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Verdant Whisperer

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I don't think I've heard that before.
are you replynig to my post? its something i've been activly studying the hormonal profiles and observing them in the plants. its nothing you will have ever heard before. Im preforming an experiment soon to validate one of my models that will replace the current photoperiod model accepted. by teaching myself from the start and not relaying on structure i was able to come up with original understanding that the plants taught me, I am learning to identify hormonal profiles and plant characteristics from just seed characteristics, size shape, dimensions to the next part cotelydons, seeing the auxins, cytokinins, gibberalins, and hormonal balance in the leaves. for example this is my file about cotyledons:




Your Framework: How Cotyledons Reveal Growth Characteristics

Visual Cues to Observe


  1. Size:
    • Larger cotyledons → Higher auxins, more potential for gibberellin dominance and taller growth.
    • Smaller cotyledons → Lower auxins, favoring cytokinins and bushier growth.
  2. Shape:
    • Broad cotyledons → Cytokinin dominance, compact growth with dense branching.
    • Skinny cotyledons → Gibberellin dominance, elongated growth and apical focus.
  3. Symmetry:
    • Symmetrical cotyledons:
      • Suggest stable hormonal profiles, balanced growth, and predictable effects.
    • Asymmetrical cotyledons (e.g., one broad, one skinny):
      • Indicate dynamic hormonal fluctuations, hybrid-like growth with both lateral and vertical tendencies.
  4. Ratio (Length-to-Width):
    • Low ratio (short and wide) → Cytokinin influence, favoring compact and lateral growth.
    • High ratio (long and narrow) → Gibberellin influence, favoring vertical growth and elongation.

Predicted Growth Characteristics Based on Cotyledons

  1. Two Small, Round Cotyledons:
    • Hormonal Profile: Low auxins, cytokinin dominance.
    • Growth Traits:
      • Short, bushy plant with compact canopy.
      • Slower elongation and thicker stems.
    • Effects:
      • Heavier, body-focused terpene profiles (e.g., myrcene, humulene).
  2. Two Long, Skinny Cotyledons:
    • Hormonal Profile: Higher auxins, gibberellin dominance.
    • Growth Traits:
      • Tall, elongated plant with apical dominance.
      • Faster vertical growth with wider internodes.
    • Effects:
      • Lighter, cerebral terpene profiles (e.g., pinene, limonene).
  3. One Broad and One Skinny Cotyledon:
    • Hormonal Profile: Balanced auxins with dynamic cytokinin and gibberellin interplay.
    • Growth Traits:
      • Hybrid-like, starting bushy and transitioning to vertical growth.
      • Christmas tree shape with a mix of lateral and apical dominance.
    • Effects:
      • Balanced terpene profiles, offering both uplifting and relaxing effects.

Additional Insights Gained

  1. Auxins and Florigen:
    • Plants with higher auxin levels show greater hormonal amplitude and potential for dynamic changes, leading to varied growth patterns and terpene production.
  2. Terpene Profiles:
    • Compact plants closer to the ground tend to produce heavier terpenes, while taller plants favor lighter terpenes.
  3. Hormonal Amplitude:
    • Asymmetrical cotyledons indicate plants with greater hormonal range, leading to more diverse growth and chemical profiles.

 

squatty

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I just had a kwik seeds package intercepted, first time it has happened to me.

Package arrived without seeds and a note of mail interception. USDA removed contents as package passed through Los Angeles. Notice said cannabis seeds removed as material was not authorized to enter, citing lack of phyto-sanitary certificate.

Fuck you inspecting officer badge number 913.

Carry on friends.
 

squatty

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And here is some Laos Village and Highland Laos that inspecting officer 913 missed...
 

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squatty

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And here is the last plant I will grow in Oregon as we are returning to Hawaii. This was the cross of a Cider kush male from kwik seeds and two OG kush females from Oregon Green Seed.

The flower is nice but I will not be growing it again as it had no mold resistance.
 

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xtsho

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I just had a kwik seeds package intercepted, first time it has happened to me.

Package arrived without seeds and a note of mail interception. USDA removed contents as package passed through Los Angeles. Notice said cannabis seeds removed as material was not authorized to enter, citing lack of phyto-sanitary certificate.

Fuck you inspecting officer badge number 913.

Carry on friends.

Well that sucks. I've had a dozen parcels come through the west coast without issue. Hope it doesn't turn into another Chicago.

I'm glad I already have all the genetics I need. There is more I want but I'll be selective and make small orders. Years back when I was stocking up I had several 1-2 thousand dollar orders from overseas that I was sweating but made it through.
 
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FTL

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And here is the last plant I will grow in Oregon as we are returning to Hawaii. This was the cross of a Cider kush male from kwik seeds and two OG kush females from Oregon Green Seed.

The flower is nice but I will not be growing it again as it had no mold resistance.
What will you Grow back in Hawaii ?
 

squatty

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xtsho - I've been very lucky so far and like you I have more than enough genetics.

