It's the Climate, stupid

[moose eater]

If all you got is windmills and solar panels they yes why even bother. Both need 100% load backup from somewhere, and batteries isn't it either. And if either were a viable source for full time use there would be no need for subsidies.

I'm all for renewable that is local or individual level but we aren't there yet for utility wide scale. Let me know when they start using Tesla's patents. or beam energy from space.

And then you still are dependent on the feed coming to your house or business. In the end electricity is not an primary energy source as it always needs some other means to be generated and cannot be easily stored. You will be at the mercy of the electric company.

If you lived around the windfarms you would not want them either. Same with the transmission lines. In Illinois it's up the county zoning.

Do you believe that the automobiles of the 1930s display the same efficiency as the automobiles made in the New Millenium? Because it seems like you're saying that the shortcomings of the current sources or methods of green energy are as good as it gets, and there's no use in furthering that effort; it's all it'll ever be.

To accept that would be to deny history, and the development of nearly every form of tech we've ever had the opportunity to study the evolution of.

 

[moose eater]

The solution is fairly simple. Each property needs to have its own source of power generation, be it solar, wind or water. This is being used brilliantly in many locations.
I designed a system for a farm some years back where tractors could be converted to electric with battery banks being charged by solar and gases produced by farming residue (leaving valuable compost behind).
Wind and solar 'farms' are IMO a little inefficient.

There were articles re. small hydrogen generators designed to provide power for buildings/apartment complexes in Japan a decade or so ago. Don't know what happened to that. I assume they're still there. No real idea what deficiencies they may have had.

 

[Microbeman]

There were articles re. small hydrogen generators designed to provide power for buildings/apartment complexes in Japan a decade or so ago. Don't know what happened to that. I assume they're still there. No real idea what deficiencies they may have had.

This more in response to 3 Berries but I can weld for a short duration (e.g. 20-30 minutes) with solar energy stored in 4 AGM 12 volt deep cycle batteries. I'm certain that this can be (has been) improved on vastly.

 

[Three Berries]

This more in response to 3 Berries but I can weld for a short duration (e.g. 20-30 minutes) with solar energy stored in 4 AGM 12 volt deep cycle batteries. I'm certain that this can be (has been) improved on vastly.

Might run my small tent for 6 hours. LOL......

 

[Ipotato]

If all you got is windmills and solar panels they yes why even bother. Both need 100% load backup from somewhere, and batteries isn't it either. And if either were a viable source for full time use there would be no need for subsidies.

I'm all for renewable that is local or individual level but we aren't there yet for utility wide scale. Let me know when they start using Tesla's patents. or beam energy from space.

And then you still are dependent on the feed coming to your house or business. In the end electricity is not an primary energy source as it always needs some other means to be generated and cannot be easily stored. You will be at the mercy of the electric company.

If you lived around the windfarms you would not want them either. Same with the transmission lines. In Illinois it's up the county zoning.

Try living near those windmills with the constant grinding noise as your life's soundtrack

 

[Three Berries]

Try living near those windmills with the constant grinding noise as your life's soundtrack

Or the shadow flicker, or the over the air TV disruption.

They have approved three big solar farms in my county but haven't done anything with them in 3 years. Don't know what the deal is. The last wind farm they put in they waited until it was almost done and then when to get the right of way for the transmission towers; they got raped by the farmers and some wouldn't even have them on their land.

 

[moose eater]

This more in response to 3 Berries but I can weld for a short duration (e.g. 20-30 minutes) with solar energy stored in 4 AGM 12 volt deep cycle batteries. I'm certain that this can be (has been) improved on vastly.

I had a friend (former friend) in the bush who used to run a series of the Honda EU 2000 inverter, low-decibel generators, and he got turned onto the Bluetti (portable and some not-so-portable) solar generators, and even during the tail end of our diminished hours of light in later winter, he was harvesting a fairly steady flow of electricity. He was running a lot of his (limited) power from the thing, including some grow lights.

They are made in a variety of capacities/outputs.

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[Donald Mallard]

Might run my small tent for 6 hours. LOL......

now there is an answer for that , its efficient and renewable ,
here we use the sun to grow cannabis ,,,
hahaha ,
i agree with the other posters , we will get better at providing sources of alternate energy, we have too , we cant keep burning fossil fuels ...

 

[Three Berries]

now there is an answer for that , its efficient and renewable ,
here we use the sun to grow cannabis ,,,
hahaha ,
i agree with the other posters , we will get better at providing sources of alternate energy, we have too , we cant keep burning fossil fuels ...

The Planet has been creating and burning fossil fuels for as long as it's been around.

Just why can't we keep burning them? Just where is the climate change? Would you consider the Dust Bowl years (1930s USA) as climate change or man made?

 

[Donald Mallard]

ya ever been in a plane over some country like thailand , or many others , and seen the massive amount of smog that hangs over the cities , and you barely leave it from one city before u get to the smog from the next ,
and you think this does nothing , and is somehow the same as natural events?
you should try debating some scientists they would probably want to beat you with a stick before long with your stubborn cave man attitude and opinions ...
the rest of us on here might gladly hold you still so they can ....

im starting to build this electricity producing hamster cage and its got your name on it 3 , run berry , run ....

