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Is it possible that reality is not what you think?...yes?/no?...lol

Is it possible that reality is not what you think?...yes?/no?...lol


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southflorida

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we are because but we aren't because we contain a mind that creates and houses a consciousness but we have the freewill to take ownership of it, or not

from my perspective, we are actually a consciousness that houses a mind, and this mind imagines itself to be a body/mind combo, and is quite busy surviving physically (1%) and socially (99%).

Consciousness is primary, while the mind is secondary. Without Consciousness there wouldn't and couldn't be a mind or a body, or anything else for that matter :)

Fundamentally, Consciousness is all there is, but this is when we are talking about Absolutes, and not relatively.

there is no doubt that the biggest false assumption that the majority of humanity still believes/assumes is that they are a separate body/mind/self.

this is the root of all addiction and all the other suffering that is currently a major part of the human condition.

:tiphat:
 

Eighths-n-Aces

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southflorida

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remember belief does not equate truth

no doubt, the only reason we have beliefs is because we don't know the truth, or don't want to accept the truth.

we are already part of the true universe its our minds that allow us to think otherwise

are you calling consciousness -->> the universe? I'm asking because from my perspective, the universe exists in our imagination, inside our mind. The universe is something we perceive, it is not true, in and of itself.

While Consciousness is fundamental. It is true in and of itself.

I mean, the only thing we can't doubt is that "we" exist.

And by we, I do mean "I" as I am conscious.

If I am not conscious, there is no Universe or anything else.

Each of us can only be sure something exists because we are conscious. So Consciousness is fundamental. This has to do with our "direct experience" and not what scientists or sages, or anyone else says.

We can directly experience that "I am" "I exist" or "I'm conscious"

We don't need hearsay or any second-hand information to be aware of this.
 

Stoner4Life

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every time I read through this thread it leaves me with doubt as to whether or not I'll see my own reflection when I look into the mirror.......

 

southflorida

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every time I read through this thread it leaves me with doubt as to whether or not I'll see my own reflection when I look into the mirror.......


Hi S4L. You will not turn into a vampire after reading this...I promise.

Fundamentally nothing changes, the mind continues to imagine our body and the Universe.

What can change, is that you might realize that you are not really a body/mind, but instead the Consciousness from which the mind arises and imagines the body.

It's just a change of perspective.

But, it really makes life a true miracle that it is.

Just imagine everything that you have ever seen, heard, felt, smelled, and tasted has occured in your mind.

...isn't that a trip? :tiphat:
 

LEF

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there is no doubt that the biggest false assumption that the majority of humanity still believes/assumes is that they are a separate body/mind/self.

Are you saying that we are everything, that we are just one ?
Because you talk about seperations, and then you talk about consciousness.

Okay, so we are not seperate, so what ? what now ?


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]u got that right, and that's what this reality we are perceiving is - FICTION.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]but who are you to say what is and what isn't fiction

you can believe anything you want

wouldn't you say it's mindgames like you talk about ?
 

southflorida

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Are you saying that we are everything, that we are just one ?
Because you talk about seperations, and then you talk about consciousness.

We (individual humans) are distinctions inside of One Consciousness.

Similar to a blood cell inside the One Human Body, if we use an analogy.

So while there is no true separation, there is distinction.

In fact, it is only because of the distinctions inside of Consciousness that this imagined Universe and everything in it "seems" to exist.

Distinction is a function of Consciousness.

Distinction is what something is not, it is what makes something different (distinct) from everything else.

Think about it, if there were no distinctions, there would be nothing.

The differences in the Universe are what make it what it is.

And since it is we, who make distinctions in our Consciousness, this also points at the fact that we are Consciousness.

Okay, so we are not seperate, so what ? what now ?

Life goes on. What changes is the perspective.

It is a paradox. From one side nothing changes, and from another everything changes.

