Imported (Moroccan, Afghani, Nepalase) Hash photo's and discussion....

[bibi40]

High quality resin shouldn't be sticky or dark, that has been ruined by heat and oxidation.

I totally disagree with this point , but , as you said it's not objective but just my experience , my thoughts ,
i don't think my own stuff , while just press after dryin' , is too much " overcured " or " cooked " like you said ,
since when i press it it become dark , or black , let say it ....


it' s just a process ,
personnaly i don' t like unpressed stuff , just about taste and terps ( personnal , once again ) ...
when i get some unpressed stuff , i did it myself and prefer the final product everytime ...

 

[ojd]

Nothing strange about it, just high quality resin with nothing added.

What extra process? It's curing, people have done it with resin for centuries it's nothing new, it's just the quality of the resin is way better now and modern genetics with more terps.

No one is pressing anything, it's just well made hash, nothing added there's no need.

The 2nd photo is the smaller piece from the 1st photo cured via body temp, that's terps and oil leaking out.

Modern hashes like this are 60 plus percent THC (70% plus total cannabinoids) and over 5% terps, there's no need to add anything I don't understand why you think there is something weird going on.

No such thing as triple filtered that's a marketing thing for commercial operations.
Two times filtered at most is what is used now.

I'm sorry but it shits all over beldia and any top quality home made I've tried, nothing comes close to it but if you think that, that's your opinion and this is mine based on my experience the last few years.

I can get beldia now if I want it but I don't, it's not worth the money to quality ratioit's too much work to produce it too.

The Moroccan hash game has changed for the better in my opinion, people have more knowledge and are actually caring about how the resin is made, stored and then sold.




High quality resin shouldn't be sticky or dark, that has been ruined by heat and oxidation.

Before anyone says that Indian hash or charas is dark, well they don't have a clue how to look after resin and it shows it in their products.

Also hand rubbing processes introduce more heat too from the body, so that resin will darken more because of that.

Look at any real Afghan hashes they are blonde not that black goo that's exported to Europe after being bashed together in a cement mixer.

3x filter is a bullshit marketing ploy for commercial operations, 2x filtered are what most high quality resins are.

I buy most of my hash from France, country is flooded with great resin but the methods of buying are more modern.

It's all the same process as years ago, just better sieves and more care is taken to make a better product.

Look at products like "Piatella" cold cured resin and you'll see what the best hash should look like.

Cured by body temps , what it's been down your pants all day.


So let's make it clear what I mean by Beldia I prefer 100% to this new style , not better but what I mean is have you seen ( I'm sure you have) what they used to make the Beldia back then from , the flower material ? , pure swag , looks like garbage , real landrace looking flowers , zero looking Resin, old school and produced the famous Caramelo Hash , 1 of the best Hash from 90's , amazing taste/High and really clean.

Now you got this new school ? , produced from modern hybrids , dripping in Resin , huge buds grown with boosters for yield etc etc , 1000 x better looking flowers than what they used to use and the best bits I seen ( UK and Amsterdam) don't come anywhere near the top quality Drysift or Water Hash , knowhere near , miles away .
So this new stuff you show, Rosin look everytime I had it never gave the smoke/taste of how a Drysift or water Hash would look if you made it yourself and your Drysift or Water Hash looked like Rosin ? , if your home made Hash looked like that then would be best Hash you ever made ? , this smokes nothing at all that good , not even close , not garbage but not even close to the quality it looks.

Looks 10 stars , smokes a 6-7

Maybe every batch I've tried is spoiled as you call it ? , but I tried around 5 batches in UK and around 5 in Amsterdam, none was anywhere near the quality of my best Drysift or Water Hash I've made and I'm using either sugar leaf or fully seeded flowers and these guys are using whole buds

 

[ojd]

Sooooooo much oldschool @ojd lol .
Love u and ur work so much ....but thats all the new wave stuffs . Nobody smoke beldia or soft hash now in Spain
..Italy...France... Thats all the first tests in the year ....nothing added ..only Love .
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Nobody can get Beldia it that's why nobody smokes it N surely you should know that.

I know many Hash connects and nobody can get the old Caramelo, nobody .

The farmers in Morooco have retired and sons run the shows these days and all grow new hybrids so I'm told by people the locals keep of the beldia nowadays as only a tiny patch left that they produce it (grown by the olive trees in Morroco)

These new Hash look 10 star , but do they smoke 10 star ? , not in my sampling , they smoke good and off course 10 x better than 99% of the inferior Moroccan that is about but my Beldia from years back smashed most of these new special 1's in exotic taste and even High

 

[ojd]

They been heat pressing the Hash for decades in 2 ton presses in Morroco.

