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[yesum]

Thanks meizzwang lovely pics. Any other info on how the Nanda Devi differed from the Manipuri in effect? Maybe just a subjective type of thing? Usually when a strain gets good reviews it is euphoric but different things can appeal to some.

I want to run either of these in upcoming grow.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Very nice nuggets Meizzwang and beautifull also.Thnx for the info.

 

[meizzwang]

thanks guys, and glad you enjoyed the pics!

Yesum: I regret that I didn't do a report on Nanda Devi when I sampled it, and it has been almost a year since I've vaped rosin from this variety. I haven't consumed weed for almost a year, just don't feel like it anymore.

Since I'm an A-hole with high expectations, only freshly squeezed rosin was vaped, no buds were ever smoked. I do remember the effects being outstanding and surprisingly potent, but I don't remember all the precise details. What I can tell you are specifics about the smell, as I took some out of the fridge last night to inspect for the first time in a long time. Wish I could just mail some to you to try, but the laws prohibit that.

Anyways, the dried Nanda Devi buds have a perfect moisture content and are very well cured. Upon breaking the crystals with my fingers, you get an immediate spicy sweet scent, followed by a background aroma of oily hash and maybe mint or pine. It's not sweet, citric pine dominant like Kumaoni, and from what I remember, the effects aren't one dimensional like Kumaoni (ie. Kumaoni has a crystal clear head buzz, but nothing else. No pressure release behind the eyes, no body high, no visual distortions, etc).

Here's some new photos of nearly a year old, fully cured Nanda Devi buds, pics taken 11/27/18. I've been "storing them for Jesus", that's why they still look pretty fresh:

In contrast, I also smelled Manipuri to compare the two. Aroma-wise, it has a very loud spicy citrus dominant scent and maybe a little bit of skunkiness to it. Manipuri yields are WAY smaller, but from what I remember, the rosin was much more flavorful, and the effects were spot on as strong as authentic punto rojo.

Speaking of effects, manipuri is similar to punto rojo in the sense that it's a crystal clear head high with no racy side effects and no ceiling. Zero cloudiness in the head, you're completely there and functional. While the effects are one dimensional, it feels so damn good! I think of it as a lower yielding yet much more flavorful version of punto rojo.

I think Manipuri is only "better" than nanda devi in terms of potency and flavor, but if you're looking for a high quality sativa high that is stronger than ditch weed, Nanda Devi is the one.

 

[CannaZen]

thanks guys, and glad you enjoyed the pics!

Yesum: I regret that I didn't do a report on Nanda Devi when I sampled it, and it has been almost a year since I've vaped rosin from this variety. I haven't consumed weed for almost a year, just don't feel like it anymore.

Honestly i know what you mean. Its really aversive for me, Cannabis is dramatic.

I'm relatively impressed with those dried Nanda Devi flowers considering. I haven't had a chance to use my herbal vaporizer yet and combusting 90micron hash from my harvest is pretty much bunk. It may just be cbd content not sure yet, Going to make Canna oil and see what that does for me.


The Lebanese.





Crushed buds of the flowers smell very sweet like floral honey citrus pine aromas although i think there may be myrcene. Its also spicy, earthy. No cedarwood present.
The scents developed a nice floral/earthy/lilac aroma during the later period of flowering.

Took her down on day 58. Not very impressed with the resin content right now. Worthless with combustion imo.. Very oldschool, The flowers are not great for smoke.

 

[meizzwang]

Honestly i know what you mean. Its really aversive for me, Cannabis is dramatic.

I'm relatively impressed with those dried Nanda Devi flowers considering. I haven't had a chance to use my herbal vaporizer yet and combusting 90micron hash from my harvest is pretty much bunk. It may just be cbd content not sure yet, Going to make Canna oil and see what that does for me.


The Lebanese.


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Crushed buds of the flowers smell very sweet like floral honey citrus pine aromas although i think there may be myrcene. Its also spicy, earthy. No cedarwood present.
The scents developed a nice floral/earthy/lilac aroma during the later period of flowering.

