Indica is diluting the sacred herb

[Water-]

All plants grown by the hand of man, ie. “cultivated”, is Sativa!

SATIVA is a Latin term that means CULTIVATED!

It matters not whether hemp or drug type!

But the ignorance will continue!

How fucking difficult is it to open a legitimate dictionary?

In communication, context can be as important as scientific definitions.

These are laymen speaking colloquially in the tokers den.



The Latin word is Sativum.
Sativa means feminine
and Sativus is masculine

Didn't Sam say that genetics has shown that all drug varieties are indicas and hemp is sativa?




Happy New year!

 

[CaptainDankness]

In communication, context can be as important as scientific definitions.

These are laymen speaking colloquially in the tokers den.



The Latin word is Sativum.
Sativa means feminine
and Sativus is masculine

Didn't Sam say that genetics has shown that all drug varieties are indicas and hemp is sativa?




Happy New year!

Not sure about Sam, but Robert Clarke talked about it all being hemp I believe. Something like we have narrow leaf drug hemp, broad leaf drug hemp and basically the same for non drug hemp. Might not be the exact terms.

Of course people do get different effects from different strains, sounds like THCV is what probably gives good Sativa's that traditional up high and THC gives more of the couch lock high. Of course that's my hypothesis from reading up on THCV a little bit.

Terpines might play a role too but I kind of doubt the terpines play that big of a role. I would think that they are more like aroma therapy don't get you high and we use terpines to make at least some aromas. I never noticed too much of a difference with good tasting herbs if it tastes great it tastes great don't think one flavor really changes my high more than another.

I'm sure you we really can breed the same high as a sativa into an Indica like plant say C99 but even better if we bred them to test a higher THCV level. Don't need to do GMO of course it's going to take a lot of time and money to produce it. Really should be no different than CBD Crew just got to find a strain with high THCV to selectively breed in high THCV.

Of course I'm sure their are more cannabinoids at play.

 

['Boogieman']

I have a belief that the THC crystal in sativas is much different than Indicas. Those are the terms I understand so thats what im using. I also believe if a plant say with thai in its lineage was grown in Thailand in open pollination after many years it would eventually evolve into "Thai like the 70's". I base that on the pretendica that comes from mexican bagseed lately.

 

[SoulAnnoyed]

I remember when plants were sticky and had no frost. Didn't worry about pointless designations. Indica and sativa, most believe are Cannabis terms, not plant terms. So we all know what we mean. Its all hybrid,
we know that. I remember the first time I used the term Sativa. The guy I was buying from thought i was accusing him of selling Salvia divornum.


As I posted elsewhere, "indica" (and yes we all know RCC is rolling his eyes) is a compromise for financial/legal reasons. Spindly bud didn't matter when it was all for hash and took up acres. Aaaaand we've come full circle on that.. Americans are smoking hash again... And it's all the same and boring. Unless you pay 100 a gram and wonder how the fuck they produced something so amazing. I'd like a little more of the amazing, ethereal stuff, regardless of plant structure.

We all have our worthless opinions backed by nothing but learned terminology (literally words) and a desire to categorize.. Kevin Jodrey says 70s weed wasn't landrace, because it was cultivated. But he knows what we all mean.

We can all agree we aren't satisfied 9 times out of 10 though. And are all convinced at one time we were satisfied with what could be readily purchased. I remember putting lemon flavoring in bud back then. It wasn't quite as satisfying as I like the reminisce. (and maybe we never will be satisfied but who's rolling their eyes at the hunt?)

 

[Natural high]

I remember when plants were sticky and had no frost.

I started growing sativa's outdoors in the late 70's down under and the plants had plenty of frost. Practically no one in my country was growing indicas.

Didn't worry about pointless designations. Indica and sativa, most believe are Cannabis terms, not plant terms. So we all know what we mean. Its all hybrid,
we know that.

Sativa's originated mainly from tropical east Asia and were spread by humans to Africa, and the Americas. They have a tall open structure and get you high. Indica's originate from temperate central Asia, have a short bushy structure and get you stoned. They are very different.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I remember when plants were sticky and had no frost. Didn't worry about pointless designations. Indica and sativa, most believe are Cannabis terms, not plant terms. So we all know what we mean. Its all hybrid,
we know that. I remember the first time I used the term Sativa. The guy I was buying from thought i was accusing him of selling Salvia divornum.


As I posted elsewhere, "indica" (and yes we all know RCC is rolling his eyes) is a compromise for financial/legal reasons. Spindly bud didn't matter when it was all for hash and took up acres. Aaaaand we've come full circle on that.. Americans are smoking hash again... And it's all the same and boring. Unless you pay 100 a gram and wonder how the fuck they produced something so amazing. I'd like a little more of the amazing, ethereal stuff, regardless of plant structure.

We all have our worthless opinions backed by nothing but learned terminology (literally words) and a desire to categorize.. Kevin Jodrey says 70s weed wasn't landrace, because it was cultivated. But he knows what we all mean.

