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Isomerization of Honey Oil - budder
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Keep up the good work, this kind of info needs to be out there. i personaly am not planning to try it out. i know my curant limits lol. these kind of things need to be showed to one before i'd feel comfortable trying it out. but i'd just love to try some of that end product, bring/send some to the next 420, lol.
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@Sub Nl : I had contact with Motorhippie. He told me that he's relaxing and taking a break on the weedboards (= canna forums on www). This includes not responding this topic.
That's a pity, coz (just like SpaceGhost) he did have some experience with isomerization. I'll do my best to describe his opinion on this subject :
- Why bother, doin' such an effort (expensive, difficult and sometimes even dangereous work), while the endproduct is increased in potency from 1 to 5%. This minding that it's difficult to feel the difference using an oil with 85%THC or some with 88%.
- For the smell and the taste he goes without doubt for BHO, he's also reminding me/us that BHO is potent enough
- He make the remark that his experience is influence by the low cbd/cbn levels in our european/US weed.
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something to think about.
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That's a pity, coz (just like SpaceGhost) he did have some experience with isomerization. I'll do my best to describe his opinion on this subject :
- Why bother, doin' such an effort (expensive, difficult and sometimes even dangereous work), while the endproduct is increased in potency from 1 to 5%. This minding that it's difficult to feel the difference using an oil with 85%THC or some with 88%.
- For the smell and the taste he goes without doubt for BHO, he's also reminding me/us that BHO is potent enough
- He make the remark that his experience is influence by the low cbd/cbn levels in our european/US weed.
...
something to think about.
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OG Royal Grower
Damn this shits blowing my mind 
, i need to chill out 
, maybe get some budder...
, i need to chill out , maybe get some budder...
jimbob420 said:
reigneth supremeth!
Sub NL,
First of all Isomerization of Cannabis products is a waste of time if the plant material has little CBD, as most Western bred Cannabis is found to be.
Second Isomerization converts CBD to THC not THC9 to THC6. THC6 more commonly called THC8 nowadays, is not as potent as THC9.
Third, THCV is not psychoactive and in fact is an THC antagonist.
Every year or two some newbee finds this "lost" isomerization info and hopes to save the world with the strongest product in the world, by posting the old wrong info on a pot forum. Join the crowd.
-SamS
First of all Isomerization of Cannabis products is a waste of time if the plant material has little CBD, as most Western bred Cannabis is found to be.
Second Isomerization converts CBD to THC not THC9 to THC6. THC6 more commonly called THC8 nowadays, is not as potent as THC9.
Third, THCV is not psychoactive and in fact is an THC antagonist.
Every year or two some newbee finds this "lost" isomerization info and hopes to save the world with the strongest product in the world, by posting the old wrong info on a pot forum. Join the crowd.
-SamS
harsh but true.
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wow yeah go with bho!
idontgivenames
Member
lol. that works? i used to piss all over my backyard and everywhere i pissed, the grass died. i even wrote my name in dead grass stains. this would be a good experiment with a mids plant though. idk how comfortable i'd be handling it, but still...
lots of people use piss for fertilizer.
I have never smoked THC acetate, so I can't say for sure. What I can say for sure is that even pure THC is not as good as 60% THC with the right terpenoids. That said I would be surprised if pure THC acetate is as good as 60% THC with the right terpenoids. Remember that THC acetate is not found in plants in nature, it is man made.
I have never talked to anyone that has made or used THC acetate, have you?
Here is a paper infering that THC acetate is not very potent.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2850933&dopt=Abstract
-SamS
I have never talked to anyone that has made or used THC acetate, have you?
Here is a paper infering that THC acetate is not very potent.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2850933&dopt=Abstract
-SamS
Hi Sam,
Thanks for your answer.
From my expirience, I'm agree with you that the best high is a combination of thc and terpenoids. (I checked something that suppose to be pure thc maded by a chemist and wasn't as potent as my bho).
But since I read the famous book (Cannabis Alchemy) in wich they talk about the isomerization and the acetate, I wanted to check it. I have a small lab equipment and I checked the isomerization a few years ago (before to know that was a waste of time) and I could mention by myself that was a waste (no more potent and with worse taste. most of the terpenoids were evaporated). So, from your confirmation about the isomerization,I wanted to know if it deserve to attempt the Acetate. I also never ear or talked to anyone that made or used it.
