

And another one, the targeted people were protected by the police who showed particularly "inoperative"... so it would be necessary also ask questions on this ...

I could go on for a long time, but I will leave it.

We must continue to scrutinize and analyze the faiths, the circunstances, the antecedents and the background, beyond the emotions aroused, maintained, and even created by the press.

I AM NOT CHARLE HEBDO

 

[Corsaire]

Don't try to talk with a guy like Killertime, you lose your time... these people are convinced to be right all the time, that the whole world is a vast conspiracy and that everyone is wrong except them... they like to scare (or try)...

What ever your arguments, they find fault just for the sake of being right, they're sociopaths who have a personality problem, nothing more... like terrorists...

 

[LEF]

I agree with everyone who says killersmile is lost/delusionnal...

Guy says "I dont need to prove anything" and goes on for 24 paragraphs trying to prove his point...

Also, being hostile only pushes people away from you, they start to see you as aggresive, dangerous, loony, and then it's easy, you just link that kind of behaviour with defending terrorists and you got a terrorism apologizer/futur terrorist

I would be careful what you post, some people already went to jail for that in relation to the paris attacks.

 

[waveguide]

I would be careful what you post, some people already went to jail for that in relation to the paris attacks.

those who would sacrifice liberty for security..

 

[LEF]

To be fair, i somewhat recognize myself in killersmile

I too sometimes take things very much at heart and will try to share my point of view with others.. And sometimes when i believe something, i will really believe it

 

[stoned-trout]

your god can kiss my gods ass.......yeehaw mohammed achmed both can kiss my redneck ass

 

[LEF]

 

[HempKat]

I agree with some of your saying, i have quite the same interest but i'm not sure we're taking the same way. Honestly the articles from VT website are full of lies and misinformation.
There was some people on the roof this day because they went to hide from terrorists and there is different business in the same building.
And about attacking muslims, it did not work so well, most of us know the difference between muslim and terrorist.

Yeah I have to side with Kro here on the issue of this being a plot to turn Non Muslims against Muslims. Far more understand that what the radical Muslims preach is an abomination to true Islam. So most of us never get an impulse to just randomly start attacking any and all Muslims.

 

[m314]

Is that the father, the son, and the holy spirit? Lol. That is really funny when you're high.

It's a good thing Christians can take a joke. I really like South Park. Those guys would have been dead a long time ago if people were that offended by cartoons with Jesus.