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Is is me or do some growers in Cali actually not want pot legalised??
- Thread starter BORNaSMOKER
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No shit!!! 496 plants and hardly there??? YEA RIGHT!!!! One pump goes out ect you are fucked and I hand water 7 plants 2-3x a day and water a mom cab and another micro flower cab with 18 plants and it's a ALL DAY affair. Maybe if my shit was all recirculating it'd be easier but even my homies that have bigger shit than me with 6 lights ect those fools have no life cuz it's all in the garden and these cats been doing it for YEARS!!! So please oh wonderful master share you secret and I'll vote yes LOL...
Sup Krunch? keep up the good fight bro it's not passing! Since you made me see the light I've changed MANY minds to vote NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sup Krunch? keep up the good fight bro it's not passing! Since you made me see the light I've changed MANY minds to vote NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
if mom and pop grow weed because its $2000+ a lb then yes they will go out of business.
if mom and pop grow because they love the plant and "share" "medicine" then they will continue to flourish.
just because farming for fruits and vegetables is a corporate and international business, that still doesn't stop Farmer's Markets or you and me from growing our own squash, tomatos, cucumber, pumpkin, watermelon, etc... and its no secret, if you know what you're doing its WAY better than the stuff you get at Ralphs or Albertson's grocery
Oh, I know...
Lets make fruits and vegetables ILLEGAL so we can take them back from corporate!
VOTE TO ILLEGALIZE FRUITS AND VEGGIES 2010! WOOHOO!
Lets make fruits and vegetables ILLEGAL so we can take them back from corporate!
VOTE TO ILLEGALIZE FRUITS AND VEGGIES 2010! WOOHOO!
If you get caught with peaches, plums, or avocados in public mandatory minimum fine, $100. If you have more than 12, or an assortment of the three, minimum 6 months jail time.
who is with me!?
who is with me!?
there are those who remember that are on this site to this day...
doubt all you like but i ran 2 single wide trailers gutted for years with a weekly update on overgrow up until hurricane katrina and "the great southern cannabis rescue" all while holding down a full time job in a state a WHOLE lot less friendly than cali.
part of the secret...parabolic reflectors shower curtains and baby pools!
so lets not try to convince the laymen that commercial growing is a backbreaking all consuming endeavor. its EXPENSIVE as fuck to start properly and the first year is all 80 hour weeks then its basically autopilot baring calamity...
so you tell me how impossible it is and how full of shit i am..then ask around..there are those here who remember the thread...there are even a very few who saw it first hand...and the genes from those rooms are passing around this forum as we speak.
just because ive been quiet since i lost everything in the storm dont mean i aint who i am
doubt all you like but i ran 2 single wide trailers gutted for years with a weekly update on overgrow up until hurricane katrina and "the great southern cannabis rescue" all while holding down a full time job in a state a WHOLE lot less friendly than cali.
part of the secret...parabolic reflectors shower curtains and baby pools!
so lets not try to convince the laymen that commercial growing is a backbreaking all consuming endeavor. its EXPENSIVE as fuck to start properly and the first year is all 80 hour weeks then its basically autopilot baring calamity...
so you tell me how impossible it is and how full of shit i am..then ask around..there are those here who remember the thread...there are even a very few who saw it first hand...and the genes from those rooms are passing around this forum as we speak.
just because ive been quiet since i lost everything in the storm dont mean i aint who i am
im sorry but you are off your rocker...this has nothing to do with the proposed legislation.
if its for *legalization*...then WHY ARE THERE NEW RESTRICTIONS??
WE HAVE IT BETTTER NOW....no square footage limits...18 and up can smoke....
all you pro legalization folks need to wake up and realize this bill is not about legalization.
its a bill about TAX AND REGULATE, hidden under the disguise of legalization to apeal to the masses and people like you to vote for it....for the benefit of the heavyweights like Richard Lee..
I cant believe you are sitting there so willing to get raped and so willing to fork over more money out of your pocket to wasteful gvoernment spending
your comparison of paying taxes on a bottle of wine, to this bill, is unfounded. In case you havent noticed..PEOPLE ALREADY PAY TAXES ON MEDICAL CANNABIS BUDDY!!
first of all.....yes i have no problem paying taxes on stuff i buy. This year alone ive paid almost 10k in taxes to alameda county, on my property, cars, and purchases.
Second, they want to tax WHAT YOU PRODUCE...on top of what you spend.
`legally` register your grow..and they want to tax your harvests. what else are they gonna do, break into my house to make sure im not going over 5x5?
So they want to tax outgoing and incoming...more taxes for the government to waste money on.
You people are off your rockers....Yes i agree that it sucks people go to jail for this...but thats a decent tradeoff for the benefits we DO HAVE.
The 5x5 limit is BULLLSHIT enough for me to vote against this legislation.
then you add all the other bullshit measures this bill has...and its OBVIOUS its not about legalization, but about REGULATION.
