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Jact55 Landrace Thread
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Ooh wow what a genetic diversity and lovely strains ypur projects consits of.
Dn wish i jad that real deal goold old temple nepal/royal nepali plants and malana cream pheno is so sick. Well done.The mandala seeds satori nepalease it has recorded 28% thc and i know its a ridicolous rare genetic. Have you had access to dutch passions durban poison landrace version? Its not as long flowertime butbsaid to have kept the energetic amphetamine speedy controll of every thought and the famous sought after lliquerice anis seed cinnamon mint terps that its famous for amoungst other things is said yo habe been selectively preserved thou afghan added or a more Quick flowering sativa as they claim allmost pure and only inbred never hybridized or maybe that was power plant sativa Now as i write this i struck me..???
Amyway i love your hobby of choice and also look forward to build a stock of ownbred selections of only keeper males and fems.
Thanx for the height reports evem with 12/12 from seed some landrace sativas get 1meter tall...
You inspired me to still make topshelf genetics seedbrand a reality
Dn wish i jad that real deal goold old temple nepal/royal nepali plants and malana cream pheno is so sick. Well done.The mandala seeds satori nepalease it has recorded 28% thc and i know its a ridicolous rare genetic. Have you had access to dutch passions durban poison landrace version? Its not as long flowertime butbsaid to have kept the energetic amphetamine speedy controll of every thought and the famous sought after lliquerice anis seed cinnamon mint terps that its famous for amoungst other things is said yo habe been selectively preserved thou afghan added or a more Quick flowering sativa as they claim allmost pure and only inbred never hybridized or maybe that was power plant sativa Now as i write this i struck me..???
Amyway i love your hobby of choice and also look forward to build a stock of ownbred selections of only keeper males and fems.
Thanx for the height reports evem with 12/12 from seed some landrace sativas get 1meter tall...
You inspired me to still make topshelf genetics seedbrand a reality
Buckeyebandit
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if you don't mind 55. here is the yunnan from bodhi from 12/12 outdoor. i have had a hard time finding info on these. i pulled a male this time due to wanting to see how she smokes. if all test are good i will keep males for a full season seed run. she's droopy looking from just receiving a foliar
How'd those strains do with mold and mildew? I'm guessing they did fine that's a big Sinai cola and it looks clean. Got a smoke report yet?
thejact55
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Been a while. Too much work, not enough play. Thank you all for commenting and showing interest. I really need to update, maybe this weekend ill do a formal post. My three strains have shown sex and are in early flower.
12 malawis, 50/50 male female ration
9 mazars- 5 female, 4 male
9 ethiopian- 4 female and 5 males.
I have fought some issues with all 3 strains, something is off in my soil mix this go round. Whether it be a ph, or a deficiency, its been a pain. I have em all mostly healthy now. Hoping for sucess moving forward. Ill try to post pics soon.
@ledsicon- wow, mine were nowhere near that much thc, but special none the less. I figured they had quite low thc, but a relaxing high.i might be getting some durban, not dutch passion though, but as time goes on, my odds are not looking as good.
@ buckeye- ya no worries on sharing. Open thread for anyone to post whatever. Are those pics current? Seems late in the year for such young plants outdoors. Must be in a fairly warm area? Keep us posted on their progress. Not a common plant.
@ rev- no mold or mildew. One jilly bean had some rot on the cola, and she wasnt dense, i was suprised. First time thats happened to me. The sinai have huge buds, but semi fluffy, which i think helps in that regard. This weekend with photos, ill post smoke reports too.
12 malawis, 50/50 male female ration
9 mazars- 5 female, 4 male
9 ethiopian- 4 female and 5 males.
I have fought some issues with all 3 strains, something is off in my soil mix this go round. Whether it be a ph, or a deficiency, its been a pain. I have em all mostly healthy now. Hoping for sucess moving forward. Ill try to post pics soon.
@ledsicon- wow, mine were nowhere near that much thc, but special none the less. I figured they had quite low thc, but a relaxing high.i might be getting some durban, not dutch passion though, but as time goes on, my odds are not looking as good.
@ buckeye- ya no worries on sharing. Open thread for anyone to post whatever. Are those pics current? Seems late in the year for such young plants outdoors. Must be in a fairly warm area? Keep us posted on their progress. Not a common plant.
@ rev- no mold or mildew. One jilly bean had some rot on the cola, and she wasnt dense, i was suprised. First time thats happened to me. The sinai have huge buds, but semi fluffy, which i think helps in that regard. This weekend with photos, ill post smoke reports too.