 

[Three Berries]

ya ever been in a plane over some country like thailand , or many others , and seen the massive amount of smog that hangs over the cities , and you barely leave it from one city before u get to the smog from the next ,
and you think this does nothing , and is somehow the same as natural events?
you should try debating some scientists they would probably want to beat you with a stick before long with your stubborn cave man attitude and opinions ...
the rest of us on here might gladly hold you still so they can ....

im starting to build this electricity producing hamster cage and its got your name on it 3 , run berry , run ....

And it's because they are burring the worst possible fuel. Coke or similar. And maybe you should learn just how much pollution one volcano can make. And really bad stuff too with the sulfur.

Anywhere you have a large concentration of people you are going to have air pollution.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The Planet has been creating and burning fossil fuels for as long as it's been around.

Just why can't we keep burning them? Just where is the climate change? Would you consider the Dust Bowl years (1930s USA) as climate change or man made?

where is the planet burning fossil fuels? we are using up those very fuels at a much faster rate than the planet could possibly keep up with, even if it WAS still making them. "just where is the climate change? " check out photos of glaciers from just twenty years ago to pix today. nobody in the sciences deny that change is taking place, the argument is on how responsible humans are for accelerating that change. sea levels ARE rising, high tides are reaching new levels, warmer ocean water makes more and more dangerous hurricanes. the Dust Bowl years, many scientists say, was largely the result of plowing ground for crops in areas that did not have enough annual rainfall most years to hold the topsoil together, ergo the winds stripping the dry plowed topsoil away. "just why can't we keep burning them?" quite possibly the most clueless question i have heard in decades. "mommy, why CAN'T i have a pony?" LOL!

 

[unclefishstick]

true story,arguing with idiots about climate change online just burns more irreplaceable electrons!

 

[Three Berries]

Glaciers been growing and shrinking for eons. Ever heard of ice age.....
Volcanoes and subduction zones consume whatever is around including fossil fuels. LOL

And poor soil management is somehow climate change? Another LOL....

 

[armedoldhippy]

true story,arguing with idiots about climate change online just burns more irreplaceable electrons!

i know. not much more rewarding than discussing economics with my dog...

 

[armedoldhippy]

And poor soil management is somehow climate change? Another LOL....

nobody said that. a piss-poor excuse for a strawman you have there. yup, i've heard of ice ages. you missed the point again, and no-i'm not gonna restate it so your simple mind understands it. volcanoes EXPEL , not intake. subduction zones intake, but nowhere near fast enough to keep Exxon as a profitable enterprise for eternity. here's a hint - what oil and gas that there is, will last a fuckload longer if we quit trying to power EVERYTHING with it.

 

[Brother Nature]

Yes, sad; they are one of my favorite birds, many evenings being a great source of entertainment as the sunlight faded. It is amazing that their migration path takes them from as far north as Alaska to the rain forests of South America. There are many bird species in rapid decline, caused by mankind's greed; clearcutting forests, belching fumes, using pesticides, over-harvesting natural resources - on and on.

As mentioned previously, in my youth the skies were filled frequently with spectacular murmurations of various species; lost probably forever.

Some may try separating out climate change from these other issues but in reality they are interconnected. Rapid climate change is not about a carbon tax, no matter how much some would love it to be so; And so what if it happened previously?

<sarcasm>

C'mon mate, this is fake news, and I know this because I can look out my window and see a bunch of birds in the trees outside. Wake up sheeple, stop buying the liberal fetus-eater lies.

Oh, and birds aren't even real anymore, the reason you see less in the US is that they've slowly been replaced by government controlled drones.

</sarcasm>

 

[armedoldhippy]

Well they have been talking about oil running out for as long as they have been talking about the climate changing. And they keep finding more oil and keep changing the climate narrative.

So where is the electricity going to come from? Illinois didn't even include their 11 nukes in their recent climate change legislation. How many windmills do you need for a 1GW generator that runs at 95% 24/7?

they are discovering previously undiscovered fields. it is not "new" oil. the climate narrative changes as those scientists studying it learn more. knowledge is not learned all at once & perfected, with nothing new to report over time unfortunately. intelligent people learn, dumbasses deny there is anything TO learn. "let's just keep on keepin' on...yeah, i know. it didn't work the first ten times. but i got a good feeling 'bout this next one. hold my beer and watch this..."

 

[armedoldhippy]

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well, you finally worked in a murmuration, i see...

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

ya ever been in a plane over some country like thailand , or many others , and seen the massive amount of smog that hangs over the cities , and you barely leave it from one city before u get to the smog from the next ,
and you think this does nothing , and is somehow the same as natural events?
you should try debating some scientists they would probably want to beat you with a stick before long with your stubborn cave man attitude and opinions ...
the rest of us on here might gladly hold you still so they can ....

im starting to build this electricity producing hamster cage and its got your name on it 3 , run berry , run ....

I've noticed that Climatophobes often conflate air pollution with CO2 climate change (greenhouse gas theory). People don't worry about real pollution anymore, just CO2 (the phantom menace). But, I'm the unscientific one, right?