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It's the Climate, stupid

Hempy McNoodle

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so the whole world is going on about nothing it seems ,
and of course man hasnt added to this problem by any means despite the massive amounts of carbon gasses he emits through industry etc ,
maybe we will all just grow bigger and plants will be happier right??
Why aren't plants getting bigger?
 

brickweeder

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The climate now is not substantively different than when I was a kid 40 years ago, although the smog situation is much better now than back then. The kids growing up now will probably not notice a difference in the climate 40 years from now, although they may experience a nuclear winter in the interim.

The climate is like geology, substantive changes occur as fast as frozen molasses.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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More meme 'science'?

Just as a starting point, cows breathe 24/7, while very few automobiles run 24/7. The cow never ceases emitting CO2, and the grain grown to feed the cow/steer is a part of the equation, too.

There's LOTS of research from valid, credible sources that define the impact of beef farming on the atmosphere and environment.
Weren't there millions or billions of Bison naturally occurring in North America. Is their displacement factored in?
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
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More meme 'science'?

Just as a starting point, cows breathe 24/7, while very few automobiles run 24/7. The cow never ceases emitting CO2, and the grain grown to feed the cow/steer is a part of the equation, too.

There's LOTS of research from valid, credible sources that define the impact of beef farming on the atmosphere and environment.
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moose eater

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Weren't there millions or billions of Bison naturally occurring in North America. Is their displacement factored in?
How many humans were on the planet at that time? There were about 30 million bison estimated to have been present on the planet at the high point, per my brief reading. we're now going on 8 billion people. Carbon emissions are carbon emissions, whether from a frothing wet steaming snout, or from an animal. And the bison ate wild range grub, not intensely produced hay or grains.
 

moose eater

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Don't know where the graph's from, but the folks at Yale have some interesting information to add to the issue. And they don't necessarily agree.

 

Hempy McNoodle

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How many humans were on the planet at that time? There were about 30 million bison estimated to have been present on the planet at the high point, per my brief reading. we're now going on 8 billion people. Carbon emissions are carbon emissions, whether from a frothing wet steaming snout, or from an animal. And the bison ate wild range grub, not intensely produced hay or grains.
I wonder how many cattle there are in north america. 8 billion people aren't that many. Besides no one is claiming that it is our respiration that is the problem (although, lets be honest, that is what it is all about) ultimately there are too many bread gobblers for Bill Gates and Claus Schwab's liking.

As for the intensely planted grasses, don't those help scrub CO2 from the atmosphere to some degree? You make it sound like a bad thing (climate changewise).
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
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Weren't there millions or billions of Bison naturally occurring in North America. Is their displacement factored in?
Killed to starve the native Americans.They're all methane producers, but in the meantime fertilized the fields where they were walking on.

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dangerously low for whom?? humans appeared right at the end of the graph .. id reckon that graph is a little misleading and not totally accurate either ...
For us, unless you're able to survive in an ice age.Lower activity of the sun in combination with a lower CO2 level will bring a new ice age.
 

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