Indoor KA5H and outdoor Oaxacan

[midwestkid]

@midwestkid Welcome to the thread. The answer is alter ego, but from a different source than below. It might be somewhat different also as my seeds were old, from 2016 or maybe 18. I am counting on this to be a hybrid and done earlier than 14 weeks. The seller clearly said hybrid and done early/mid oct, why it’s outside.

Highland Oaxaca Gold F2 - Mexican Heirloom

When I had these before I got a lot of messages if these were real. I got several messages from old school growers that ran it last year and they said it was legit.

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thanks!

 

[blondie]

Some bad news. My blueberry needed a bit longer, maybe a week. I saw something weird looking on one of the buds, kinda like a nanner. I touched it and sure as hell pollen shot out of it. Grrrrrr. I looked closely and saw a bunch more. The plant hermed on me about day 53 of flower. I am hoping not much pollen found it’s way to any other plant. I pulled the plant as soon as the pollen fell. I didn’t see any other fully developed ones but this plant is really big. Could be anywhere.

 

[Timj]

Some bad news. My blueberry needed a bit longer, maybe a week. I saw something weird looking on one of the buds, kinda like a nanner. I touched it and sure as hell pollen shot out of it. Grrrrrr. I looked closely and saw a bunch more. The plant hermed on me about day 53 of flower. I am hoping not much pollen found it’s way to any other plant. I pulled the plant as soon as the pollen fell. I didn’t see any other fully developed ones but this plant is really big. Could be anywhere.

That sucks, hopefully it didn't make it to your other plant. Did you spray the other plant down with water to stop the possible pollination of your other plant. That is what I would do as well as running a fan directly at the sprayed plant to dry it back out quickly. Good luck either way @blondie .

 

[blondie]

Thanks @Timj . I shut the fans down immediately then moved it. I got a spray bottle and sprayed the area down with water. The falling pollen was toward one wall. The rest of the blueberry plant was in between my cbd and ka5h plants. Hopefully it was enough of a buffer. I didn’t spray the other plants though. Hadn’t thought about that one. I left the fans off for a while but it gets hot. Temps hover around 90 . Might be why this thing hermed in me. Never again indoor summer. I thought with LEDs I would be ok. Not the case. My one ka5h is starting to show a few brown pistils. Tomorrow is day 56 week 8 of flower. I’m thinking a few more weeks for her and done. Other one will go a few weeks beyond. Leaves are all crispy on the ends due to nute burn. My red snake is not even close. Easily four + weeks I suspect.

I’ll get some images of the indoor at some point. Just not real pretty.

 

[Timj]

Thanks @Timj . I shut the fans down immediately then moved it. I got a spray bottle and sprayed the area down with water. The falling pollen was toward one wall. The rest of the blueberry plant was in between my cbd and ka5h plants. Hopefully it was enough of a buffer. I didn’t spray the other plants though. Hadn’t thought about that one. I left the fans off for a while but it gets hot. Temps hover around 90 . Might be why this thing hermed in me. Never again indoor summer. I thought with LEDs I would be ok. Not the case. My one ka5h is starting to show a few brown pistils. Tomorrow is day 56 week 8 of flower. I’m thinking a few more weeks for her and done. Other one will go a few weeks beyond. Leaves are all crispy on the ends due to nute burn. My red snake is not even close. Easily four + weeks I suspect.

I’ll get some images of the indoor at some point. Just not real pretty.

I run fans inside my tents so everything would be pollinated if I had a plant throw out stamens.

 

[StickyBandit]

Thanks @Timj . I shut the fans down immediately then moved it. I got a spray bottle and sprayed the area down with water. The falling pollen was toward one wall. The rest of the blueberry plant was in between my cbd and ka5h plants. Hopefully it was enough of a buffer. I didn’t spray the other plants though. Hadn’t thought about that one. I left the fans off for a while but it gets hot. Temps hover around 90 . Might be why this thing hermed in me. Never again indoor summer. I thought with LEDs I would be ok. Not the case. My one ka5h is starting to show a few brown pistils. Tomorrow is day 56 week 8 of flower. I’m thinking a few more weeks for her and done. Other one will go a few weeks beyond. Leaves are all crispy on the ends due to nute burn. My red snake is not even close. Easily four + weeks I suspect.