Thats another thing I noticed they don't press Morrocan like they used to ( light pressed now and no year cure before press like before) I find the Hash degrades much quicker without a reall press ( I'm talking old school Morrocan style not the really melty stuff)

 

[exoticrobotic]

I miss the old caramello.

80's and 90's hash blows modern day hash away. Taste, texture, burnability and most importantly high.

Things changed in Morocco. Whether it's genetics or processing it's not as good.

 

[ojd]

I miss the old caramello.

80's and 90's hash blows modern day hash away. Taste, texture, burnability and most importantly high.

Things changed in Morocco. Whether it's genetics or processing it's not as good.

It's both, Genetics and processing

 

[exoticrobotic]

More demand through legalisation = short cuts = less quality

 

[ojd]

I miss the old caramello.

80's and 90's hash blows modern day hash away. Taste, texture, burnability and most importantly high.

Things changed in Morocco. Whether it's genetics or processing it's not as good.

This is what I'm trying to get at ?
Much improved techniques and much more THC encrusted flower they use to make Hash these days and defo not as good as the best from back then.

Yes new Hash is better than all the 2nd/3rd grade old school Morrocan from back then but not that 1st sieve Caramelo in exotic taste and clean High

 

[ojd]

100% it down to money

New hybrids produce 3 x the resin than old beldia plants and once a farmer sees that it would be hard to take him back

Also another thing I think the Resin in inferior also is they no longer wait a year before beating the plants ( they were always a year ahead with dried crops) , now as soon as it dry they must go to work.
Which also I think spoils the Hash( as the other guy put it)
I believe moisturise trapped inside like making water Hash and not drying it properly ruins most of these Hashes

As how can new hybrid with full nugs not produce the best Hash you ever seen ? And produce this great looking Hash ( but Terps and High don't deliver like you would expect) as good as our Dry or water Hash ?

 

[ojd]

I totally disagree with this point , but , as you said it's not objective but just my experience , my thoughts ,
i don't think my own stuff , while just press after dryin' , is too much " overcured " or " cooked " like you said ,
since when i press it it become dark , or black , let say it ....


it' s just a process ,
personnaly i don' t like unpressed stuff , just about taste and terps ( personnal , once again ) ...
when i get some unpressed stuff , i did it myself and prefer the final product everytime ...

Definitely pressed Hash is better, but we press and they cook it

 

[ojd]

I have 30 plus years under my belt and I was there in the 90s too and most hash was crap, the good ones that were available don't come close to what's available now.

These modern resins are not that high priced I'm paying 5e a g for most and 10e a g for the frozen or static which is a v fair price considering the quality.

Some people are paying 30e a g for similar quality but because it's from the USA ( like the Cali weed nonsense good weed can be grown almost anywhere) they think it's better but lab tests say otherwise.

Have you actually tried any of these resins from a top farm? I'm guessing you haven't if you think hash from the 90s was better, I'm heading towards my 50s now and I wish I had this choice of quality back then.

I don't know why you think that piece of hash in my photo was pressed, it came under no pressure at all, it was in my pocket and that's what body heat does, terps and oil leak out because the quality is so high and it needs to cure, they seap back into the hash like a steaks juices do when you rest/relax the meat after cooking.

It's filtered 2x through 2 different micron screens and that can including using static or frozen plants if you're wanting higher quality, they have cold rooms to keep everything cool and protect the resin.

Commercial grades like la mousse are still made the old way, the 1st pass and everything else is all mixed together, but I wouldn't trust a product sold by the mocro mafia.

Technology and knowledge over the years has enabled them to produce a far better product.

Anyway you're entitled to your opinion and I have mine and they are subjective, have a good day and I hope you get to see the modern techniques used.

So is this produced in Morocco or Spain ? , I guess Spain myself and is it small batches or can you get kilos at a time as that explains alot also.
If its Drysift made in small batches from flower I can see them producing top grade off course but what I seen has been a big let down, not garbage at all but for looks , looks amazing but most other points drop after that , smell is next best thing but taste/High dont produce what it looks/smells like .