Paradox is a problem for the mind, but NOT for Consciousness, since it is Absolute and includes everything inside itself.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]but who are you to say what is and what isn't fiction

you can believe anything you want

wouldn't you say it's mindgames like you talk about ?

I'm just making a few distinctions that I am aware of.

And, yes, fundamentally it is all mindgames, since that is all we can use in our relative reality.

Here is a simple explanation of how our senses work:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-five-sense-organs-in-human-beings.html

notice that they all deliver DATA to the brain, and the brain then interprets this DATA, turning it into what we perceive.

this means we NEVER directly perceive anything

it all happens inside our brain/mind's imagination.

this is the first distinction to make to actually start grasping what I'm pointing at in my posts.

If you have a belief/assumption that you are DIRECTLY perceiving STUFF in front of you, your mind will resist accepting that it's all happening inside of it.

...in reality, there is NO physical reality "out there" - it is all inside of your imagination, inside of your mind.

...and the mind is inside your Consciousness.

...so Consciousness is Fundamental and Primary, while everything else is Secondary!

:tiphat:
 

devilgoob

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It's not a mind game. The mind can take into consideration two paradoxes and have them both be correct.

Usually people react as if it's a game, because they think they're thinking. We don't think it to be a paradox, we know it is. Paradoxes are in the mind, not out there. We think it's a paradox.

A person is not intimidating - you're intimidated. It's not cold out, you are. The person you are watching isn't suspicious - you are of them.

When taken from the perspective on one single human, they're cold, they're suspicious, they're intimidated. They are seemingly separate, and that somehow interferes with them perceiving that they are a whole also.

Again, with the words and sentences and ego perspective, it is a paradox - TO YOU.

For everything though, it isn't.

Of course if I am separate, but part of a whole it seems paradoxial,if viewed from a singular being.

It's your viewpoint, and your ego. It's not totally separate from ours. Not a pure singular ego at all. We have a lot in common like weed, peace, English, this website.


The brain operates by interacting with the environment, although it's introspective to a degree. I think of the brain as a physical object. This is not separating the body and the mind, and it simply means our brain is attracted to things that are good, and avoids the bad. Moreso it can be extrapolated as such the being alive is good, and things that cause death are bad. This is only the belief of the brain, because being alive and being dead are things to it.

The mind on the other hand, will go toward bad, confront it, get comfortable with it. The mind will also make you question what is bad or good, or what is really alive. The brain is physical and faces destruction. The brain is a mere illusion.

The mind has remained always, and always is the real collective truth. Unlike the brain, which thinks it's local and is responsible for Ego - a mind transcends that.

Our thoughts are a mind. Our mind does come from the brain, but also not so singularly as we think. We are a colony of ants, not single ants with single minds. Our brains are single. Our minds are not.

Our brains can have mixed emotions, bad or good. It depends on if you mind them if you want to figure in a more truer way. The only way to be a mind, and not be controlled by physicalness is if you were outside of time itself, because in fact motion is time. I told my friend to look at the speedometer once. The time is per hour. Our time frames are different, yet we communicate. The universe, and different things are like a brain, but to be a mind is different. A mind can think. A brain has pre-programmed responses. The problem with it all is we all have happiness and pain, and judge it with our brain, which leads to our minding of things to be changed. People joke as if we're trying to ascend consciousness, but conception is good. It's perception which is messing with things. If you can perceive, good, the more perception, the better conceptions, or concepts you will develop from perceptions. Therein lies the brain never being a true mind, and almost always trapping by perception. We try to free ourselves.

It's not about clearing your mind it's about being able to listen to it. It's about clearing your brain of sensory, and non-stop memory plays, so you can actually introspective and think, instead of just reacting -which is what the brain does too much. Our brain is physical, but gets "mind aspects" from it's dual core cognition or bi-camerality. Two separate attentional processes that you choose from or maybe you favor one side more. This is great because each side paints a physical sense -something you'd react to, but you can choose from both sides, they both have attention. In split brain tests one side believes in God, the other doesn't. One is male, the other female. I believe it's sexually dimorphic characteristics, one brain favoring the being itself (more ego and being strong individually) and the other loving like a female (more connectedness, relying on others). This leads to something more like a mind, less of a brain. It can sort of relate on if it wants to perceive itself as more part of a whole, or an individual.