I’ll get some images of the indoor at some point. Just not real pretty.

Heat is only one variable that causes herms. It may be the N boost they got also. Any stress, but if the plants are stable they won't herm, worst result will be nanners. Unless it's rare or special genetics my herms go straight in the bin, never to be grown again!
All my long term strains can handle light leaks, heat, overfeeding etc. My temps can peak at ~38°c in the tents in summer with high humidity.
I just checked and 90°f is only 32.2°c

 

[blondie]

Hey sticky. This was a freebie and I have two more left. Don’t think I’ll bother growing them. You are right. Does not seem like the temp should have made it herm. This plant didn’t get the nutes the others did. It got a hotter mix to begin with. So not real sure why.

My cbd plant which has been great started yellowing down the center veinlast few days. I’m thinking give a bit of ewc tea thinking it’s low N. Anyone Agree? Images below. Never made ewc tea . Feel free to comment if anyone has and knows ratios.

Also took a few of the blueberry bush. I started trimming last night but think I’ll only take large colas and forget the rest.

The leaf image is what happened to the ka5h plants. I concluded ca deficiency followed by nute burn.

 

[Creeperpark]

What kind of water are you using Blondie?

 

[Creeperpark]

Using LEDs one has two choices when using them. One, raise the lights high and not supplement with cal mag, or put your lights close and supplement with cal mag. Both ways work well when done correctly.

 

[blondie]

Hey creepy. I recently Ran out of rainwater. It has not rained here in some time. So I used water from the dehumidifier. I thought this better than tap.

The yellowing down the middle seems a bit strange to me. Other than that and a touch of burn in the leaf tips the cbd is doing well.

I raised the light nearly as high as I could. I have trouble with tasks that others don’t and raising these lights hits my limit. My ka5h kept stretching though. Cbd Plant is about foot and a half away from lights. Ka5h is maybe 8in. Ka5h has been getting cal mag commercial product last two weeks. Cbd has not. That mix was higher in ewc. Leaves were deep green. Now leaves are not that color.

Still getting the hang of these LEDs and think I’m going to adopt @GrandpaMillenial method in future grows. Smaller bonsai types lower lights and cal mag sup. I want quality vs quantity.

 

[Timj]

Hey creepy. I recently Ran out of rainwater. It has not rained here in some time. So I used water from the dehumidifier. I thought this better than tap.

The yellowing down the middle seems a bit strange to me. Other than that and a touch of burn in the leaf tips the cbd is doing well.

I raised the light nearly as high as I could. I have trouble with tasks that others don’t and raising these lights hits my limit. My ka5h kept stretching though. Cbd Plant is about foot and a half away from lights. Ka5h is maybe 8in. Ka5h has been getting cal mag commercial product last two weeks. Cbd has not. That mix was higher in ewc. Leaves were deep green. Now leaves are not that color.

Still getting the hang of these LEDs and think I’m going to adopt @GrandpaMillenial method in future grows. Smaller bonsai types lower lights and cal mag sup. I want quality vs quantity.

Do you have a grow journal that explains how you grow. Growing medium, lights used, nutrient line and or additional amendments. I'd like to follow along if you do.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Some bad news. My blueberry needed a bit longer, maybe a week. I saw something weird looking on one of the buds, kinda like a nanner. I touched it and sure as hell pollen shot out of it. Grrrrrr. I looked closely and saw a bunch more. The plant hermed on me about day 53 of flower. I am hoping not much pollen found it’s way to any other plant. I pulled the plant as soon as the pollen fell. I didn’t see any other fully developed ones but this plant is really big. Could be anywhere.

Those blues can get nanners really easy, my last blueberry had a few that i picked off with tweezers, th y are very nitrogen sensitive plants

but my flo and ace panama stayed true during that grow, so i know they are very stable plants

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Hey creepy. I recently Ran out of rainwater. It has not rained here in some time. So I used water from the dehumidifier. I thought this better than tap.