I recentely got an HPLC (I still need the columns and the standars) and I've access to a lab in wich I can attempt the THC Acetate. I just wanted to know if it deserve. My idea is to mix Thc Acetate and bho. That way I can add terpenoids to the Acetate and to get something that suppose to be strongger than bho and 60%thc+terpenoids.
When you talk about your mix of thc and terpenoids in a relation of 60/40, is because you analize your extraction or because you made pure thc and then you mix it with pure terpenoids? I mean, you said "right terpenoids", not all of terpenoids that the plant has. That makes me think that, or you isolate somehow the terpenoids that you experienced are the ones that interact with thc in the way you like it and after you mix it, or you know the way to extract directly the thc and the selected terpenoids in the same process from the plant?
Thanks again.
Peace.
Thanks for your answer.
From my expirience, I'm agree with you that the best high is a combination of thc and terpenoids. (I checked something that suppose to be pure thc maded by a chemist and wasn't as potent as my bho).
But since I read the famous book (Cannabis Alchemy) in wich they talk about the isomerization and the acetate, I wanted to check it. I have a small lab equipment and I checked the isomerization a few years ago (before to know that was a waste of time) and I could mention by myself that was a waste (no more potent and with worse taste. most of the terpenoids were evaporated). So, from your confirmation about the isomerization,I wanted to know if it deserve to attempt the Acetate. I also never ear or talked to anyone that made or used it.
I recentely got an HPLC (I still need the columns and the standars) and I've access to a lab in wich I can attempt the THC Acetate. I just wanted to know if it deserve. My idea is to mix Thc Acetate and bho. That way I can add terpenoids to the Acetate and to get something that suppose to be strongger than bho and 60%thc+terpenoids.
When you talk about your mix of thc and terpenoids in a relation of 60/40, is because you analize your extraction or because you made pure thc and then you mix it with pure terpenoids? I mean, you said "right terpenoids", not all of terpenoids that the plant has. That makes me think that, or you isolate somehow the terpenoids that you experienced are the ones that interact with thc in the way you like it and after you mix it, or you know the way to extract directly the thc and the selected terpenoids in the same process from the plant?
Thanks again.
Peace.
No, I just meant resin with the right terpenoids that you prefer. The resin is about 60% THC by weight. I never said 60/40, 40% any terpenoid would be way way way to much. I mean the right terpenoids being the ones that you like in your favorite varieties of herbal Cannabis or resin. I do have pure THC but I do not like it at all, it is boring.
The bottom line is you want lots of taste and smells, it is what makes the highs so great and unique and individual.
-SamS
The bottom line is you want lots of taste and smells, it is what makes the highs so great and unique and individual.
-SamS
Hi again,
I remember that you post on OG a few lines explaining your theory about the type of high. As I remember, you said that what makes the difference is the relation between the thc and the different terpenoids and no the relation between the thc and cbd.
I would like to expose something that I experienced and the theory that I got from it.
I grew a big oasis (new version of Northern Lights) plant outdoor (1,5 kg aprox). That way I had enought prime material to experiment. I cured it for one year. Then:
- I smoke the grass -> really narcotic
- I made a water extraction -> really narcotic
- I made bho -> really cerebral and psiquedelic!!!
My conclusion is that, at least in this variety or plant, the mix of terpenoids combined with thc makes a narcotic high but
during the process of bho many of the terpenoids evaporates (but a lot still there because it's tasty and smelly) and the ones that left makes a cerebral high.
I could say that the terpenoids that produce a narcotic high are more volatile than the ones that produce a cerebral high.
What do you think?
Peace.
I remember that you post on OG a few lines explaining your theory about the type of high. As I remember, you said that what makes the difference is the relation between the thc and the different terpenoids and no the relation between the thc and cbd.
I would like to expose something that I experienced and the theory that I got from it.
I grew a big oasis (new version of Northern Lights) plant outdoor (1,5 kg aprox). That way I had enought prime material to experiment. I cured it for one year. Then:
- I smoke the grass -> really narcotic
- I made a water extraction -> really narcotic
- I made bho -> really cerebral and psiquedelic!!!
My conclusion is that, at least in this variety or plant, the mix of terpenoids combined with thc makes a narcotic high but
during the process of bho many of the terpenoids evaporates (but a lot still there because it's tasty and smelly) and the ones that left makes a cerebral high.
I could say that the terpenoids that produce a narcotic high are more volatile than the ones that produce a cerebral high.
What do you think?
Peace.