Also, meditation is just more mindfulness. When I think of something almost automatically, as if it were my normal reaction, if I stop everytime and question my automatic thoughts, eventually I change. A change to know a mind think and the brain's is a reaction. Thinking is active, automatic thoughts or procedural consciousness is automatic thinking. Being mindful frees you and makes you question if you're just reacting, or if you have a choice. It's both, without them being mutually exclusive, because of the bicamerality again.

Doing a preztel leg mediation, I lifted myself off the ground, with holding the preztel rotated my body around my shoulders and did a handstand for 15 minutes.

I have never done that. It required no strength, it required no balance.

These are brain things in the physical world - free your mind.

We feel it's a paradox, because that's our perception, or perceiving or (per) person, per(spective) Those are all singular.

If you do try to think about it as a human, it's your perception it is. It's you - from a perspective, as a person.

You must think past general perception in your brain, which is very personal.
 

headband 707

Plant whisperer
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I had to say yes because as of yet there are elements of reality which we are unable to perceive completely or correctly or even at all.

Wow Grat3fulh3ad good to see you again!! Now to the question at hand:

Reality is only what YOU think it is. Yet the truth is not reality.. So deep before breakfast lol headband 707:biggrin:
 

Weird

3rd-Eye Jedi
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ttp://www.space.com/18630-universe-grows-like-brain.html

Universe Grows Like a Giant Brain


A fundamental law of nature may govern the growth of brain networks, social networks, and the expansion of the Universe, a new computer simulation suggests

The universe may grow like a giant brain, according to a new computer simulation.

The results, published Nov.16 in the journal Nature's Scientific Reports, suggest that some undiscovered, fundamental laws may govern the growth of systems large and small, from the electrical firing between brain cells and growth of social networks to the expansion of galaxies.

"Natural growth dynamics are the same for different real networks, like the Internet or the brain or social networks," said study co-author Dmitri Krioukov, a physicist at the University of California San Diego.

The new study suggests a single fundamental law of nature may govern these networks, said physicist Kevin Bassler of the University of Houston, who was not involved in the study. [What's That? Your Physics Questions Answered]

"At first blush they seem to be quite different systems, the question is, is there some kind of controlling laws can describe them?" he told LiveScience.

By raising this question, "their work really makes a pretty important contribution," he said.

Similar Networks

Past studies showed brain circuits and the Internet look a lot alike. But despite finding this functional similarity, nobody had developed equations to perfectly predict how computer networks, brain circuits or social networks grow over time, Krioukov said.

Using Einstein's equations of relativity, which explain how matter warps the fabric of space-time, physicists can retrace the universe's explosive birth in the Big Bang roughly 14 billion years ago and how it has expanded outward in the eons since.

So Krioukov's team wondered whether the universe's accelerating growth could provide insight into the ways social networks or brain circuits expand.

Brain cells and galaxies

The team created a computer simulation that broke the early universe into the tiniest possible units — quanta of space-time more miniscule than subatomic particles. The simulation linked any quanta, or nodes in a massive celestial network, that were causally related. (Nothing travels faster than light, so if a person hits a baseball on Earth, the ripple effects of that event could never reach an alien in a distant galaxy in a reasonable amount of time, meaning those two regions of space-time aren't causally related.)

As the simulation progressed, it added more and more space-time to the history of the universe, and so its "network" connections between matter in galaxies, grew as well, Krioukov said.

When the team compared the universe's history with growth of social networks and brain circuits, they found all the networks expanded in similar ways: They balanced links between similar nodes with ones that already had many connections. For instance, a cat lover surfing the Internet may visit mega-sites such as Google or Yahoo, but will also browse cat fancier websites or YouTube kitten videos. In the same way, neighboring brain cells like to connect, but neurons also link to such "Google brain cells" that are hooked up to loads of other brain cells.

