Is it possible that reality is not what you think?...yes?/no?...lol

[southflorida]

there's no such thing as reality besides a whole bunch of nothingness, a vast emptiness that we fill up with all sorts of imaginings and superfluous definitions that construct a bunch of mental maps that we use to nagivate through this voidness.

the real question is: how is it possible we can do that when fundamentally there is absolutely nothing?

Good to see you bombadil.

It is possible through DISTINCTIONS.

Consciousness which is fundamentally nothing makes a distinction in awareness and reality is created at the present moment. Once the distinctions that are currently being made are not made anymore, this stuff we are perceiving will vanish instantly...imho

 

[HUGE]

Folks in this thread may enjoy a book called "the Kyballion" written by Hermes. It sums all this up nicely.

 

[bombadil.360]

Good to see you bombadil.

It is possible through DISTINCTIONS.

Consciousness which is fundamentally nothing makes a distinction in awareness and reality is created at the present moment. Once the distinctions that are currently being made are not made anymore, this stuff we are perceiving will vanish instantly...imho

good to see you too south florida how do u say? kakdila?

the question remains unanswered if we say that due to Distinctions we are able to imagine concepts out of nothing: the question remains, how are we even able to make Distinctions when fundamentally there is No Thing?

this takes us to the primary philosophical inquiry: Whence Movement?

and how come there's even such a thing as movement when fundamentally there's nothing?

 

[southflorida]

good to see you too south florida how do u say? kakdila?

Yes, kak dela? Answer: Ochenj Horosho

the question remains unanswered if we say that due to Distinctions we are able to imagine concepts out of nothing: the question remains, how are we even able to make Distinctions when fundamentally there is No Thing?

Fundamenally, words can't explain this, and even though this will be my opinion, I will try the best that I can

Now I'm going to write something that I want you to imagine in your mind, to visualize the following thing: You are standing on a hill, it is a sunny day, the sky is blue, there are white clouds in the sky, and all of a sudden you see a huge pink elephant with wings like a dragon that starts flying around singing I'm Bad, by Michael Jackson.

Now, what was there in your awareness before I wrote and you read about the huge pink elephant? Most likely NOTHING, right?

This Nothing, is the fundamental and true nature of Consciousness and thus all reality. In the place of Nothing there is a distinction made, and this is POSSIBLE because Consciousness is aware.

In fact here is the primary insight: Consciousness is aware AS all the distinctions inside of Consciousness. Consciousness is oneness, right? It is one, all-inclusive, and absolute.

And it pulls off this illusion, this reality, inside of itself, inside nothing, by BEING AWARE "AS" EVERYTHING....simultaneously.

this takes us to the primary philosophical inquiry: Whence Movement?

and how come there's even such a thing as movement when fundamentally there's nothing?

movement is nothing more and nothing less that a distinction inside of consciousness.

it is an almost infinite amount of still images that are moving from one present moment to another, just like a film creating a movie on a screen.

consciousness is creating everything by being aware AS everything!

...this is my opinion of course, but I arrived at it through contemplation over long periods of time.

 

[southflorida]

Been away a while. But now I'm back. Seems that the majority believe that reality is an illusion

I also think that way...lol

In fact, I see reality as INFINITELY NOTHING.

Nothing is what has always been, IS now, and always will be.

The perceptions we are having at this exact moment are simply distinctions being made by our Consciousness/Awareness.

We are obviously NOT the perceptions we are perceiving, and we are not the perception itself, we are the unknown entity, BEHIND that process.

The false-egoic-conceptual-self that we believe we ARE, is a fabrication of our self-mind. It is a survival-mechanism and see everything through one question...what the f*ck does this thing in my perception mean in relation to "me."

In other words it is 100% "self"-oriented.

And all this "self" sees is its own beliefs and assumptions.

Rose-colored glasses can be taken off, and then we can see what is ACTUALLY there.

Welcome to the "self-principle."

 

[BluEyeDevil]

" what one commonly takes as "the reality," including the reality of one's own individual person, by no means signifies something fixed, but rather something that is ambiguous—that there is not only one, but that there are many realities, each comprising also a different consciousness of the ego"

Albert Hoffman

 

[sso]

so,,,

if reality is an illusion,

what is behind the illusion?

who is making the illusion?

