Indica is diluting the sacred herb

[bombadil.360]

imo, this whole indica vs. sativa thing is not as clear-cut as many people seem to think it is...

there are sativas that will knock you down, very narcotic. think of lowland Colombians.

and there are indicas that will have you flying high. Think of some Nepali indicas.

there are many issues not yet resolved with the whole sub-categories of sativa, indica and ruderalis to be taking such classifications too literally and seriously.

smoke what makes you feel good; but also, don't miss out on experimenting with new things.

peace

 

[plur]

Well written dude. I gotta disagree with you, but to each his own I guess. Personally, I like both equally, it just depends on the situation. Indica's are good for when I just wanna chill out and lounge it around; I like sativa's when I'm out and about. Sativa's in the morning and indica's at night.

 

[TenToesTall]

Chiskei is an african Sativa. Finishes in 50-60 days. Very good smoke, uplifting, and thought provoking.. Im growing more outdoors this season.. You can bet I will be making loads of f2's as wells. This is that type of weed u rip a few times and get those AH HAAA moments.. Very good for the mind

10TT

 

[plur]

Indica might as well be a different drug than sativa. An Indica lover is a different person (to a very large degree) than a sativa lover. For about 95% of cannabis history, the sativa is what everyone smoked and was accociated with cannibas in general. I personally don't even consider Indica cannabis, though I admit that it is
'technically' cannabis. That guy who wrote the article was dead on. He expressed everything I've felt about Indicas for a long time...I've just never heard anyone else put my own thoughts down on paper like that. And yes, Indicas are POLLUTING. Look what it did to kalimist...it is now pure garbage adulterated with shitty Indica. I used to get good mex & jam sativa...sometimes in good form (not bricked up) but now it is mixed with Indica. That in itself is what made me start growing many years ago. THE ONLY and I mean O N L Y reason Indica even is thriving nowadays is not how it makes you feel, but because it looks good, smells good (just like the guy says in that old article) has short flowering time with big yields.....that is what has kept it even alive. Cash croppers love the Indica...it makes them the cash real quickly. Now I realize that Indica has medicinal properties for people who need it & I think that's stellar. To me that is where it ends. All this research breeders are doing could be better spent on creating pure sativas that are easier to grow with bigger yields, shorter flowering times yada yada. To the thread creator you cannot speak out against Indica on this site without causing anger (I myself don't care). A lot of these guys make their living growing/selling Indica so they are usually the first ones to flame you. All in all I'd trade an lb of the most beautiful, fruity smelling Indica for a quarter of sativa schwag anyday. And did I mention Indica is pure garbage that God needs to just make go away! God, if you are really there, please wipe Indica off the planet.......sir. Yay sativa

Haha damn dude chill out. Sounds like you'd benefit from smokin some of that sweet, fruity indica...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Sativa is diluting my kickass autoflower feminized painted seed ruderalis!

 

[m00nchild]

^ ROFL

Hey TenToesTall... is that Chiskei just a local name for it, or is it a strain for which seeds can be bought? If so, what seed bank? Sounds interesting.

 

[SOTF420]

Yeah seriously Sativa is trying to make my Indica take too damn long to flower!

 

[tribe]

Tetragammon -Not all consumers want indica. There was an article in a national paper a year or so back about "high rollers" of creative types, graphic artists, film makers, web designers, musicians etc etc in london paying top dollar for sativa strains.

Most dealers aren't in it to spread the love, they are in it to get money. Simple as that. They just want big harvest, short flowering time, dense buds, more money.

Yes we can grow ourselves, but not everyone has that luxury so that still leaves the masses without choice. You say people have "chosen" indica, but if thats all we have, where's the hell is the choice? Even if it was chosen, it was chosen years ago, and people start toking for the first time everyday, where's their choice?? I think the dealers have chosen for us, most people just want to get some weed and be happy and are just grateful someone has taken the risk to grow and/or don't know any better. I wonder what the most popular strains are in amsterdam coffee shops for the locals, cos this would give us some insight into what people want...