Took her down on day 58. Not very impressed with the resin content right now. Worthless with combustion imo.. Very oldschool, The flowers are not great for smoke.

I agree, even the rosin, which was very difficult to extract, was very weak. I remember it having a slight paranoid/ racy narcotic effect even though it was hard to tell whether or not you were high (the effects were so weak). The high I experienced wasn't calming, soothing, or relaxing, it didn't feel good to me...but some might racy, paranoid effects? Don't let the owner of TRC find out your opinion: any honest but negative feedback on any of his strains and he'll try to discredit your opinion. Thing is, these are just opinions, anyone judging a strain should focus on the descriptions and see if such details meets their needs or expectations.

That said, I'm sure in a field of 1000's of lebanese plants, there are some real gems in there. The tendency to mature early in the season, ease by which kief falls off dried buds, and nice structure do give it some breeding potential, but at the cost of poor quality of effects (my opinion of course) and low potency (objective).

Lebanese looks pretty though, and this clone pictured below had a citric bubblegum aroma to it:

 

[ngakpa]

Keep in mind, nanda devi was also selected for hemp[/URL]

hi Meizzwang,

it's great that you're sharing your experience of these strains here

I genuinely don't mean this to sound in any way hostile, but it has to be said:

some of the generalisations you've made about them are quite misleading, and in this case what you're saying is just wrong

the Nanda Devi is a specialised charas landrace, as it says on the strain description

it isn't a strain that has been selected for fibre use

on the other hand, the Kumaoni is a traditional multipurpose plant, so it is used for fibre, seed, and resin

height doesn't have much to do with this issue either, really

on a different point:

it seems this isn't apppreciated my many folks:

ganja landraces are typically significantly more potent than resin (hash, charas) landraces, so the likelihood of finding a high THC plant is much higher

ganja landraces: ie Manipuri, Thai, Kerala, Swazi, Malawi

resin landraces: Mazari, Lebanese, Malana, Nanda Devi etc.

this is explained in more detail through links at the RSC homepage

 

[ngakpa]

Don't let the owner of TRC find out your opinion: any honest but negative feedback on any of his strains and he'll try to discredit your opinion. [/URL]

haha, not at all mate, as said when we discussed this before, your opinions are totally valid as reports of the plants you've grown as you've experienced them

the reason I responded to some of your previous reviews was that the way you phrase your reports has a way of making it seem as if your experience with a few plants is a definitive review of those landraces

I actually agree that in broad terms your characterisation of the Kumaoni vs. the Nanda Devi as clear head high vs. tweaky, sparkly, warm buzz is quite fair...

but the way you put it across doesn't allow for the possibility that you can also find exceptional Kumaoni plants and likewise charas from this genepool or show any real awareness that there's a major limitation to how far the small sample you've made by growing a handful of plants can be generalised

the trouble is that the level of understanding and experience among general growers is very low when it comes to landraces

there's a reason why people who have experience with them keep repeating about how diverse they are - even with significantly potent and quite heavily selected landraces, you're going to see substantial variation within a strain from plant to plant

with a landrace like Lebanese you can see anything from double digit THC to double digit CBD

with Kerala you can see from single digit THC to high double digit THC etc.

etc. etc. etc.

fundamental points like this are surpisingly little understood even by people who have grown out a few dozen seeds

 

[Sign]

My last run was 5 mis. I got 1 boy and 4 girls. 3 of the girls were long internode, remaining 2 were shorter and bushy. At first I thought one of the longs was a high cbd but after a later sampling of the finished bud confirmed that not to be the case.

Resin production was low across all 4, but they were not low THC by any means. The short internode female made many nanners, the long made none that I found.

Overall I'm very happy with the strain. I made hybrid seeds as well as crossed the male to the short and 1 of the long node females. I have yet to run the progeny but am excited to do so.

 

[meizzwang]

with a landrace like Lebanese you can see anything from double digit THC to double digit CBD

True, although double digit THC from TRSC lebanese lines are infrequently reported, with low potency being the general consensus overall.

I guess it all depends on how you spin it.