We can all agree we aren't satisfied 9 times out of 10 though. And are all convinced at one time we were satisfied with what could be readily purchased. I remember putting lemon flavoring in bud back then. It wasn't quite as satisfying as I like the reminisce. (and maybe we never will be satisfied but who's rolling their eyes at the hunt?)

i did watch that clip old of old kev ,
made me ponder the actual definition of a landrace ,
because it didnt seem quite right to me ..

so this was the best i was able to come up with ...

‘a landrace is a dynamic population(s) of a cultivated plant that has historical origin, distinct identity and lacks formal crop improvement, as well as often being genetically diverse, locally adapted and associated with traditional farming systems’.

im guessing kevin was referring to the crop improvement part to qualify the thai weed not to be a landrace variety ... ??
otherwise , it fits kinda neatly ...

 

[Stickybred420]

ace seeds and cannabiogen for those who want some landrace goodies. thers more out there aswell. love me some indica though. wouldn't want to be in a world without god bud.

 

[Stickybred420]

I think its also interesting to note, on the subject of potency then and now, that there was no chem dog nebulus back in the old days. I am not an old head, but I think it is safe to say that chem bloodlines have changes the face of cannabs and are of the most potent and terpene rich varieties to date. and with these genetics as a breeding tool there have been many strains with confirmed potency/ active cannabinoid test hitting above the 30% mark. things like original glue and stardog. hell even og kush. you could never go backwards on genetics like this. you could never just take them away from the equation and not expect a massive void. these varieties are next level. they have changesd the face of cannabis as we know it. and that's why they were bred. even though we may never know the real origins I think we can conclude that its some next level shit that was created with that exact though in mind. to take us to the next level and keep breaking ceilings. why not push this plant to the max? that's breeding right there!








I also have smoked real red Congolese and real oaxacan from the source and by todays standards I have to say that it looked like it had been fully vaped (dark brown) before it had been bagged and sold. but it did have a very nice effect that I had never previously experienced. to me it wasn't near as powerful as my regular stuff. but it was super nice to try something different. I didn't get like rocket ship high or anything but it was really really different from the norm. for that reason from a breeding stand point they are valuable tools for hybridization. because why not try to get a plant with the same or better high, smell and yield. who knows it could be the next elite.

 

[troutman]

If you don't like Indicas and like Sativas a lot more. Nothing stops you from growing them.

The question is: Do you have the skills and/or patience to flower something that can go 16+ weeks.

Most people don't want to go longer than 9 weeks and that's why Indicas are more commonly grown.

 

[rolandomota]

I like that col jam by underground seeds and beyond the brain by mandala ace Malawi and golden tiger those are some real weed tripp weed complex highs versus the warm relaxing sleepy feel good BOORING high with little or no mind stimulus from INDICA dominant motas

 

[CaptainDankness]

If you don't like Indicas and like Sativas a lot more. Nothing stops you from growing them.

The question is: Do you have the skills and/or patience to flower something that can go 16+ weeks.

Most people don't want to go longer than 9 weeks and that's why Indicas are more commonly grown.

Yep, that's the biggest problem. Of course once we get federal legalization we will have huge farms in Columbia and all selling their weed well grown and cured, no more bullshit brick weed sitting around in bales for years, just top of the line sativa or narrow leaf to Clarke.

Of course weeds going to end up dirt cheap can't possibly cost more than good tobacco to grow and cure on large scale.

Of course it's a little funny seeing the Californians freaking out. Lol, like yeah, just like tobacco and alcohol we ain't keeping prohibition prices, I don't care if it sucks and fucks.

 

[troutman]

Of course it's a little funny seeing the Californians freaking out. Lol

Californians, Oregonions,etc. are going to more be than freaking out when imported weed produced for dirt cheap
hailing from traditional Landrace areas floods their markets. They better sell their grow equipment and get back
into rap music or whatever they think is cool.

What they have now is like breakdancing and disco music. It's going to go down the toilet at a theater near you.

I just wonder which YouTube group of Terp Tards will be the 1st to sit
around and cry about it in one of their 3 hour white noise episodes.

i.e. The Adam Dunn Show, Hash Church, etc.

 

[Easy7]

If ganja gets fed legal, we are going to be kicking ourselves in the ass and telling grand kids what the herb used to cost in black market.

 

[xet]

I am 100% Sativa connoisseur but I always have at least one good indica around for the pain and extra help to sleep.

Also certain indicas deliver a type of sacred experience that is very realigning to a person's psyche helping gain perspective over past stigma for example.

I do agree many hybrids are very stoney and tether me to nothing and I find great dissatisfaction with those strains.

High altitudes will always produce the best indicas and the equator will always produce the best sativas but you have to wonder who wants to live at 62'N and who wants to live at the equator. That plant is made for the human condition.

 

[Raho]

Yep, that's the biggest problem. Of course once we get federal legalization we will have huge farms in Columbia and all selling their weed well grown and cured, no more bullshit brick weed sitting around in bales for years, just top of the line sativa or narrow leaf to Clarke.

Of course weeds going to end up dirt cheap can't possibly cost more than good tobacco to grow and cure on large scale.

Of course it's a little funny seeing the Californians freaking out. Lol, like yeah, just like tobacco and alcohol we ain't keeping prohibition prices, I don't care if it sucks and fucks.