And tetragammaton before you say "move to another country" again, fuck that! Why should we have to trade poverty for sativa? Leave all our friends and family behind just because sativa isn't as efficient to grow. That argument sucks balls man. Is indica native to where you are, or did you move somewhere where it is a natural landrace? We need to legalise it, get a bigger menu, actually give people a choice, but until its legal then things won't change. I'm all for both strains and mixes, let people decide, but lets not flood the market with indica. But dealers take risks, they want to minimise those risks, and they want the biggest reward they can for those risks, even at the expense of the consumers. It sucks, but this is how it is.

Couldn't agree more statusquo, the majority of people haven't been educated on the variety of ganja's strains and effects, so how are they to know any better. I'd say that alot of the casual, hobby tokers think that all ganja is indica, unless they bother to do some research, which I doubt, cos they'll be couchlocked. But if, of course they'd tried sativa before they'd be wondering where the hell that high is... they might go searching...

Peace,
tribe.

 

[Cush]

It's a lame argument. For everyone that prefers sativas there's gonna be as many people who prefer indicas. But sativa smokers assume that people that don't think like them are ignorant or just don't know any better. Sativa smokers aren't any more complex or educated. Again do what and smoke what you enjoy - just don't act like a douche while you're doing it.

 

[Greyskull]

cheese and rice!!!! this is a funny thread hahaha

^^^^ cush is right on!!!

you dont need to get all twacked out searching and racing to find your creative center... not everybody anyways. some folks just need to relax and fall into their subconsciuos and let the art take over. AND INDICAS ARE GREAT FOR THAT

somehow, like magic, i can smoke a HUGE bong rip of chem d, tune a guitar, set the marshall stack on "stand by", get a diet pepsi, rip another huge bowl from the roor, turn the amp "on" and procede to rock out for a few hours creating new riffs and piecing new songs together... maybe even finish a track if the pieces fall togther.

the majority of people haven't been educated on the variety of ganja's strains and effects, so how are they to know any better.

education is worthless; experience is priceless.

 

[tetragrammaton]

tribe, I never claimed consumers want or prefer indica, statusquo stated himself that "consumers want indica", which confused me, as I thought the whole point of his thread was to try to prove that in reality people prefer sativas, they just don't know it.

What I did say, was that if people didn't enjoy and/or prefer indicas when they first hit the scene, it would have gone nowhere, just like hemp, at least for recreational purposes.

Indica's, and their hybrids, made it possible for growers in areas where sativa's simply dont finish, to grow. Obviously that made it a big hit with people.

I've personally grown a pure 16+ week sativa, and I am the first to admit, no hybrid can come close. It is truly unique, fine, ultra high quality, cannabis. People that are not educated in pure sativas, and are used to seeing dense buds, would think it looks like shit. 6" buds dry to around a gram, with extremely airy, foxtailed "buds". You can see light everywhere by holding it up to a window. Don't get me wrong, the final product was of the highest quality, but still, outdoors is where it would have thrived, and even then, it still wouldn't have yielded much. That is the reason why pure sativas are no longer commercial strains, at least in North America.

When all America had was imported Sativas, they were being grown in countries with the right climate to grow acres and acres of giant sativas.

Now, we are no longer reliant on importing weed, especially weed that usually was never harvested properly, or grown without seeds.

I firmly believe that all growers should grow at least one pure sativa to see what is possible. I too would love for growers to grow pure sativas on a commercial scale, but I really don't see that happening.

My other country idea was not sarcastic. The best sativas in the world, growing in the full sun, grown on a commercial scale, are available, in their native regions. In my honest opinion, in order to grow pure Sativa's to their fullest quality, it would have to be done outdoors.

And again, honestly amazing, flavorful, seedless sativa spears are still imported into the US, but people who are used to domestic weed will not touch it because of the stigma of mexican weed being shit in the past.

To statusquo: I'm curious what your opinion is regarding sativa dominant hybrids? Have you not found any that you like? C99 and Trainwreck come to mind.

Also, the "average" consumer who doesn't have the luxury to grow, most likely does not have the luxury to live in a medical state, or have the desire to spend top dollar on top quality strains. the average person most likely will smoke mids and in that case there's a good chance it's a sativa dominant outdoor hybrid. I admit, recently a lot of mids have been mexican grown dutch strains, but the good sativas are still out there, and in my area (the midwest) alot of new smokers start their smoking career off of mexican sativas, and are disappointed when they smoke their first "name brand" indica, and don't get high.