 

[ojd]

Also the reason 99% of Morrocan is far inferior these days is beldia was a landrace inbred throwing out same pheno , new hybrids have 3 different phenos plus they definitely don't get all the same strains so we smoking 10 phenos and anyone who makes Hash knows even top material that makes 10 star Hash if you mix 10 different strains of top grade material will never be as good as either 10 run on it's own , makes a hybrid taste far inferior

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

As how can new hybrid with full nugs not produce the best Hash you ever seen ? And produce this great looking Hash ( but Terps and High don't deliver like you would expect) as good as our Dry or water Hash ?

I think their hash will never be the quality of homemade, despite using modern genetics, as a result of their drying techniques. If they dried indoors they’d see a vast improvement in quality imo, but it’s unfeasable on that volume I reckon.

I think if you took your homemade dry sift and wrapped it in parchment, sealed it, and heated it at 35-40C for a few days it would also sweat oil in the same way. I never tried it as always smoked drysift fresh off the sieve.

Peace

 

[ojd]

I think their hash will never be the quality of homemade, despite using modern genetics, as a result of their drying techniques. If they dried indoors they’d see a vast improvement in quality imo, but it’s unfeasable on that volume I reckon.

I think if you took your homemade dry sift and wrapped it in parchment, sealed it, and heated it at 35-40C for a few days it would also sweat oil in the same way. I never tried it as always smoked drysift fresh off the sieve.

Peace

Yeah the sweat thing not fazing me as water Hash and Full melt drysift will sweat/melt same if in parchment etc but when it looks like the best Hash ever ( as good or better than our best and others best) but doesn't deliver anywhere near ours or others ?

So what I mean is we getting a 10/10 looking product but not delivering how it looks

Ours best will look 10/10 but deliver same 10/10 on taste/smell/High
Where our 7/10 will deliver only 7/10 in taste/smell/High.

And of course ours is not always 10/10 different grades / runs/ strains etc etc but I mean our best pieces I'm talking about the consistency.

This new stuff looks 10/10 but best I had was only 7/10 and mostly 5/10

 

[NotYourSaviour]

Back from Nederland's most famous city.

Detailed report I posted here. For some reasons the ususal picture qualtiy above plus the mandatory picture of the Dam established in previous pandemic; this time with a special reference as in my previous post when taking the photo of hashish I used my sheet of paper from August I strangely still had with me instead of September as I must have been too bollocksed again at this moment from Dutch merchandise on site[or am just generally stupid myself as when uploading for the post being sober as usual I didn't notice this too, lol]so I just have to riddicule myself].

Picture below is one of my 'findings' along this stay but merely overpriced blonde mid-grade Moroccan hashish which was sold for high grade.
Had to use a light this time for the last two pictures to show extra blondness of that piece ; one could think blondes are generally weak in flavour and such but from personal experience I know there are varieties as good in taste and what ever
as darkish ones[let alone many blondes with foreign genetics these days from Morocco prove them wrong too as they as reported if good quality then really provide a strong flavour mostly] but indeed, especially these days, not so much around anymore. Long story short since I really looked for traditional Moroc this time: disappointing and nothing I'd pass on as a recommendation.
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Luckywise I told myself to get me some solace in the form of foreign genetics at one point off my second favourite section so it wasn't such a real let down.

Next important topic where I hope for your input:

As written in the report I picked up some so called 'Mulberry' 90u double filtered hashish with foreign genetics and despite of the same smell it surprisingly carried this well detetable flavour it was named after so as I can't find a Mulberry strain on offer from any seedbank the section which produced it must have chosen this wisely.
Couldn't consume much of it as I didn't make it back but I'm undecided what to think of that as I on one hand hand had other flavours like lemon, berries, lavender, cacao, peaches, oranges and so on in the past in various degrees but on the other not this flavour and on this level.
Let alone concentrates I tried and dabbed. I know in theory many smells and tastes are possible and the smell was ambivalently not over the top but between pungent and subtle.
Smooth smoke also and as strong as many filtered ones from head to toe.

Also it didn't leave some suspicious aftertaste for too long on my palate which I heard of is a sign of added flavour[which was discussed too in this thread some time back when there were warnings about batches of hashish doing their rounds containing synthetic cannabinoids ; too adding flavour isn't a new thing as over 15 years back grass sprayed with Strawberry flavour appeared on menus and stayed until this very day, also apple and blueberry. Again, hope this isn't the case here but wouldn't be surprised as due to this which I discovered but not consumed this first hand back then I always were worried about this could start with hashish, too],
no ,
it felt natural – only thing I noticed was that it was a pretty one dimensional taste but that one could say about many hashes containing kush these days as well. Price was all right too for these days but others ask way more for a similar type of pungency.

