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It's the Climate, stupid

Three Berries

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A coral reef is a dynamic system well attended by Mother Nature. Coral reefs flourish in tropical seas around the world, including the iconic GBR. Some are under duress, others not.

The persistence of coral over geologic time should command our attention even as certain factors appear to threaten its prospects. Resilient coral managed to survive the great global die-off, the cosmic event that rendered dinosaurs and many large animal species extinct some 66 million years ago.

Alarmists cite two principal threats to today’s GBR: 1) thermal bleaching alleged from climate change and 2) fictional ocean acidification mistakenly attributed to excess carbon dioxide being dissolved in sea water, as atmospheric CO2 increases.
 

Three Berries

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Lake Michigan too low-Climate Change!
Lake Michigan too high- Climate Change!
Lake Michigan normal-Climate Change!

Lake Michigan water levels have dropped to near normal, so yet another climate explanation emerges

https://wirepoints.org/lake-michigan...es-wirepoints/


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mexcurandero420

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Your electric car is very sustainable & environmental friendly after 434.959 Miles.

Electric car is only greener than a petrol car after 700,000 kilometers'​

Electric cars are better for the environment than petrol cars, but they have to drive a lot of miles before that. The so-called tipping point is much higher than expected. This is apparent from calculations by Professor Damien Ernst of the University of Liège.

Erik Kouwenhoven 08-03-19, 15:01Last update: 08-03-19, 15:57Source: AD.nl - Autogids
 

Three Berries

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I'm doing my part!!!! Talked to the electric coop last night about getting some used poles and they are eager to give me all I want as they replace them. left for a few minutes this morning and they were sitting outside with two poles and the cross ties from an accident up the road. He said they have to land fill them if they can't find someone who wants them.

I got about 50 foot of pond bank I need to terrace off in three levels.
 

Three Berries

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Coastal cities around the world are sinking much faster than sea level is rising


New satellite data shows that in many coastal cities around the world, land is subsiding even faster than sea level is rising. In other words, coastal cities will not disappear because of sea level rise, but because they are sinking underground…

In the next few years, Indonesia will start moving its capital city from one island, Java, to another, Kalimantan, the Indonesian part of Borneo. There are a few reasons for the move, but one of the biggest is that the country’s current capital, Jakarta, is sinking at an alarming rate. By the middle of this century, one-third of the city will be underwater.

It would be easy to mistake Jakarta’s pending demise as the work of sea level rise. Yet the city’s decline is actually being driven by another force — land subsidence spurred by groundwater extraction.
 

Chi13

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New data reveals extraordinary global heating in the Arctic​

Temperatures in the Barents Sea region are ‘off the scale’ and may affect extreme weather in the US and Europe
A fishing boat at sea with a snowy hill in the background

Data shows the North Barents Sea is the fastest warming place known on Earth. Photograph: Alister Doyle/Reuters

Damian Carrington Environment editor
@dpcarrington
Wed 15 Jun 2022 19.00 AEST

New data has revealed extraordinary rates of global heating in the Arctic, up to seven times faster than the global average.
The heating is occurring in the North Barents Sea, a region where fast rising temperatures are suspected to trigger increases in extreme weather in North America, Europe and Asia. The researchers said the heating in this region was an “early warning” of what could happen across the rest of the Arctic.