Buckeyebandit
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Jact55 it is late but the sub tropic’s allows me to get a look at things thru the winter time before a full season grow ( limited space) In the dirty south if you know what I mean
thejact55
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Must be a nice being able to peek at strains outdoors. assuming they go into flower right away, so quickest possible flower time during these months?
One thing apparent so far, is your leaves are much more narrower. Which is what i would expect from a semi tropical yunnan province. Mine had huge kush like thick leaves.
One thing apparent so far, is your leaves are much more narrower. Which is what i would expect from a semi tropical yunnan province. Mine had huge kush like thick leaves.
thejact55
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Here are the pics from round one of indoor seed run this winter. They have been on 12/12 for a week or two now, and all have shown sex. I'm thinking of isolating the males in one tent for a while, so the females can catch up flowering. worried a little about some cross contamination though if I do this.
pic 1- Malawi. 6 males on the left (facing photo), and the 6 females on the right.
pic 2- Ethiopian- the 5 males lined up on the left, the 4 females on the right in rows of 2
pic 3- mazar sharifs- the 4 males are lined up on the left. the 5 females are the rest that are scattered. The shorter 4 plants are a panama x blueberry. I think the blueberry is dominant. Short plants, wide leaves, twisted and deformed leaves also common.
reports:I have mainly smoked the cbd I grew, more my style of high. limited smoking so far on the rest of my stash.
Sinai- medium high. the incense flavor comes through strong. little harsh due to some leaf left behind on the buds.
Yunnan- the smell I loved so much has not come through on the cure to well. maybe my fault? The one time I smoked it was before bed, which didn't help me at all. I got restless, and actually slept weird all night. maybe more of a daytime smoke. I will have to test more later. The smoke is a little harsh also. I think I got these too dry too quick, hence the lack of smell and smoothness. The jitteriness surprised me.
Skunk #1- the finished buds carried over smell and taste quite well. Full flavor, but not skunky. more of a sweet hash. well rounded high as well. a few people I have shared with liked this one.
Jilly Bean- Kind of all over on this one. I have not smoked all 5 plants though. One plant got me ripped, and carried over the smell well. it was the earliest and fluffiest one that was so potent. Others lost a lot of the wonderful smells that were present during growing. one plant had a decent high, but not as strong as others. I think 2 plants carried over that fruit sherbet smell, one went kinda licorice on me when cured, the last two kind of bland.
Senegal- obviously cut way early. The smell of a hashy sweet, touch of fuel still carried through after drying. I just crumbled all the plants together and mix it with some tobacco I grew a while back. very mild high, due to being immature, but I don't mind it.
pic 1- Malawi. 6 males on the left (facing photo), and the 6 females on the right.
pic 2- Ethiopian- the 5 males lined up on the left, the 4 females on the right in rows of 2
pic 3- mazar sharifs- the 4 males are lined up on the left. the 5 females are the rest that are scattered. The shorter 4 plants are a panama x blueberry. I think the blueberry is dominant. Short plants, wide leaves, twisted and deformed leaves also common.
reports:I have mainly smoked the cbd I grew, more my style of high. limited smoking so far on the rest of my stash.
Sinai- medium high. the incense flavor comes through strong. little harsh due to some leaf left behind on the buds.
Yunnan- the smell I loved so much has not come through on the cure to well. maybe my fault? The one time I smoked it was before bed, which didn't help me at all. I got restless, and actually slept weird all night. maybe more of a daytime smoke. I will have to test more later. The smoke is a little harsh also. I think I got these too dry too quick, hence the lack of smell and smoothness. The jitteriness surprised me.
Skunk #1- the finished buds carried over smell and taste quite well. Full flavor, but not skunky. more of a sweet hash. well rounded high as well. a few people I have shared with liked this one.
Jilly Bean- Kind of all over on this one. I have not smoked all 5 plants though. One plant got me ripped, and carried over the smell well. it was the earliest and fluffiest one that was so potent. Others lost a lot of the wonderful smells that were present during growing. one plant had a decent high, but not as strong as others. I think 2 plants carried over that fruit sherbet smell, one went kinda licorice on me when cured, the last two kind of bland.
Senegal- obviously cut way early. The smell of a hashy sweet, touch of fuel still carried through after drying. I just crumbled all the plants together and mix it with some tobacco I grew a while back. very mild high, due to being immature, but I don't mind it.
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Buckeyebandit
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The yunnan I have I think is different from ace offerings. I put the Changshan out and it took a month for them to sex and she is about 2 ft tall. I can flower till end of February early March. I start sativa in late March for full season grows and had ace Malawi x purple haze go till Christmas. Malawi breeders pack ( fem ) can be late October to December.