The yellowing down the middle seems a bit strange to me. Other than that and a touch of burn in the leaf tips the cbd is doing well.

I raised the light nearly as high as I could. I have trouble with tasks that others don’t and raising these lights hits my limit. My ka5h kept stretching though. Cbd Plant is about foot and a half away from lights. Ka5h is maybe 8in. Ka5h has been getting cal mag commercial product last two weeks. Cbd has not. That mix was higher in ewc. Leaves were deep green. Now leaves are not that color.

Still getting the hang of these LEDs and think I’m going to adopt @GrandpaMillenial method in future grows. Smaller bonsai types lower lights and cal mag sup. I want quality vs quantity.

@blondie thanks for the mention. My style is based off of a few different things but one of the leading examples is dr bruce bugbee, he was growing using something like 20-10-20 and
just a ton of gypsum in the medium, and his water was high in magnesium,

my water is rather soft its been around 80-100 ppm.

I add 2 tablespoons of dolomitic lime per gallon of potting soil, thats long term slow release and should last about 6 months.

I give calmag with my ferts and calmag on water only days, i dont max it out due to the
lime

do you have a lux meter?

also watch out for water from your dehumidifier, could have some nasty heavy metals in the solder

i highly recommend using phosphoric acid over citric as citric acid will get eaten by your microbes, i use a sulfuric acid for fish tanks after flowering has started

 

[blondie]

Thanks.. hadn’t thought of metal in the dehumidifier. Damn damn damn. Getting rid of that ASAP. I’ve got a ppm meter. Not sure what lux is. Forgot to welcome you grandpa..

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Thanks.. hadn’t thought of metal in the dehumidifier. Damn damn damn. Getting rid of that ASAP. I’ve got a ppm meter. Not sure what lux is. Forgot to welcome you grandpa..

Here is the lux meter that I use.

Digital Light Meter, LX1330B, Dr.meter

Dr.Meter LX1330B Digital Illuminance/Light Meter, 0 - 200,000 Lux Luxmeter Model number: 1330B-V 4-Range: 0/200/2,000/20,000/200,000 Lux High Accuracy and rapid response, Auto Zeroing Over-range indication, Unit and Sign display for easy reading Data Hold & Peak-Data hold switches, Low power...

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Here are a few articles on its use.

How to Use a Lux Meter to Increase Cannabis Yields - RQS Blog

Among pH testers, loupes, and refractometers, lux meters are a useful tool cannabis growers can harness to ensure optimal plant productivity and health.

www.royalqueenseeds.com

How to Use a Cheap Lux Meter to Increase Yields | Grow Weed Easy

An inexpensive lux meter lets you measure that amount of light at a specific point in space - learn how to use this tool to increase your yields!

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honestly for these sativas, i dont like going to high and try to avoid maxing things out plus you can have a more even spread when the lights are just a bit higher

Do you have a ph meter that you can calibrate?

 

[StickyBandit]

Here is the lux meter that I use.

Digital Light Meter, LX1330B, Dr.meter

Dr.Meter LX1330B Digital Illuminance/Light Meter, 0 - 200,000 Lux Luxmeter Model number: 1330B-V 4-Range: 0/200/2,000/20,000/200,000 Lux High Accuracy and rapid response, Auto Zeroing Over-range indication, Unit and Sign display for easy reading Data Hold & Peak-Data hold switches, Low power...

drmeter.com

Here are a few articles on its use.

How to Use a Lux Meter to Increase Cannabis Yields - RQS Blog

Among pH testers, loupes, and refractometers, lux meters are a useful tool cannabis growers can harness to ensure optimal plant productivity and health.

www.royalqueenseeds.com

How to Use a Cheap Lux Meter to Increase Yields | Grow Weed Easy

An inexpensive lux meter lets you measure that amount of light at a specific point in space - learn how to use this tool to increase your yields!

www.growweedeasy.com

honestly for these sativas, i dont like going to high and try to avoid maxing things out plus you can have a more even spread when the lights are just a bit higher

Do you have a ph meter that you can calibrate?