The eerie similarity between networks large and small is unlikely to be a coincidence, Krioukov said.

"For a physicist it's an immediate signal that there is some missing understanding of how nature works," Krioukov said.

It's more likely that some unknown law governs the way networks grow and change, from the smallest brain cells to the growth of mega-galaxies, Krioukov said.


"This result suggests that maybe we should start looking for it," Krioukov told LiveScience.
 

Weird

3rd-Eye Jedi
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dont fear the future its already here.

why is it so difficult a concept to think that life is a copy of something that already exists even if it is in a different form

i.e. light sound vibration chemical or a cosmic neural network made of something other than earthly biological material

we see this occur in evolution through dna
 

southflorida

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@devilgoob: couldn't rep you for your post, the program said to pass the reputation around :)

If we build a structure, starting with what's fundamental, what forms the foundation of our experience, from my perspective it would go like this.

1) Non-dual Absolute Consciousness of Being would be the primary substance from which this experience is created. By "this" - I mean absolutely everything that exists.

Consciousness of Being is self-aware, it is simply the experience "I am."

This "I" is simply what "is."

We are this "I" - because "I am" or "I exist" is self-evident, and it is about the only thing that can't really be denied by us.

In order to deny that "I am" or "I exist" by saying "I am not" or "I don't exist" one would have to "be" or "exist" in the first place.

2) The Mind. This is a secondary process, and it arises as a shadow of The Consciousness of Being, and it is not real in and of itself.

Meaning the mind could not exist without Absolute Consciousness of Being, while Absolute Consciousness of Being not only could, but does exist without the mind.

In deep sleep, the mind stops creating thoughts and images, but Consciousness remains, as we all know from our direct personal experience.

The mind is imagination; they are really the same thing.

The mind works in the waking state, and during dreaming, creating and imagining up everything that we perceive.

Absolute Consciousness of Being remains during the waking state and during the dreaming state, but it is in the background, and all attention is on the thoughts/images that the mind is producing on a moment-to-moment basis.

So, the mind is there during waking and dreaming, and not there during the deep sleep state. This points at The Absolute Consciousness of Being as the Fundamental Substance in our own direct, personal experience.

3) The body/brain. This next experience is a creation of the mind. The body that includes the brain becomes "our body" when the mind says that "I am + this body."

Without the body, the mind would have no power, and as we all know in our dreams, we are always some kind of "body" that is experiencing the "dream states."

In addition to the body, the mind creates the outside world, including the Universe, and all of the thoughts and emotions we experience inside of the body.

Fundamentally, the mind is imagining the body/brain combo, inner thoughts and emotions, and The Universe.

None of this exists as a "primary reality" - including the mind.

It is all "secondary" and is happening inside The Non-dual, Absolute Consciousness of Being, which is not confused with anything that is happening inside of it.

The confusion occurs only in the mind that believes it is the body, and believes that everything outside this body is not "it."

These are all things that we can directly experience, and do experience every moment, because we are Being that is Conscious of Itself, and only of Itself.

This is probably the biggest difference between Absolute Consciousness of Being and The Mind.

Being is aware that everything is Itself.

Mind believes and assumes it is a separate body that has to do everything possible to survive, which is why it is always running toward certain desires and away from certain fears.

That's why Being always "is" while the body/mind always "does."

:tiphat:
 

southflorida

lives on planet 4:20
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dont fear the future its already here.

why is it so difficult a concept to think that life is a copy of something that already exists even if it is in a different form

i.e. light sound vibration chemical or a cosmic neural network made of something other than earthly biological material

we see this occur in evolution through dna

Consciousness is a substance that creates through fractals.