I will be keeping a eye on your grow as you have a few I am interested in and like your smoke reports
I will be keeping a eye on your grow as you have a few I am interested in and like your smoke reports
thejact55
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They are. The females just got done being pollinated by the four males. Impressed so far with these mazar plants. The males had nice floral structure and the females are really stinky for so early on.
I have also been impressed with the malawi males. A couple of them have a great stem rub smell and much denser floral structures than i expected.
Of your panama x bb i got 3 males, 1 female and the super mutant isnt sure what he/she is lol. I got the females getting hit with malawi pollen.
I have also been impressed with the malawi males. A couple of them have a great stem rub smell and much denser floral structures than i expected.
Of your panama x bb i got 3 males, 1 female and the super mutant isnt sure what he/she is lol. I got the females getting hit with malawi pollen.
it's a hybrid, made by crossing iirc a feral strain from Langtang, Nepal with a modern hybrid (I don't know which)
it's a pity that seedbanks who use landrace strains in their breeding are becoming less and less transparent about what their strains actually are
it causes a lot of confusion, as well as being dishonest
I have been to Langtang - it's a Himalayan region where people produce charas, but mostly for home use as a medicine
it's not a commercial production area
the plants just grow spontaneously - nobody there sows seed
in other words, Langtang is feral Himalayan cannabis
it's not 'rare'
and because it's feral, you'd be lucky to find a Langtang plant with anything higher than single digits THC
Lantang cannabis looks nothing like the obvious hybrids in the Satori photos, and you sure aren't going to find one with 28% THC lol
if you want to create super potent strains by only using landraces then you need to be working with tropical ganja cultivars such as Thai, Kerala, Manipuri, Malawi, or Colombian
so, here are some pictures I took of real Nepali plants from Langtang (iirc in 2009)
the first two are Langtang feral cannabis plants - aka 'jungli', which is what charas is made from there (nobody sows cultivated cannabis strains)
this is the cannabis you see in Langtang
these shots are from equinox, so a few weeks before harvesting starts
below is the only plant I saw in Langtang that showed any signs of looking cultivated - the structure is somewhat more regular... it was growing by a guardpost, so may have been from discarded seeds, rather than spontaneous wild cannabis... but I suspect it is just a more structured looking feral plant
this is Langtang jungli charas
and this is Mandala's Satori, whatever it really is - I'm sure they can tell you, if they choose to
as you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like actual Nepali cannabis from the region in which they say it originates
the first two are Langtang feral cannabis plants - aka 'jungli', which is what charas is made from there (nobody sows cultivated cannabis strains)
this is the cannabis you see in Langtang
these shots are from equinox, so a few weeks before harvesting starts
below is the only plant I saw in Langtang that showed any signs of looking cultivated - the structure is somewhat more regular... it was growing by a guardpost, so may have been from discarded seeds, rather than spontaneous wild cannabis... but I suspect it is just a more structured looking feral plant
this is Langtang jungli charas
and this is Mandala's Satori, whatever it really is - I'm sure they can tell you, if they choose to
as you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like actual Nepali cannabis from the region in which they say it originates
very few seedbanks have anything near clear strain lineage. so thankful for those that do
curious about modern indicas that produce potent plants. would one be right to guess that anything in the %20 range is likely a hybrid with a ganja cultivar?
of course maybe some were improved by selective breeding that produced potent plants from hashish cultivars without hybridization.... seems this would have happened less often. sidetrack!
how's the garden theJact55??
curious about modern indicas that produce potent plants. would one be right to guess that anything in the %20 range is likely a hybrid with a ganja cultivar?
of course maybe some were improved by selective breeding that produced potent plants from hashish cultivars without hybridization.... seems this would have happened less often. sidetrack!
how's the garden theJact55??
thejact55
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Garden is going well Once Upon. Here are some updated photos.
RSC Mazar- Nice plants, all of em. There is one that really stands out though. Took a clone of her. She reaks big time, a berry fuel mix kind of. Rest are still decently stinky. Depending on plant, a hash, sweet or berry smells are present. pic one is group shot, pic 2 is my favorite stinky plant bud.
Ace Malawi- Wow crystal coverage is awesome for so early on a longer flowering plant. Crystals going out on the leaves. the males also produce tight bulky floral clusters. smells are not super formed, some awesome stem rubs, but at this time their is a faint "sativa type" smell, I don't know how to explain it. Pic 3 is male shot, pic 4 is group shot, pic 5 is bud shot.
Cannabiogen Ethiopian (or ace, I can never remember)- Daintier plants with heavy branching lower down. Crystals are just starting to form, one has a citrus tart smell starting to form. rest have no smell yet. Plants seem a little more finicky than others. but all of the issues that all the strains had early on (I blame my soil mix), have basically subsided. Pic 6 is group shot. pic 7 is bud shot. Also the males were decent as well, decent floral structure.
