It's the Climate, stupid

[Chi13]

To all those saying that climate change is natural, well yes absolutely it is. No one is denying this, least of all climate scientists. What is argued though, is that current rapid changes are brought about my man.

For those of you who believe this is a hoax, what is so hard to understand? We have 7.5 billion people burning various things for energy (oil, coal, gas, wood, cow dung), and at the same time cutting down forests (such as the Amazon, lungs of the world) and depleting the ocean, all with an atmosphere that effective goes up (I think I read) about 60 miles?

Verdant Green's post above is spot on. It's a culture war unfortunately. After reading about the "inconvenient truth", it took me some years to understand that it was not only the message that was a problem, but the messenger.

There are massive vested interests at play, that are only concerned with maintaining profits for shareholders. Short term profits at the expense of future generations.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The earth will out survive us, we probably won't be the last species alive, life will carry on, but will it ever be intelligent again after us?

i see no sign that it is particularly intelligent now. "beam me up, Scottie!" Albert Einstein once said that "the quality of thinking that got you into a bad spot won't get you out of it..."

 

[unclefishstick]

i think climate change deniers spend most of their lives in climate controlled areas and not much time out in actual nature...i know i've personally seen millions of acre of forest die off from spruce bark beetles after years of unusually warm summers as well as seeing what's happening as the permafrost melts in alaska...here in the desert,the rio grande is just a sandy ditch,they won't let out water until june this year,typically irrigation season starts in march....and all the extreme weather events happening nearly constantly is hard to ignore...without serious cognitive dissonance,or just plain stupidity
#fuckyourbigasspickups

 

[armedoldhippy]

i think climate change deniers spend most of their lives in climate controlled areas and not much time out in actual nature...i know i've personally seen millions of acre of forest die off from spruce bark beetles after years of unusually warm summers as well as seeing what's happening as the permafrost melts in alaska...here in the desert,the rio grande is just a sandy ditch,they won't let out water until june this year,typically irrigation season starts in march....and all the extreme weather events happening nearly constantly is hard to ignore...without serious cognitive dissonance,or just plain stupidity
#fuckyourbigasspickups

spring is earlier nearly every year now. flowers that normally bloom in May are already gone, and the trees are as greened up as they used to be in June. fucking 89 degrees today. i miss spring lasting for 3 months, instead of going straight from February to June...

 

[unclefishstick]

tell me about it...swamp cooler season is from april to november now...more than half the year...i don't even bother firing up the furnace in the winter...we had like 2 weeks of "winter" this year...

 

[Donald Mallard]

yep climate deniers like the chap in the last post of the previous page must walk around with their ears and eyes covered to have not noticed the changes in the last 10 years ,
come down to Australia if u want to have a good look at it , previously unrecorded amounts of forest fire decimating animal species like never before,
record floods well beyond anything seen previously ,
even where i live ,
the wet season comes super late , if it comes at all ,
then it drizzles all winter , when we used to have nice dry weather , i even think thats why they called it the "dry' season ...

if you dont think man with all his pollution both in the air , and sea has anything to do with it , you must not be looking at all , take a look and stop putting your head in the sand because we are all in the same boat ...

 

[Three Berries]

40 to 50 current volcanos going of pales anything mankind is doing. Lets hope we don't get another super volcano like the Siberian Traps that go on for eons.

And Chyna and India are the biggest polluters by far. The US has cut way back on CO2.

I live in corn country and things are better now than anytime I've been alive. But then all I've heard is one dire prediction or another about the climate too for all those years.

Electric cars aren't the answer, at least not for another 50 years. Electric heat in the winter is not he answer, at least for another 50 years. Electric for farming is not the answer at least not for another 50 years. Electric is not he answer for outside power and construction work, at least not for another 50 years.

 

[Brother Nature]

Anyone whose grown outdoors year after year can't possibly be blind to the rapid change in our climate. We're all sup[posed to be growers right? Why not look at it from that perspective. I've never really understood how it's become a political issue, it's literally the world we all live in regardless of what you believe.

 

[Three Berries]

Anyone whose grown outdoors year after year can't possibly be blind to the rapid change in our climate. We're all sup[posed to be growers right? Why not look at it from that perspective. I've never really understood how it's become a political issue, it's literally the world we all live in regardless of what you believe.

I've been growing outdoors for over 40 years. What's changed? Some years wet, some years dry, some years cool, some years hot. But not in that tine has the climate changed so much that I cannot grow something that is native for this area.

In fact the corn yields have exploded over that time frame.

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

RISE OF THE CLIMATE MONARCHY​

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qIIrQ6pRVbUL/

RMS

 

[Donald Mallard]

I've been growing outdoors for over 40 years. What's changed? Some years wet, some years dry, some years cool, some years hot. But not in that tine has the climate changed so much that I cannot grow something that is native for this area.