Or to be more exact, the mind uses Consciousness'es ability to create through fractals and that's why as you say life is a copy of other life, including dna.

but, I do want to point out that none of it is fundamentally real

It is all conceptual stuff occuring inside the mind's imagination

...and as i already pointed out, this includes the Universe.

:tiphat:
 

trichrider

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MY primary focus and interest is and has been for decades opening up the mental/conceptual frameworks being used to orient ourselves to and relate directly to Reality which is ever revealed to each individual as (or via) the vibrant and radiant field of direct experience in the ever present moment. It is clear to me as a result of numerous and ongoing ecstatic nondual experiences and through states of heightened awareness in general that the is clear to me as a result of numerous and ongoing ecstatic nondual experiences and through states of heightened awareness in general that the nature of the experiential domain that an individual inhabits is a direct and lawful function of the core axioms, beliefs or premises that are accepted consciously and (mostly) unconsciously by an individual.

These core axioms (ones "axiomatic set") conditions perception shapes and controls the process of interpretation of, or the attribution of meaning to, each moment of arising experience. I am particularly interested in developing a phenomenologically congruent science that can support and guide the process of opening ourselves to the immediate vibrancy of direct experience. Present day science has developed a peculiar chauvinism against direct experience as if the cherished ideal of objectivity (now known to be a myth) will be somehow tainted or diluted by considering or granting serious attention to inner, feeling based or subjective dimensions of experience. It is glaringly obvious to me that this irrational habit of excluding ones subjectivity or inner life from serious consideration by modern science is a crippling weakness that unquestioningly excludes the total field of direct experience from being acceptable as a source of data for developing better scientific theories or mental/conceptual maps of reality.

Since our maps of reality, once engaged become filters which precondition our very perception and experience of Reality, it is of the utmost importance to develop mental maps of reality that truly serve the ongoing process by which reality is revealing itself in each and every moment and avoid as much as possible bringing unnecessary constructs, reifications and assumptions into our prime guiding and world-shaping models of Reality.

There is a need to reevaluate our theories in terms of their actual utility in terms of whether they provide guidance and a perspective that enables the deepening, enriching and even intentional altering of ones present experience ( i.e. their phenomenological utility) Do our reality maps (i.e. theoretical mental/conceptual models) actually have an effective utility in helping us enter more deeply into the radiant matrix of present experience which is ever fresh and presently - spontaneously - arising and revealing itself to us right NOW.

more at link... http://harmoniccontinuum.50megs.com/custom3.html

truth revealed in everything
 

southflorida

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end of this amazing article...http://harmoniccontinuum.50megs.com/custom3.html

Mystical teachings actually claim that to ‘know self,’ at the deepest level, leads to experiences of higher or more enlightened states of human consciousness, alternate forms of objective knowledge about the nature of Self, the universe and the inscrutable mysteries of nature, and even, to divine knowledge of God. Mystical knowledge involves the direct experiencing of the unity of life, to different depths of penetration. If these kinds of states and experiences are indeed possible, then mysticism, by the criterion of science itself, would indeed be more scientific than what are considered the so-called ‘exact’ sciences.

Unfortunately, modern science writers, such as B. Greene, P. Atkins, L. Smolin, all leave consciousness out of their equations. They don't imagine that the quantum physics could have anything to do with the nature of human consciousness, despite the fact that consciousness exists within space, and light is directly experienced in consciousness? What might physics have to do with consciousness?

Mark Comings is making steps to elaborate the basic principles of such a new paradigm of human understanding--based exactly upon such a physics and metaphysics of consciousness, light and space. If we can understand such an illumined perspective on the nature of things, we find ourselves in a radical abundance. Unfortunately, we might also be somewhat horrified by the madness of humankind -- ruled by the mode of ignornace, the philosophy of scarcity, with an economy based on fossel fuels and war, and an emotional pathology of fear and self interest.

ignorance is starting to crumble from inside, as more and more people realize who and what they really "are."

-->> Non-dual, Absolute Consciousness of Being...I am :tiphat:
 
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