Oh, and the 2 female BB x Panamas- tiny plants, 12/12 from start, but they have been hit with Malawi pollen. The crazy mutant is just that. The other is looking nice, and is a stinky little guy. A sharp tart citrus smell, very nice. last pic is that.
Ya if anyone is touting landrace at that percentage, I move on. 8-12 percent seems normal, maybe 15%. I don't need any more than that anyways. I like a good mellow Nepal plant, smoked a lot of the Malana last year. Friends called it weak, but it was a good fit for me.
Sorry if any pics are sideways, its a pain to change them on this stupid laptop.
RSC Mazar- Nice plants, all of em. There is one that really stands out though. Took a clone of her. She reaks big time, a berry fuel mix kind of. Rest are still decently stinky. Depending on plant, a hash, sweet or berry smells are present. pic one is group shot, pic 2 is my favorite stinky plant bud.
Ace Malawi- Wow crystal coverage is awesome for so early on a longer flowering plant. Crystals going out on the leaves. the males also produce tight bulky floral clusters. smells are not super formed, some awesome stem rubs, but at this time their is a faint "sativa type" smell, I don't know how to explain it. Pic 3 is male shot, pic 4 is group shot, pic 5 is bud shot.
Cannabiogen Ethiopian (or ace, I can never remember)- Daintier plants with heavy branching lower down. Crystals are just starting to form, one has a citrus tart smell starting to form. rest have no smell yet. Plants seem a little more finicky than others. but all of the issues that all the strains had early on (I blame my soil mix), have basically subsided. Pic 6 is group shot. pic 7 is bud shot. Also the males were decent as well, decent floral structure.
Oh, and the 2 female BB x Panamas- tiny plants, 12/12 from start, but they have been hit with Malawi pollen. The crazy mutant is just that. The other is looking nice, and is a stinky little guy. A sharp tart citrus smell, very nice. last pic is that.
Ya if anyone is touting landrace at that percentage, I move on. 8-12 percent seems normal, maybe 15%. I don't need any more than that anyways. I like a good mellow Nepal plant, smoked a lot of the Malana last year. Friends called it weak, but it was a good fit for me.
Sorry if any pics are sideways, its a pain to change them on this stupid laptop.
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thejact55
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Forgot to mention, I just put a 10 pack of DJ short Blueberry into paper towels last night, nothing popped so far. I am going to move the mazar in the same tent as the Ethiopian, and running those in the mazar tent.
Question- I think air kills pollen after some time, right? At this point the males will have been taken out of the tents around 5 days before I move in the mazars. This makes pollen in the tent 5+ days old. I was also going to spray water everywhere, to clean the tent and plants. Do you have any concerns of cross pollination?
I am going to veg blueberry for some time, take clones from all plants, in case any keepers are found. I hope to put that nice mazar clone in their to get some blueberry pollen also. I failed at doing a DJ True Blueberry run a year or so ago, terrible germ rate, weak couple plants. one survived and was male. Hopefully this one doesn't let me down. These seeds are borderline rip-off price wise, and I want the genetics for the future.
Question- I think air kills pollen after some time, right? At this point the males will have been taken out of the tents around 5 days before I move in the mazars. This makes pollen in the tent 5+ days old. I was also going to spray water everywhere, to clean the tent and plants. Do you have any concerns of cross pollination?
I am going to veg blueberry for some time, take clones from all plants, in case any keepers are found. I hope to put that nice mazar clone in their to get some blueberry pollen also. I failed at doing a DJ True Blueberry run a year or so ago, terrible germ rate, weak couple plants. one survived and was male. Hopefully this one doesn't let me down. These seeds are borderline rip-off price wise, and I want the genetics for the future.
for Himalayan charas cultivars, which are some of the milder landraces, I would expect low to high single digit THC to be pretty typical. Though I have seen cannabinoid lab results of low teens THC for the Nanda Devi, found by a grower in Spain who grew only a handful of plants, so more potent specimens are there
The same applies for the Lebanese, and I would guess the Chitrali - I have one report from Spain of a stronger low teen THC Lebanese
I suspect the Mazar-i-Sharif is typically at the more potent end of the charas cultivar spectrum, so relatively easier to find low teen THC plants
Similarly, the Sinai, which seems to have a history of being grown for bud, tends to be more potent - lab results in Holland showed 16% THC and 1.5% CBD in a specimen found from a grow of just a few plants
And in the case of tropical ganja cultivars I would guess that +15% THC is typical of a good plant - the Kerala has several reports of that, and in the case of the Manipuri I think that most plants will be in the high teens THC