In fact the corn yields have exploded over that time frame.

its nice your doing so well ,
sadly a lot of others cant say the same thing ,
you obviously live in an area not as affected by these changes ,
but pull your head out of your ass a little and take a look around elsewhere,
enough of this im right and stuff the rest , things are getting dire for some mate... and many have suffered greatly from the sudden extreme changes ...
but your ok , so thats the main thing right??
such an insular twat ....

 

[Chi13]

Scientists Stage Worldwide Climate Change Protests After IPCC Report​

Over 1,000 scientists from 25 countries took part in the Scientist Rebellion’s demonstrations last week

Margaret Osborne
Daily Correspondent
April 13, 2022

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Scientist Rebellion protesters in Berlin, Germany Scientist Rebellion
Over 1,000 scientists from 25 different countries staged protests last week following the release of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s new report. The report warned that rapid and deep cuts to greenhouse gas emissions are necessary by 2025 to avoid catastrophic climate effects.
The group, called the Scientist Rebellion, writes in a letter that “current actions and plans are grossly inadequate, and even these obligations are not being met.” Their protests “highlight the urgency and injustice of the climate and ecological crisis,” per a statement from the organization.

In Los Angeles, scientists including Peter Kalmus, a NASA climate scientist with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, chained themselves to the JP Morgan Chase building.
“We’ve been trying to warn you guys for so many decades,” Kalmus says, his voice shaking. “The scientists of the world have been being ignored. And it’s gotta stop. We’re going to lose everything.”
They were met by about 100 police officers in riot gear and arrested, reports Salon’s Eric Schank.

@moreperfectunion LAPD met four scientists chained to Chase Bank with riot gear and arrested them during a peaceful civil disobedience for climate urgency #nasa #climate #fyp #foryou #scientist #extinctionrebellion ♬ original sound - More Perfect Union

Scientists historically have had differing opinions about becoming activists on topics related to their work, but that has started to change in recent years, reports Chelsea Harvey for E&E News.

Kalmus has written several opinion pieces in the Guardian about climate change, calling for the end of the fossil fuel industry and a switch to renewables.
“It’s now the eleventh hour and I feel terrified for my kids, and terrified for humanity,” he writes in a Guardian op-ed. “I feel deep grief over the loss of forests and corals and diminishing biodiversity. But I’ll keep fighting as hard as I can for this Earth, no matter how bad it gets, because it can always get worse. And it will continue to get worse until we end the fossil fuel industry and the exponential quest for ever more profit at the expense of everything else.”
Scientists around the world expressed similar fears during protests last week, and demanded rapid action to address climate change from their governments.
Scientist Rebellion protesters in Washington, D.C. chained themselves to the White House fence. Spanish scientists threw fake blood over the facade of the National Congress. Panamanian scientists staged demonstrations at various embassies, and German protesters glued themselves to a bridge. In Malawi, scientists held a teach-in at Lilongwe University of Agriculture and Natural Resources, per the Scientist Rebellion statement.

“Listen to the scientists,” Amwanika Sharon, a Scientist Rebellion member protesting oil exploration and refinery construction in Uganda, says to Common Dreams’ Jessica Corbett. “Hear the voices of activists. Climate justice now."

Scientist Rebellion was founded in 2020 by Ph.D. students in Scotland, who were, in part, inspired by the Extinction Rebellion, per the AFP. The Extinction Rebellion is a “movement using non-violent direct action and civil disobedience to persuade governments to act justly on the Climate and Ecological Emergency,” per its website.
"I am not sure this is our last chance, but time is definitely running out," Jordan Cruz, an environmental engineer in Ecuador, writes to the AFP’s Marlowe Hood in an email. "I am terrified," he writes. "But it's the kind of fear that motivates action. It is survival."

The Scientist Rebellion members have led several protests before, including at COP26 in Glasgow, at universities across the U.K. and in front of the Royal Society, per its website. Last year, the organization leaked a draft of the IPCC report.
"Scientists are particularly powerful messengers, and we have a responsibility to show leadership," Charlie Gardner, a conservation scientist at the University of Kent, tells AFP. "We are failing in that responsibility. If we say it's an emergency, we have to act like it is."

Scientists Stage Worldwide Climate Change Protests After IPCC Report

Over 1,000 scientists from 25 countries took part in the Scientist Rebellion’s demonstrations last week

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

yep climate deniers like the chap in the last post of the previous page must walk around with their ears and eyes covered to have not noticed the changes in the last 10 years ,
come down to Australia if u want to have a good look at it , previously unrecorded amounts of forest fire decimating animal species like never before,
record floods well beyond anything seen previously ,
even where i live ,
the wet season comes super late , if it comes at all ,
then it drizzles all winter , when we used to have nice dry weather , i even think thats why they called it the "dry' season ...

if you dont think man with all his pollution both in the air , and sea has anything to do with it , you must not be looking at all , take a look and stop putting your head in the sand because we are all in the same boat ...