Something I've learned over the years is to always have a plan A, B and C. So I was looking forward to acquiring the Hmong Ganja and Nakhon Phanom Thai as back up to the other genetics I have.

FTL - I will be growing whatever will survive the high humidity and constant rain in the area we will be at. The average combined rainfall in the months of November and December is over 22 inches. I just got back from there and the rain was pretty constant with a day of sun here and there. Eventually I hope to be growing in a greenhouse.

I just posted in the Ace forum some Zamaldelica I just put out. It did really well the first grow this past season. The two Laos strains above are also out in the rainforest right now.

Previously I've tried Mango Thai, Highland Thai, Thai Chi and Zamaldelica x Kali China. The only survivor was one seeded Zamaldelica. I did get to harvest some seeds off a dead Zamaldelica x Kali China that was pollinated by the Zamaldelica males.
 

xtsho

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And here is the last plant I will grow in Oregon as we are returning to Hawaii. This was the cross of a Cider kush male from kwik seeds and two OG kush females from Oregon Green Seed.

The flower is nice but I will not be growing it again as it had no mold resistance.

Depending on where you are growing in Oregon mold can definitely be an issue. Northwest Oregon from Portland down the Columbia river to Astoria and south through the Willamette Valley are likely going to have issues with mold. South of Eugene they are not as bad.

That strain might grow fine in Hawaii. If you liked it don't write it off. It might do great in a new climate.
 
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squatty

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We left Hawaii 25 years ago and I only began growing in the Portland area with legalization.

Our property in Hawaii gets more rain in four months than we get here in a year. In Oregon I move my plants under a roof when the rains begin. I don't have that option in Hawaii yet.

I just retired so I am looking forward to spending some time facing the challenges of growing cannabis on the East side of the Big Island.

Below is a screen shot from today's weather. Even with no rain the humidity is 92%.

Pressure 30.06 in
Visibility 9 miles
Clouds Cloudy
Dew Point 70 F
Humidity 92 %
Rainfall 0 in
Snow Depth 0 in

My friends on the Big Island swear by the Diesel they have been growing for years. They say it is one of the few plants that can survive outdoors in the rain. I had to pick up the Puna Diesel IBL from Hyp3rids to try there soon.

Below is the tray of starts I put out in July un-sexed. I was gone for three months and the only survivor was one seeded Zamaldelica female. There were many molded skeletons of plants and I was able to get some seeds from some of them.
 

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FTL

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I've been growing in the Portland area since legalization. Our property in Hawaii gets more rain in four months than we get here in a year. In Oregon I move my plants under a roof when the rains begin. I don't have that option in Hawaii yet.

I just retired and I am looking forward to the challenges of growing on the East side of the Big Island. My friends there swear by the Diesel they have been growing for years. They say it is one of the few plants that can survive outdoors in the rain. I had to pick up the Puna Diesel IBL from Hyp3rids to try there soon.

Below is the tray of starts I put out in July. The only survivor was one Zamaldelica.
Don’t suppose you got the Kona gold ibl too?
 

squatty

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I considered it but the "Haze like spaciness" in the description wasn't very appealing to me. I opted for one of the Golden Highland Thai crosses instead.

I must say I haven't grown out anything from Hyp3rids yet but my packs of 15+ have consistently come with over 20+ seeds. Their freebies are quite nice as well.
 

FTL

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I considered it but the "Haze like spaciness" in the description wasn't very appealing to me. I opted for one of the Golden Highland Thai crosses instead.

I must say I haven't grown out anything from Hyp3rids yet but my packs of 15+ have consistently come with over 20+ seeds. Their freebies are quite nice as well.
Fair enough mate.

Good to hear about them doing good deals, that’s the way it should be done.

22inches is ALOT of rain in such a short time wow

Have you looked at Vermont mans offerings ?
 

squatty

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20+ inches of rain in two months is a lot. But...this summer the Zamaldelica survived a brush with a hurricane. The Big Island received over 20 inches of rain in two days! My friends in the area also said the winds were incredible, I believe they were near 50 miles per hour.

Yes, I look forward to trying the Mountain Gold with Hawaiian sativa and Oaxacan and the Zacatecas. I have not purchased the Green Mountain Grape yet but I keep reading how mold resistant it is!

 

FTL

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Yeah that’s some pacific island weather right there. Only the strong plants will survive those conditions unassisted.

Will you grow some of your local friends seeds/cuts too?

Edit : mountain gold sounds awsome. GMG too
 

squatty

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I will definitely try my friends genetics at some point. They asked if I wanted to try them in Oregon but I wanted to wait and try them in Hawaii.

As for Kwik seeds and RSC I've got many of their seeds I will be attempting to grow in the future. Most I hope to try when I get some sort of greenhouse for protection. Some of their strains I have that may stand a chance in the rain include Kerala, Nanda Devi, Murree, Johaar, Kumaoni, Burma, Manipuri, Ukhrul, Laos Sa, Highland Laos, Laos Village, Rolpa and Nepal mountain ganja.

Looking forward to trying them all in the future and then stuff I have from other breeders as well.
 
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