Well, since I try to not mention the sections with their pseudo brands producing it if one is following my posts I have to make this exception in case of anyone heard anything about suspicious stuff about that section.
I have them in mind since a good while and only heard good things about them yet, also some knowledgeable Italians I mentioned some time back we met at Family First in 'Dam seemingly knowing their hashish as well as being youngsters mentioned and recommended them too when they gave us a heavy update on what is available on the market ; funnily enough they said they're fellow-countrymen so one could think it was some type of patriotism praising them but other sections operating in the Rif are seemingly from Italy too and I like the ones they mentioned and tried them before.

All right, the name of the section in question is : Drytech.

If you know, please post. Hope it is just good work as I really heard a lot since easily more than a year and budtender selling this also said this is not even their best gear so I hope in the end I can give credit where credit is due as I am, whether bad or good result, impressed but would prefer not to name and shame them though would of course when other trusted people 'also' had suspicious experiencies. Until then: good high grade all in all! Maybe I too was confused as I had to consume too many tasteless commercial Moroccan high grade this trip so I forgot for a moment what good hashish is about, thinking positive again and all that!


@sandsmp81

Thanks again!

Eggs: You said you have seen 1000s of videos but as you know I am an anal wanker so I have to say there is quite a difference in seeing and having them. Bet a good bunch of them have been swallowed but neither you nor me can prove it obviously.

I know this shape is known for quality as it would be not that smart picking up low grade, swallowing it and passing it on at home as there are loads of that crap already about. So it is at least good quality very often.

Except for the fake ones either going to prisons mostly around here or probably to very unaware customers. Others and myself reported about them as I was ripped off some years back too and I can tell that they are wrapped in foil differently which means much less foil so some bastards somewhere just took a low grade quality probably heated it up and formed it into eggs to fake a certain quality and exploit their reputation.

Back to the current one I reported about: I unwrapped it personally and even though the smell was more or less subtle it was detectable.
I remember a mate of mine commenting on lovely quality we smoked together after crumbling up a random piece off a fully unwrapped egg with his own hands if this is hashish from swallowed eggs[as said he only saw a piece not the egg] which means the foil can't fully block contaminants as this shit[no pun intended]is just invasive.
By the way : this very egg is high grade material no low or mids crap.

Only chance to block it more or less are condoms[see other drugs smuggled that way ; while I think mostly because of the risk of a fatal overdose ]respectively that type of material.

I can assure you that I have seen and smelled swallowed eggs of high grade quality everywhere[hint, hint]to this very day.

You mentioned washed ones, too: I heard that from suppliers as well saying after arrival one has to let them soak in alcohol or what ever lotion[ one person who swallowed hisself before really said one has to air them properly when approached on smelly ones ] to get rid of the smell but in my humble opinion this could indeed work on one part of the smell but as said the contaminants are invasive and one might get rid of the smell[+ terpenes and stuff]but the stuff is still contaminated[there is a small chance this won't happen if the eggs don't stay that long inside a human being but I don't know about the timeframe and nonetheless find it highly unlikely when used average foil].

I have seen and smelled high grade eggs as well seemingly not been swallowed as still containing full aroma without any odd smells but this was more rare definitely.

When those producers you mentioned really provide unswallowed eggs why they use this unhandy shape for normal smuggling?

Only because of the reputation?

I mean I know those belts the eggs coming in[as repacked before for passing on] often but they could produce let's say 10g cubes for people like you and me wanting to try different flavours which also would be more handy for smuggling, wouldn't they?
Wait Nepal Temple Balls haven't been swallowed neither, right?
By the way easily more than a decade ago as reported before I bought some still high grade Moroccan hashish with foreign genetics at a coffeeshop which came apple shaped so another creative way for smuggling which as you probably know changes all the time as officials aren't that stupid. Old hat.

So all in all if firstly I personally haven't seen the eggs coming straight off a boat[or wherever from] from Morocco[doubt they do their business during that trip on the boat, lol]or if secondly unwrapping them personally myself I will keep distance.
Usually one pays less for them because they are eggshaped as it is obviuos many of them cost less for a reason – so why bother with a half arsed product[pun intended, sorry] then me thinks now. Just my two cents and everyone is free to do differently that's for certain again.

Though again: as long as one doesn't use it for edibles it is all fine. It is just a personal decission after years of consumption.