You sound like somebody that buys $20 bags of mids and thinks he's a connoisseur. Certainly not a grower.

There is nothing funny about the collapse of the black market and failure of breeders and farmers from the most prolific breeding hotspot of our generation.
What do you think happens to all the old heirloom varieties these people have been working for 30, 40 years when they can no longer make enough money to keep growing them?
You think they are gonna keep a library of cuttings from the strains they inherited from their parents while struggling to pay bills in their shitty new jobs?
You think the green-rushing corp weed bastards will offer them enough cash to coax them to sell their lifetime seed collections?
Of course not.
The failure of farms leads to large scale disappearance of valuable genetics from the market. Giant seed collections stashed away, often in poor conditions, maybe to never be seen again.

And this says nothing about the human cost to people who have been at the forefront of culture change, now left stranded, often with the stigma of a police record and without skills to support their family in other careers.
The peaceful growers, living in the hills in harmony with nature driven out by govt regulation into what is often a bleak future.
The money that used to support their families now lining the pockets of suit wearing corporate assholes and government bureaucrats (taxes.)

Ask Charlie Garcia about the state of cannabis in south america today. How much of the original treasure is still there and what it takes to find it. Dutch genetics have long since invaded that market and dominates. Crippy. If you think the market pressures that forced the dominance of short flowering strains over long flowering sativas are going to just disappear because the plants can be grown under sunlight year round in some remote jungle, you are lying to yourself.

If growers in south america and asia grow weed bred in california, colorado, and oregon to satisfy what the market demands, but the growers who developed those strains are all pushed out, where will the "next big things" come from?

The answer to the question of "Which is better, Indica v Sativa?" is NEITHER, or BOTH.

But the tyranny of the marketplace teaches us that it doesn't matter what the grower thinks is best, the customers define what gets grown in each run and they overwhelmingly demand wide leaf hybrids.

Your fantasy about the world suddenly changing to demand narrow leaf strains that make them think instead of wide leaf strains that help them forget is charming.

 

[BruceBanner]

Indica is not the problem, it's the breeders that ruined the genetics worldwide.

 

[Raho]

Indica is not the problem, it's the breeders that ruined the genetics worldwide.

It's the war on drugs that destroyed cannabis cultures around the world. "Breeders" are the only ones responsible for preserving what we have left today.
Point your finger of blame where it belongs.

As far as "ruining" genetics, the market has an amazing variety of fire available today. Yes, much has been lost and those who seek to relive memories of a special line from the old days may have a lot of work to recapture it, but cannabis is an outcrossing plant, and the genetic diversity is almost infinite.

 

[Cvh]

Yes indica is destroying the sacred ganja... Or is it sativa that's destroying the hashplants?
Either way I don't like either in pure form. I like a good hybrid.

It's not the breeders that are destroying the 'pure' genetics. It's indeed the war on drugs that's destroying the heirloom strains of pure Sativa's and Indica's.

 

[St. Phatty]

Effects of Cannabis depend a LOT on AGE of the person using Cannabis.

When I was younger, I could smoke 2 to 3 grams a day, and focus on some complex electronics task till my neck & back said, "REST".

One of the most interesting results I ever had was hallucinogenic-ish insights into a grad school class in vector calculus for microwave circuits. It didn't make sense and then, it made sense, like an entire blackboard filled with equations.

With microwave circuits part of the study is, how energy is exchanged between electric and magnetic fields.

Mathiest stuff I've ever seen. The kind of stuff that makes you say, "I'm gonna need a bigger piece of paper."

I had to 'kind of' jack myself up with caffeine and THC and sometimes, exercise, to really get it.

The butter that gave me the most hallucinogenic experience was 1 1/2 pounds of trim (from Mendo) with 10 pounds of butter. I actually don't know what the composition of the trim was (Indica vs. Sativa). It was made by a professional chef who happened to be my neighbor.

Now I'm happy to find Herb that helps me simply clean my office.

That tends to get delayed while I focus on other tasks for a year.


Anyway, Cannabis is a complex herb affecting a very complex system, the human brain.

If you're going to talk about Indica vs. Sativa accurately, age also needs to be taken into account.

It would be interesting to see how Cannabis affects people's scores on standardized testing, e.g. the SAT.


My standard dose now (I inhale once, & hold it for a minute or 2) doesn't move the dial on a .01 gram meter (i.e. it reads .00 grams).

In general I would say, THANK GOD for Indica, and the variety that is brings to Cannabis. Both in terms of effects and in terms of flowering characteristics.


I tend to smoke Sat dom's earlier in the day, then transition to Indica dom's around 3 PM.

 

[Easy7]

It would be nice to have every strain ever to be preserved. But we live in changing times on a planet growing smaller and more hostile to every living thing. Be glad that certian political types didn't not get their way, and there is still cannabis.

If you want a variety preserved, it's up to you. Make beans and sell some of those beans. It's hard to find pure sativa beans. And fact is every time someone makes a selection and makes beans, it changes a little bit.

My climate just cannot handle 100 day flowering sativas without a lot of cash in a greenhouse. Never did get that private US Virgin Island.