 

[meizzwang]

some of the generalisations you've made about them are quite misleading, and in this case what you're saying is just wrong

the Nanda Devi is a specialised charas landrace, as it says on the strain description

it isn't a strain that has been selected for fibre use

on the other hand, the Kumaoni is a traditional multipurpose plant, so it is used for fibre, seed, and resin

Whether or not Nanda Devi was selected for versus just happens to have high fiber production is academic for most growers. Without a doubt, Nanda Devi has very high fiber production just like Kumaoni, that is the spirit of what I'm saying.

Just dug up a picture of the later producing pheno of Manipuri, smells very similar to the earlier finishing clone. This was taken sometime in January 2018, definitely could have gone longer, but I think I started seeing rot at this point:

 

[ngakpa]

True, although double digit THC from TRSC lebanese lines are infrequently reported, with low potency being the general consensus overall.

I guess it all depends on how you spin it.

You'll see plenty of reports online of potent specimens from the RSC Lebanese genepool, which includes the recent workings from Spanish groups. The Spanish grower who used to do the Lebanese repros found potent individuals that tested in the low teens THC

This is what you'd expct from a good unworked landrace from Lebanon, and what I brought back in 2008-9 was exactly that - from the personal stash of a smoker from Bekaa who collects his own plants from the high-mountain fields over the valley in order to make his own hashish

 

[CannaZen]

Three indoor Lebanese clones going. From seed under blue/UV t5 lights branching was minimal.
As clones under dual-arc HPS after growing outdoors its more of a bushy pheno with the lower branches growing upright in competition with the main stem.
To be fair one seed plant i had indoors under T5/UV was pretty frosty and IIRC the resin smelled like strong thc. Their quite pest resistant. Might Pop some more for outdoor minimal branching phenos,

I also have a couple dozen Chitrali seeds waiting. It may not happen for security reasons i don't have much room.





Here's another photo of the flowers from the outdoor harvest, some resin was lost during trimming.

 

[meizzwang]

something of the troll about you isn't there, fella?

anyway, have a good one

Not at all Sir, I too bought into the hype of the RSC Lebanese strain and tried it out. My results were poor, perhaps the luck of the draw. Others may experience the same thing, wish I knew that beforehand. Maybe my perception is skewed from my experience and a few other reports about lebanese:

I know I just don't use them as I work on integrated pest management through High Brix, compost teas, mycorrhizae and so on... which is why weak plants in my garden usually happen due to genetic factors. Some strains are pest magnets unfortunately and I try to stay away from these. I just wanted to confirm that this Leb line has some weak phenos, which don't grow well in organic soil or have traits that make them susceptible to pest/weather/pathogen damage. It's the first time I grow this strain, but I can tell some of these just don't grow right.

Took her down on day 58. Not very impressed with the resin content right now. Worthless with combustion imo.. Very oldschool, The flowers are not great for smoke.

IMO, there are some plants worth while in this line. With rsc seeds, numbers are needed at times to find the gems.

Since Lebanese are sold as 5 and 12 packs, the odds are against you unless you grow out large numbers or you get lucky.

People should know they run the chance of getting what I and some others experienced. Sometimes, the results aren't as rosy as the descriptions.


On the contrary, I had an extraordinary experience with Nanda Devi, and I'm going to grow out a pretty decent sized population to see if any other gems are hiding in the batch. I know there's a chance of running into poor quality individuals, don't care. Conradino23 from the four twenny mag forum mentioned "it's not the best stuff in the world" but my experience couldn't have been more different. The effects were some of the best I've experienced, not everyone cares about potency but some of us are seeking unique qualities you can't find elsewhere.