I agree, erring on the lower side for lights and nutes seems like a safer option. You can always up them. Maybe a bit of slow growth and some paling but nothing severe.
I was reading somewhere that too much mag is not good and accumulates. Dolomite lime has quite a bit, as opposed to lime, and once added is there still a need to add cal with mag?
I'm always learning so I genuinely would like to know

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

I agree, erring on the lower side for lights and nutes seems like a safer option. You can always up them. Maybe a bit of slow growth and some paling but nothing severe.
I was reading somewhere that too much mag is not good and accumulates. Dolomite lime has quite a bit, as opposed to lime, and once added is there still a need to add cal with mag?
I'm always learning so I genuinely would like to know

I still add the cal mag, but at about half the rate, also i did have a little bit of bone meal and a bit of gupsum in there also, at much lower rates.

bone meal provides calcium phosphorus right away and is great for roots, stretch, early-mid flowering

Gypsum is a slow-release source of sulphur and calcium which play a key role in improving soil structure, aeration and water retention. also sulfur for all the terps.

2 Tablespoons per gallon is a pretty safe dose. for each of those ingredients, but i wasn’t adding 6 Tablespoons per gallon. Dololite was my primary and just replaced a few tablespoons of dolomite with equal parts of bone and gypsum

so a 5 gallon container would get like 6 tablespoons of dolomite and 2 tablespoons of bone and 2 tablespoons of gypsum, but if i could only choose one it would be dolomite.

Then i use botanicare calmag plus, id add 1 tsp per 2 gallons, so half of max dose, i also use tons of molasses so their is magnesium in that, but i think im at the upper limit on magnesium

 

[blondie]

Great info here. I bought a number of ph meters a few years ago. I spent up on two which never worked properly. I bought some cheaops also and the ph never calibrated properly. So.. no ph meter atm. The light meter is a good idea. I have the lights up about 90% .

Not sure I Put this in the thread. I’m using mars hydro 6500 led in an 8ft tall Gorilla tent. It’s overkill. It does fit but barely. Difficult to manage. Soil is happy frog and ocean forest. Nutes I put espoma tomato tone, gypsum in soil and later added bone meal tea. A few scoops of Epsom salts now and again with water, and recently in lieu of issues botanic care cal mag instead of Epsom and gypsum. I have dolomite lime but stopped using it for now. Once tomato tone runs out I will be switching to something. Maybe Mother Earth organics.

...2 Tablespoons per gallon is a pretty safe dose.... per gallon of water? Or gallon of soil. Assume water but want to make sure.

I snapped some ka5h images last night. This is the fast flowering stretchy gal. This is mostly the top half or so. I seeded her with mm x hz 21 pollen and will call it ThaiMal Haze. Despite the leaves she is putting in weight. I’m wondering it may be time for some nutes. Hard for me to tell after it got over nuted.

You can also see my cbd plant on the left in some images. Up until about 4 days ago it was a beautiful plant. I only fed plain water. Not sure what happened to her. I did move onto the watering system. And it got slightly closer to the light. Wouldn’t have thought that would do it.

Thanks for comments everyone.

 

[Timj]

Great info here. I bought a number of ph meters a few years ago. I spent up on two which never worked properly. I bought some cheaops also and the ph never calibrated properly. So.. no ph meter atm. The light meter is a good idea. I have the lights up about 90% .

Not sure I Put this in the thread. I’m using mars hydro 6500 led in an 8ft tall Gorilla tent. It’s overkill. It does fit but barely. Difficult to manage. Soil is happy frog and ocean forest. Nutes I put espoma tomato tone, gypsum in soil and later added bone meal tea. A few scoops of Epsom salts now and again with water, and recently in lieu of issues botanic care cal mag instead of Epsom and gypsum. I have dolomite lime but stopped using it for now. Once tomato tone runs out I will be switching to something. Maybe Mother Earth organics.