 

[southflorida]

so,,,

if reality is an illusion,

what is behind the illusion?

who is making the illusion?

If we ask where is reality coming from? In other words, what is there, before anything appears in our perception?

The answer seems to be Nothing.

The true nature of reality is Nothing.

Obviously this Nothing, is not the "conceptual" nothing that we use in our language.

This Nothing is truly Nothing...lol

What we are currently perceiving is Secondary, we NEVER perceive reality DIRECTLY, we have no perception organs that can do that.

Reality is unknown. The phenomena (reality) perceived by our organs of perception shows up because of our self-mind. The self-mind interprets the unknown phenomena (reality) and provides it with a meaning. This meaning comes to us as an emotional charge.

This charge, or effect is felt and interpreted as fear, anger, desire, pain, pleasure, or any of the other emotions we experience on a moment to moment basis.

For example imagine how different a heterosexual male and female perceive a sexy 20 year old with huge natural breasts, a nice tight ass. The emotional charge they receive is completely different. A male might want to bang her, while a female might want to see her die, or see herself disappear, because she is fugly in comparison.

But, as far as what this unknown phenomena IS, this topic is not for words, because all we have is language, and it is not up to the task of describing NOTHING.

We can directly experience reality (nothing) and obviously do on a moment to moment basis, because we ARE it, but since there is NOTHING there, we keep our attention on what we perceive.

 

[tjo]

Reality is an illusion because im always stoned.............
..this is my reality,this is my life and is my choice..

 

[Grass Lands]

oh its real, its real fucking real....

 

[HUGE]

If we ask where is reality coming from? In other words, what is there, before anything appears in our perception?

The answer seems to be Nothing.

The true nature of reality is Nothing.

Obviously this Nothing, is not the "conceptual" nothing that we use in our language.

This Nothing is truly Nothing...lol

What we are currently perceiving is Secondary, we NEVER perceive reality DIRECTLY, we have no perception organs that can do that.

Reality is unknown. The phenomena (reality) perceived by our organs of perception shows up because of our self-mind. The self-mind interprets the unknown phenomena (reality) and provides it with a meaning. This meaning comes to us as an emotional charge.

This charge, or effect is felt and interpreted as fear, anger, desire, pain, pleasure, or any of the other emotions we experience on a moment to moment basis.

For example imagine how different a heterosexual male and female perceive a sexy 20 year old with huge natural breasts, a nice tight ass. The emotional charge they receive is completely different. A male might want to bang her, while a female might want to see her die, or see herself disappear, because she is fugly in comparison.

But, as far as what this unknown phenomena IS, this topic is not for words, because all we have is language, and it is not up to the task of describing NOTHING.

We can directly experience reality (nothing) and obviously do on a moment to moment basis, because we ARE it, but since there is NOTHING there, we keep our attention on what we perceive.

Perfect. Exactly what I couldn't pur into words. Great post.

 

[southflorida]

haha what an old thread i forgot about...lol

 

[southflorida]

nice email i got today from an excellent writer

Explaining Yourself to Yourself

Robert Fritz

If you find yourself describing why you did what you just did, what it means, how it defines you, and what might you do next time; you are in the bad habit of explaining yourself to yourself.

This is a type of obsession as well as a bad habit. It might be so constant, that you don’t notice you’re doing it. The other day, someone came into our office and began to “think out loud” about her actions, her thoughts, what it symbolized, what it said about her. Someone asked her a question, but she didn’t hear it until they repeated themselves two more times. She was so deeply focused on her explanation of herself to herself, that she was missing the reality that was before her eyes.

This is just one example of what is going on with many people. They see their job in life as to monitor themselves so they can critique themselves. Behind it all is an assumption and an aspiration. The assumption is that there is something wrong with them, and so they must keep an eye on themselves. The aspiration is that they want to grow into something they, themselves, can admire.

This is a dead end. With the obsession on one’s self, it is hard to get yourself out of your own way. Everything becomes commentary on you, even though it may have very little to do with you. Objectivity and perspective, the very elements you need to truly improve by evaluating your desired outcomes against the current reality in order to create an effective strategy to achieve the goals you want to create, are thawed by self-focus.