The new figures show annual average temperatures in the area are rising across the year by up to 2.7C a decade, with particularly high rises in the months of autumn of up to 4C a decade. This makes the North Barents Sea and its islands the fastest warming place known on Earth.
Recent years have seen temperatures far above average recorded in the Arctic, with seasoned observers describing the situation as “crazy”, “weird”, and “simply shocking”. Some climate scientists have warned the unprecedented events could signal faster and more abrupt climate breakdown.
It was already known that the climate crisis was driving heating across the Arctic three times faster than the global average, but the new research shows the situation is even more extreme in places.
Sea ice is good at reflecting sunlight but is melting away. This allows the darker ocean below to absorb more energy. Losing sea ice also means it no longer restricts the ability of warmer sea waters to heat up the Arctic air. The more ice is lost, the more heat accumulates, forming a feedback loop.
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“We expected to see strong warming, but not on the scale we found,” said Ketil Isaksen, senior researched at the Norwegian Meteorological Institute and who led the work. “We were all surprised. From what we know from all other observation points on the globe, these are the highest warming rates we have observed so far.”
“The broader message is that the feedback of melting sea ice is even higher than previously shown,” he said. “This is an early warning for what’s happening in the rest of the Arctic if this melting continues, and what is most likely to happen in the next decades.” The world’s scientists said in April that immediate and deep cuts to carbon emissions and other greenhouse gases are needed to tackle the climate emergency.
“This study shows that even the best possible models have been underestimating the rate of warming in the Barents Sea,” said Dr Ruth Mottram, climate scientist at the Danish Meteorological Institute, and not part of the team. “We seem to be seeing it shifting to a new regime, as it becomes less like the Arctic and more like the North Atlantic. It’s really on the edge right now and it seems unlikely that sea ice will persist in this region for much longer.”
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The research, published in the journal Scientific Reports, is based on data from automatic weather stations on the islands of Svalbard and Franz Josef Land. Until now, this had not been through the standard quality control process and made public.
The result was a high-quality set of surface air temperature measurements from 1981 to 2020. The researchers concluded: “The regional warming rate for the Northern Barents Sea region is exceptional and corresponds to 2 to 2.5 times the Arctic warming averages and 5 to 7 times the global warming averages.”
There was a very strong correlation over time between air temperature, sea ice loss and ocean temperature. Isaksen said the rapid temperature rise would have a very big impact on ecosystems: “For instance, here in Oslo, we have a temperature rise of 0.4C a decade and people really feel the disappearing snow conditions during winter. But what’s happening in the far north is off the scale.”


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Isaksen said the new information on heating rates in the area would help research by other scientists on how changes in the Arctic affect extreme weather in populous areas at lower latitudes. There is evidence that the rapid heating changes the jet stream winds that encircle the pole and influence extreme weather.
“Sea ice loss and warming in the Barents Sea in particular have been isolated in previous work as being especially relevant to changes in winter-time atmospheric circulation that are tied to extreme winter weather events,” said Prof Michael Mann, from Pennsylvania State University, US. “If this mechanism is valid, and there’s some debate over that, then this is yet another way climate change could be increasing certain types of extreme weather events [and which] isn’t well captured by current models.”
 

Microbeman

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Michael Moore's controversial film 'Planet of the Humans'...


Thanks for providing but
Natural gas; They fail to mention that it is far less harmful to humans and the planet than coal
There is a highly negative agenda especially from the ditsy blondie/white haired woman - what does she know?
Become a robot like me.
An obvious solution is hemp/cannabis - not mentioned
And burning our own garbage not mentioned - duh!!!
Cities and corporations are the main problem - people who think 'oh I'll get a nice job" instead of 'here is what I can do and provide to my neighbor' is the main problem - factory farms - move to the country, take care of your neighbor

Microbes of course are easily the solution to energy production and storage; see my previous post.

An emotional film, lacking in facts. Especially the bullshit ape stuff at the end.
 

Chi13

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I see a few of you might have misunderstood the title. It comes from a quote; "it's the economy, stupid", by a political strategist (James Carville, had to look it up). I have always thought of the environment as more important than the economy, as the economy is ultimately dependent on the environment. We can't eat the economy. Losing natural resources will ultimately produce a cost. Nor can we continue to mine and burn finite resources indefinitely.

I have a few people on ignore so have missed much of the replies. For the sake of the thread I will look at all that has been posted. Doesn't mean I will reply as some of it reminds me why I had you on ignore in the first place. Whether or not you believe in climate change, it is heartening to see that at least some of you are aware of the issues that pollution cause.
 

Chi13

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Yeah, but if you use renewables to produce that power (wind, solar) then you are at least reducing emissions. I am aware that emissions, and mining are involved in producing solar panels, wind turbines, batteries, cars, etc, hence I say "reducing". The difference overall in a vehicle that is built to run on petrol, or electricity has an overall impact over the life of the vehicle. There's a lot involved in working out that impact.
 

Three Berries

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No way are we even close by 50 years to provide enough power with renewables.

CO2 is not the problem the climate change group is really interested in. It's too many people.
 

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