Anyway, to clarify again, sometimes I prefer indica, sometimes I prefer sativa... I love them both, and both are available in seed form for any of us to order, as well as countless hybrids of the two.

I don't care what your preference is, and I too would like to see more pure sativas available, but in reality, in north america, until it becomes legal (if it ever does) it is not going to happen, other than the growers growing their own personal sativas, and sharing with close friends/family.

peace, good luck, hope you find a strain that works for you

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Trainwreck is great but the Afghan in it made it way too fast.

I bet it'd be more potent and trippy if it could go longer.

I still think sativa is diluting my basil.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

So.... if everyone likes indicas....


Why do they not like them anymore..... after they've had nothing but 90%+ and 100% pure Sativas for a week?


I'm telling you now..... MOST people who say they prefer indicas..... haven't ever climbed out of the indica slime-pit long enough for their head to clear.

Stay Safe!

 

[m00nchild]

I'm going to go ahead and throw out the possibility that people who prefer sativas might also be the kind of people who enjoy shrooms, LSD, and maybe even ecstasy... whereas the people who prefer indicas might also be the kind of people who enjoy alcohol, opiates, and xanax.

Neither one is better than the other... they are so vastly different that it's like comparing apples and oranges. I myself prefer sativa, having always enjoyed acid and other psychedelics... but I also can dig a good indica for some nighttime relaxation, or pain relief after a long day of working out in the yard, along with a cold Sam Adams in my hand.

Someone already said it, but if anyone wants to complain about genetics being fucked with irreparably, it would be all the nonsensical ruderalis hybridizing that's going on today. Fuck ruderalis, fuck lowryder and all of its devil spawn, fuck autoflowering strains.

Yes, I said it.

 

[Herbal extasy]

It is not about sativa or indica. It is about commercial growers and their habits. I know here most commercial growers spit on it, if it takes more than 50 days, even if their sub50 day strains are not near ready at day 50. It is just that weight and quick cycle only matters. Myself not being commercial, will try in next grow some fast strains and some hazehybrids. Variety is spice of life.

AF strains. They have their place. Even if I spit on them too, because reason I can grow much more potent stuff in my closet, they are basically only option here to grow outside with little knowledge or without pregrowing plants inside first during our short summer.

So, if you fed up with shitty smoke, then grow your own.

 

[enter sandman]

.........facinating

 

[RudolfTheRed]

I prefer to smoke satvias but i don't mind indicas and have found quite a few indicas to be great to smoke, but overall i think the problem is that the market is dominated by indicas and if there was more of a variety, and less of the same shit being grown commercial articles like this wouldn't be necessary. nothing wrong with a good indica but i want to toke sativas too, but finding a dealer that has a constant supply of sativa strains is hard to come by in my region like for most. both sativa and indica have there places its just indicas dominate right now, and like with anything in life people are always looking for something new and exotic they haven't tried before. you could be the best grower in the world but if your smoking the same indica strains day after day its gunna get old.

 

[SOTF420]

Yeah unless you have a nice hybrid like Sweet Tooth it's the best of both worlds.

But excellent points man, right on.

 

[ezimbalistjr]

Hello,

Does not some civilizations have indica cannabis as the native cannabis? India, Nepal, Afghanistan and others do have indica for thousands of years and not the sativa. Would that not be spiritual and sacred cannabis to those people? I like both types of cannabis but the indica takes very much less time to grow and is smaller, so easier to grow hidden.

 

[bombadil.360]

Hello,

Does not some civilizations have indica cannabis as the native cannabis? India, Nepal, Afghanistan and others do have indica for thousands of years and not the sativa. Would that not be spiritual and sacred cannabis to those people? I like both types of cannabis but the indica takes very much less time to grow and is smaller, so easier to grow hidden.

India, Nepal and Afghanistan have both, indicas and sativas.

and naturally occurring hybrids of both, due to open pollination and all.

I like hybrids a lot, SOTF420 says, many have the best of both worlds...

peace