The forest fires are arson. Have you ever considered that the world is at war and that advanced weapons of war and weapons systems are being deployed against the sovereign nations of the world by globalists (UN, World Economic forum, World Health Organization, World bank)? What are the odds that all of the crisis we face are both global and invisible?


Consider this:

https://ia802603.us.archive.org/1/items/WeatherAsAForceMultiplier/WeatherAsAForceMultiplier.pdf

These weeapons systems (like biological warfare) are illegal under international law and thus, they can only be deployed with a full scale highly coordinated counter-intelligence and propaganda campaign.

From 1976:

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques - A/RES/31/72 Annex - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques - A/RES/31/72 Annex - an element of the body of UN Documents for earth stewardship and international decades for a culture of peace and non-violence for the children of the world

www.un-documents.net

Do climatologists factor clandestine weather warfare into their climate models?

Why not?

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

As for the charts showing a link between historic (ancient) temperature and CO2; what if the model is off just a tiny bit and the CO2 rises as the earth warmed (not do to CO2). As the earth warms biodiversity increases, thus CO2 rises.

I can't prove it, but I'm highly confident that the models got it backwards. CO2 did not warm the ancient world. The warm ancient world led to an increase in CO2. CO2 is a good thing. Humans do shitty things and can certainly find ways to destroy (even wipe out our own species and many others). But, that does not mean that we are inevitably doomed.

 

[Donald Mallard]

hempy mc ,
there was more than just arson going on during those fires mate ,
since u dont seem to listen much to people either ,
ill just put up some quotes and facts the same as you do ,
those last bushfires were unprecendened mate , there has been nothing even close to that sort of devastation before ,just shrugging it off by saying it was arson is not just insensitive, but pretty ignorant..
did u just read a line from some news report that said that mate as ive seen you do similar with regards to what happens in Australia before and it was wrong then as it is now ..

The 2019-2020 burnt an almost continuous 1,160 km from south east Queensland to eastern Victoria, encompassing 7.04 million hectares of land, of which 5.7 million hectares of forest and woodland was burnt, devastating Australian communities and killing and injuring an estimated three billion animals.

BUSHFIRE FACTS

Bushfires and the facts - a series of science based research reports examining Australian bushfires and the conditions that are making them worse.

www.bushfirefacts.org

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

hempy mc ,
there was more than just arson going on during those fires mate ,
since u dont seem to listen much to people either ,
ill just put up some quotes and facts the same as you do ,
those last bushfires were unprecendened mate , there has been nothing even close to that sort of devastation before ,just shrugging it off by saying it was arson is not just insensitive, but pretty ignorant..
did u just read a line from some news report that said that mate as ive seen you do similar with regards to what happens in Australia before and it was wrong then as it is now ..

The 2019-2020 burnt an almost continuous 1,160 km from south east Queensland to eastern Victoria, encompassing 7.04 million hectares of land, of which 5.7 million hectares of forest and woodland was burnt, devastating Australian communities and killing and injuring an estimated three billion animals.

BUSHFIRE FACTS

Bushfires and the facts - a series of science based research reports examining Australian bushfires and the conditions that are making them worse.

www.bushfirefacts.org

It was a coordinated arson. I covered it extensively at the time, here in Speaker's Corner (as well as the wave of "wildfires" that raged in the western US in 2020 (big election year in US).

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Do climatologists factor clandestine weather warfare into their climate models?

Why not?

Seems like no one ever wants to answer this.^

 

[Ipotato]

Climate models just don't work they never have they are just for complex for the computers today. Forest fires are mostly because of the environmentalists there used to be smaller burn offs to make them manageable but cute poor animals died and there was an outcry in the press so they stopped so now we have the giant ones instead. Also importing eucalyptus that depends on fires for propagation (volatile oils in the leaves) was not smart.

 

[Donald Mallard]

It was a coordinated arson. I covered it extensively at the time, here in Speaker's Corner (as well as the wave of "wildfires" that raged in the western US in 2020 (big election year in US).

thats maybe what it was there , but that wasnt the case here ,
i believe the proved one case of arson , but little more ,
here is the more official version rather than the glazed over inaccurate hempy version ,
almost something with that name that suggests inaccuracies for me ... lol ..

In recent times most major bush fires have been started in remote areas by dry lightning. Some reports indicate that a changing climate could also be contributing to the ferocity of the 2019–20 fires with hotter, drier conditions making the country's fire season longer and much more dangerous.

see we dont have arsonists running all around the country here, in fact most of the population lives along the coast , away from where a lot of these fires even started ,
you may be able to surmise about what happens where you live , but dont try doing it in foreign places like Australia by simply using a few lines from an inaccurate report or posting because you are likely to be wrong , as you are here..

 

[chilliwilli]

Don't worry, Mother Nature will take care of everything, she always does!

If she is clever she will get rid of the humans