...2 Tablespoons per gallon is a pretty safe dose.... per gallon of water? Or gallon of soil. Assume water but want to make sure.

I snapped some ka5h images last night. This is the fast flowering stretchy gal. This is mostly the top half or so. I seeded her with mm x hz 21 pollen and will call it ThaiMal Haze. Despite the leaves she is putting in weight. I’m wondering it may be time for some nutes. Hard for me to tell after it got over nuted.

You can also see my cbd plant on the left in some images. Up until about 4 days ago it was a beautiful plant. I only fed plain water. Not sure what happened to her. I did move onto the watering system. And it got slightly closer to the light. Wouldn’t have thought that would do it.

Thanks for comments everyone.

I'm a organic grower so I'm not an expert in your growing style . But, this may help. Tomato fertilizer is usually high in potassium.. Using bloom fertilizers in excess can cause high levels of phosphorus and potassium that can lead to magnesium lockout. Iron deficiency can occur in alkaline soils, where too much calcium or bicarbonate can prevent the iron from being absorbed. Treatment: Flush the medium with pH-adjusted fresh water.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Great info here. I bought a number of ph meters a few years ago. I spent up on two which never worked properly. I bought some cheaops also and the ph never calibrated properly. So.. no ph meter atm. The light meter is a good idea. I have the lights up about 90% .

Not sure I Put this in the thread. I’m using mars hydro 6500 led in an 8ft tall Gorilla tent. It’s overkill. It does fit but barely. Difficult to manage. Soil is happy frog and ocean forest. Nutes I put espoma tomato tone, gypsum in soil and later added bone meal tea. A few scoops of Epsom salts now and again with water, and recently in lieu of issues botanic care cal mag instead of Epsom and gypsum. I have dolomite lime but stopped using it for now. Once tomato tone runs out I will be switching to something. Maybe Mother Earth organics.

...2 Tablespoons per gallon is a pretty safe dose.... per gallon of water? Or gallon of soil. Assume water but want to make sure.

I snapped some ka5h images last night. This is the fast flowering stretchy gal. This is mostly the top half or so. I seeded her with mm x hz 21 pollen and will call it ThaiMal Haze. Despite the leaves she is putting in weight. I’m wondering it may be time for some nutes. Hard for me to tell after it got over nuted.

You can also see my cbd plant on the left in some images. Up until about 4 days ago it was a beautiful plant. I only fed plain water. Not sure what happened to her. I did move onto the watering system. And it got slightly closer to the light. Wouldn’t have thought that would do it.

Thanks for comments everyone.

Your plants look great!

I really think getting a good reliable ph meter will help eliminate a few problems for you though. this is what i use.

Groline Hydroponic pH Meter - HI98115 | Hanna Instruments

Hanna Instruments HI98115 Groline hydroponic pH meter is an advanced feature pH tester that allows users to measure pH in hydroponic nutrient solutions.

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I started buying jugs of filtered water at my local “fill your own” and using that to soften my tap water. ( i plan on going full RO soon)

Those measurements about 2 Tablespoons per gallon are for soil.

I use jacks classic in veg and jacks 10-30-20 in flower,
and calmag plus

I have actually had good luck with a happy frog, ocean forest mix… I bag of each a few gallons of more perlite and then 2 Tablespoons of dolomite lime per gallon, it works but im starting to look more into using roots organic.

@Timj mentions the potassium in tomato ferts, sometimes they also have more calcium for blossom end rot, that can also lock out other nutrients.

Take note of Mulders Chart.

You got some great genetics, I scored some Mullumbimby Madness mixes from @ojd but was a value pack and they are 3 different types in there.

also during any flush, you can get some fulvic and humic acid really cheap.

RAW Humic Acid

RAW Humic Acid contains 59% Humic Acids derived from Leonardite which is the most concentrated, water Soluble humic acid product on the market today. In nature, humic acid has a buffering effect on the pH of soils. It can raise the pH of acid soils and lower the pH of alkaline soils. RAW Humic...

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