THey are calling this bill *legalization* so that numbskulls like yourself are gonna be like `wooooo no more people goingto jail, i can smoke on the street in front of cops...woooo..my counterculture is gone!! now i got to get a REAL JOB (in this shitty economy YAY!)
wake the fuck up.....maybe in five years if the economy is better and there are jobs everywhere i can get down with it....but right now i know kids with college degrees making less than 40k a year because there are NO FUCKING JOBS.
THIS IS OUR COUNTERCULTURE...DONT GIVE IT AWAY.
VOTE AGAINST THIS BILL!!!!
ya I hear growers bitch about monsanto being evil and greedy and then they turn around and say they are gonna vote no on legalization in cali. WTF?
What are you talking about???? You mean medical? THIS IS NOT ABOUT MEDICAL CANNABIS
Now tell me how a recreational toker has no limits, can smoke at 18? How does he have it better now than if this law passed??LMAO
This has nothing to do with MMJ users...this is for the recreational us of cannabis. As with anything else, beer, soda, sun glasses, your gonna pay taxes.
ya it wont effect prop 215 you will be ok.
They are not going tax somebodies 5x5 grow.
Where does it says that someone has to register their 5x5 grow and then tax it on top of that?
i want it treated like any other commodity where tax dollars are spent is a completely separate conversation... we call that a red herring
i was not talking about medical cannabis "sport".
I was staying on the topic of T.C.2010 which deals with recreational usage "champ"
This is another slimy tactic called of mixing topics "bucko"
shall we dispense with the pet names "pal"
shenanigans has officially been declared grab your brooms folks the prohibitionists are just plain lying to you now!!!!
please demonstrate this language...
and if you do ill site the last great president "he has found now let him enforce"
NO IT IS NOT!!!
it is not worth a single son or daughter going a single night without daddy or mommy over!
its not worth a single person having to lie about a medicinal need for recreational use (and thus discrediting the entire REAL medical community)
we will ignore the ad hominem and hyperbole skipping the stimulating economic talk (i even threw in a pun) ill point this out yet again.
you are unfortunately operating under the misconception that the cannabis market is somehow deregulated now.
There is no more "regulated" than outright prohibition. you have been confused into believing that this meager step toward normalization is somehow a tightening of regulation...tell that to the 100k+ individuals sentenced to state prison in California in 2009!
(filter thread for source its posted somewhere)
Thats a fact no one I know wants it legalized except for me
thats not how legislation works. its not a charter of negative liberties.
if they were going to "make you register your 5x5 grow" then why haven't they made all the medical grows register how much in how many square feet with how much produced every harvest?
Its unrealistic and close to impossible.
What's next?
Are you going to tell me that if this bill passes I have to report every time I light up?
Its unrealistic and close to impossible.
What's next?
Are you going to tell me that if this bill passes I have to report every time I light up?
then why make up the 5x5 limit?? WHATS THE PURPOSE OF THIS LIMIT? the answer is...richard lee put it in there so that he would have LESS COMPETITION...how the hell are most clubs gonna be able to compete with richard lee when they can only grow 5x5 per patient?? 5x5 cant supply SHIT...its a bullshit sq footage number.
it basically means that if you get raided for any reason, they will measure your grows sq ft instead of numbers...which they do now.
they put those limits in there in case it goes to court so they can stick you with extra penalties....
just like with medical grows now...and the plant numbers limit..yeah no ones registering shit but once the DEA knocks they start counting numbers.
we have it better now..because we can skirt the numbers rule by growing bigger plants, less numbers.
however there is no way to get by the sq footage rule, and they know that.
this bill brings more regulation than we have now
it basically means that if you get raided for any reason, they will measure your grows sq ft instead of numbers...which they do now.
they put those limits in there in case it goes to court so they can stick you with extra penalties....
just like with medical grows now...and the plant numbers limit..yeah no ones registering shit but once the DEA knocks they start counting numbers.
we have it better now..because we can skirt the numbers rule by growing bigger plants, less numbers.
however there is no way to get by the sq footage rule, and they know that.
this bill brings more regulation than we have now
so what are you saying...MMJ and recreational will have different limits?
we have it better because even though the limit is 6 flowering for example..you can run 6 big ass plants that take up a whole room. how are you gonna get by the 5x5 limit? basically anyone with a bedroom willl be over the limit and risking jail time...when NOW we can run a whole bedroom, still yeild lots more weight, and under the definition of the state law do it legally...with the new regulation if im raided for any reason im going to jail, under the current law im good to go...not sure why your *LMAO*....but your not in cali so i understand...
in california..most recreational users have their cards and are considered medical...and usually get it as soon as they turn 18....now they gotta wait till their 21 or they go to jail for smoking..something they could have done legally prior to this legislation.