 

[ngakpa]

fair enough, though I'm not sure I could fairly be accused of hyping anything

way I see it, I spend my time trying to demystify stuff and cut through the bullshit and deliberate misinformation put out by big players who needn't be named

fwiw, at the beginning, when RSC started, everything was in 25- and 12-seed packs, but under pressure from retailers and due to the fact that so few people bought them, we stopped doing 25-seed packs

for anyone with serious intentions to do breeding or even just to get a sense of what a strain has to offer, I'd have thought about 25 plants was the absolute bare minimum even with a hybrid like Haze, White Widow, or Skunk, never mind with first-gen open-pollinated landraces like RSC offers

with a traditional ganja cultigen like Manipuri or Thai, maybe it's realistic to expect to find some exceptional specimens with high THC in such a small population

But with resin cultigens like Lebanese, Mazari, or Himalayan plants, it seems unrealistic to expect to find standout potency just by popping 12 seeds, let alone 5... there's just not been that level of selective pressure for potency, hence why genuine first-gen traditional hash/charas plants consistently show CBD

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I would prefer the packs are big enough to find a good to great pheno in every pack. 10, 25 100. I get they are unworked. Thats what makes them special. I personally have no interest in plants not worth growing again and any pack I order I have hopes of finding winners. This goes for all packs. I have considered RSC a few times but between not shipping to usa and so many more reviewed strains to buy I just have not tried any yet.

 

[Ncali]

fair enough, though I'm not sure I could fairly be accused of hyping anything

way I see it, I spend my time trying to demystify stuff and cut through the bullshit and deliberate misinformation put out by big players who needn't be named

fwiw, at the beginning, when RSC started, everything was in 25- and 12-seed packs, but under pressure from retailers and due to the fact that so few people bought them, we stopped doing 25-seed packs

for anyone with serious intentions to do breeding or even just to get a sense of what a strain has to offer, I'd have thought about 25 plants was the absolute bare minimum even with a hybrid like Haze, White Widow, or Skunk, never mind with first-gen open-pollinated landraces like RSC offers

with a traditional ganja cultigen like Manipuri or Thai, maybe it's realistic to expect to find some exceptional specimens with high THC in such a small population

But with resin cultigens like Lebanese, Mazari, or Himalayan plants, it seems unrealistic to expect to find standout potency just by popping 12 seeds, let alone 5... there's just not been that level of selective pressure for potency, hence why genuine first-gen traditional hash/charas plants consistently show CBD

I'm right there with you ngakpa. For open field hash cultivars... I am not sure people really understand, or are acknowledging, what these plants do, or how they're used and grown. It seems like if you're growing fields of hash plants, the potency is in the aggregate, not individual plants....

And you aren't even the breeder of these things. Lol. Sorry that people are not having their expectations met.... Dont let them discourage your good works!!!

 

[Sign]

But with resin cultigens like Lebanese, Mazari, or Himalayan plants, it seems unrealistic to expect to find standout potency just by popping 12 seeds, let alone 5... there's just not been that level of selective pressure for potency, hence why genuine first-gen traditional hash/charas plants consistently show CBD

After you having said that I'm very glad these are available in their current form. Some of us want this plant diversity. I'm one of the 5 pack buyers and was a little disappointed I didn't get the high cbd options this time however I made a few thousand seeds and have just started a pheno hunt.

So what I'm getting at is your unhappy customers will always be the most vocal, but don't forget there are those of us in the world that knew exactly what we were getting into and are grateful options such as RSC exist at all and that's specifically why we placed the orders. And since we're happily busy doing our thing we aren't making any noise.

Don't change a thing, there are a lot less options for us for vendors that do what you do than there are for the poly hybrid style seed vendors.

 

[ngakpa]

For open field hash cultivars... I am not sure people really understand, or are acknowledging, what these plants do, or how they're used and grown.

my impression is most people who come to RSC do already understand what landraces are, including resin cultigens

from what I see only a small percentage are expecting these to already be like Afghani No. 1, which while it's based on original landraces seeds is a very different creature now in that it's been intensively selected by modern methods for 40 years now

but yes, basically with you on this about vocal vs happy - see the odd grumble on forums but next to never get any via email

 

[Dogtown]

Hi ngakpa,


would also love to see bigger seed packs. Why are you not offering bigger seed packs only on your website? Would be very nice, then I have not to put everytime at least 3 or more packs in my cart

 

[baduy]

I can confirm for Manipuri. I have grown 2 plants and one is a real killer but they were both great, great tropical fruit aroma and stunning potency