As in the Paul McCartney lyric “when you find yourself in the thick of it, help yourself to a bit of what is all around you.” If you find yourself explaining yourself to yourself, STOP, LOOK, and LISTEN to what is all around you: reality. Change your focus from inner to outer. Describe how things look to yourself. Note the objects you can see and hear. This will put you back in reality, which is a nicer place to live than in your head.

© Robert Fritz 2012

 

[hunt4genetics]

Do we ask these questions because our current reality is too beyond belief?

 

[stig]

I think we can only perceive approximately 5% of the world (universe) around us, and of that a certain percentage is a construct that our brains create (see Brain Games) to allow us to function/surrive in the environment that we evolved in.

 

[floralheart]

Which one

 

[Koondense]

Heavy stuff

http://www.nature.com/news/simulations-back-up-theory-that-universe-is-a-hologram-1.14328

 

[trichrider]

i'm a 'phase conjugation of electric potentials'.

that will be misinterpreted...as: polarized interactions of ionic interference creating and disturbing my magnetic field, creating helical votices of actual matter that contain mass.

innumerable collisions of positive and negative flux from an infinite number of sources that are me and you at once.

we are one and the same, yet apart from each other by virtue of 'self' or 'ego'.

always enjoy your philosophical conversations South, hope you are well.

 

[southflorida]

hi trichrider!

yes...i'm doing quite well...thanks for asking!

Been a while since I posted on this forum, and really had my doubts about posting again...to be honest

but what the hell, as the Russians like to say:

"Those who don't risk, don't get to drink the champagne"

and since I'm Russian, and like champagne, once in a while, here goes:

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If we look into our direct experience, what is the one thing that we can't deny and can be 100% sure of?

...that we exist...right?

that I am, or that I exist is undeniable.

this is primary, and without this, nothing else could exist or be.

I am I - is probably the best way to express it using words.

Now, asking what is this "I" ???....always causes some problems when folks start trying to figure it out, and I'm sure that what I'm calling problems will continue to rise up when the question "What is I?" will be discussed by people on this planet.

But, why is that a problem?

The reason that it is usually a problem is because of the "false-self" or "ego" as trichrider correctly pointed out.

a false-self/ego uses beliefs and assumptions in order to know that it is right and others are wrong

but, in order to get to the truth, and to actually directly experience this "I" - one has to put aside all beliefs and all assumptions and jump into their "direct experience."

what stops most folks is fear, they are comfortable with their beliefs and assumptions, and are not ready to put them aside.

In fact, they are so afraid of living without their beliefs and assumptions that they actually become mad and aggressive, and ready to fight for what they believe and assume

 

[southflorida]

Now, continuing where I stopped in the last post:

That I am, or I exist, or I am I, are pretty easy for most folks to grasp, as it should be, because this is about the "only" thing we can be sure of 100%.

Now, this next thing is where it all gets slippery

Since we don't really know what this "I" - really is, we have created some really interesting ideas/myths to believe, and then turn into assumptions, and finally, when all is said and done, turn into some seriously hard convictions.

The most popular idea/myth in the Western World is that "I am this body and this mind"

Folks that believe/assume this idea/myth believe that their "I" resides inside their physical body, inside their brain/mind, and that the body/mind and the world that they perceive with their senses is physical and PRIMARY.

There's only one small problem with this perspective: IT IS FALSE

The one thing that shatters this idea/myth into a gazzilion pieces is that everything that we perceive (see, hear, touch, taste, smell) occurs 100% in our consciousness, or to be more correct inside our mind/imagination.

The mind (which is PRIMARY), actually uses imagination to create the outside physical world, including the body, and provides our consciousness with pictures, sounds, feelings, tastes, and smells.

...and also thoughts (concepts) and emotions (which are conceptually based).

This means that everything that a person with this perspective believes has been occuring since he was born - has been occuring inside his imagination.

...oh, and plus it means that there really is no physical world.

...never was, never could be.

It all has been, and continues to be imagined by you

...yes, even the so-called Infinite Universe!

...interesting isn't it?