Last but not least:

Yes, please post about your findings of recent months. Still in a few months{Crimbo ?] if I remember correctly the first cures you started and mentioned a couple of months back should be ready, shouldn't they? Still eager to read your opinion about the status before and after the cure.

The lab test of this static hashish from Usa[guess I know who you could mean as currently quite hyped I tried on my last trip to Amsterdam and reported here ; silly name of producer consists of three words then, from California/Usa]resulting in a not so high Thc amount one would expect compared to illegal farms in Morocco having a better result.

I agree: probably strain dependent and to some degree some strains may be more suited for Bubble or Drysift as one maybe can overdo stuff[ as e.g. unproven assumption in therory: static sifting[insert any method] the shit out of a harvest may lead to a sterile resin in some cases which gets one very high but pretty much lacks flavour et cetera as terpenes and such got filtered out maybe].

Thc percentages and price: as discussed also multiple times in this thread before I too would expect a high level of Thc in a high priced product but if it really is static technique it is work-intensive which plays a role too no matter what comes up as a product in the end[and is proabably the reason for a certain price in the end as banal as this may sound]
let alone there may be less cannabionids in a prodcut but certain terpenes present preventing a consumer feels less high and vice versa. In the end: not only level of cannabinoids are important but the terpenes, flavonoids et cetera.

By the way since you mentioned you are a mean one not willing to pay such prices I can say I have the same spirit[no one didn't see that coming, huh?]but isn't it funny you now easily pay more[double? tripple?] for hashish compared to what you paid only some months back? I mean since you started ordering 'directly'.
Saying so as I remember mean posts of you stating your philosophy years back and now this.
Times they are indeed changing, don't they?

The same with me as I might always was willing to pay for quality but even my limits have extended as I too read old posts of myself where I stated that this or that price is insane. That's to some degree funny and nonetheless especially retail prices at coffeeshops are like that but world keeps on spinning without any remorse. Again, if legalised one day this is the future most probably but I better stop writting about that as endless discussion.

As said before I can live with that as everything in life due to several economic structures got more expensive on one hand and techniques got better. Said it the other day some people live in their bubble expecting their traditional Moroccan to cost the same 4 quid or preferably less they paid 30 years ago while globalization, trippled demand and other aspects kicked in heavily during this time.
Farmers, middlemen and others have a life too, huh[hard to believe I guess, lol]? I mean these low prices are still realistic – if these guys come up with numbers which they won't most probably, haha.

Long story short: congratulations on extending your limits in the end as it might hurt a bit but the quality is worth it[still it is very essential to be sceptical about everything in life and e.g. having a certain idea(l) about prices, limits and so on. Though there are limits, haha].

By the way: have your direct online contacts offered traditional Moroccan to you? What I was told these farms are way more dedicated to foreign genetics but maybe there are some exceptions.

And while I'm on it: what do you think about tradtional Moroc personally as I remember you sepnd some time in Amsterdam and mentioned the Rifman section[which did some pioneers work more or less ; producing sifts mostly with the foreign genetics of that time e.g. Afghanistan, Pakistan and all that, ; don't quote me on that but I think they had not many traditional lines ]so is there any interest of yours in such stuff?

@bibi40

Thanks for your thoughts in regards to the batch from last and this year of your traditional. I'd take the one from last year then as the new batch sounds like the watered down versions since roughly damn Covid19 in 2020 and the ones I experienced mostly on this trip.
I too prefer 'loud and deep flavour' which is just good high grade to me, the ones as mentioned before coating my mouth for a long time and hopefully coming with a sort of potency for traditionals play in the 'very good' league, just saying.

As reported in my previous post:

private source came up with ususal smell but taste was very weak if at all present. The one above in fact the same dilemma, look different but smell traditional though no taste at all and also a mid-grade product. Others had a different look and same smell but also lacked taste or same smell but different taste as well as intensity.

Bummer you haven't found another one yet apart from that mid-grade you posted recently. Yes, it is indeed all still critical plants outta there, haha[still think it really is to some degree and probably Nicole Kush as well ; harvested with different approaches, Fresh Frozen, Drysift, Static and so on].

Your Amsterdam trip:

Don't know if you have been already or will go but again I have to point out that despite I saw your post before I can't give recommendations as it constantly changes over there, especially if one is interested in new stuff.

That's why I only do reports every now and then about certain coffeeshops but will not give additional recommendations before my usual post frequenzy as I just don't have the time as said before as well as trying to put everything in a post so ideally no pending questions anymore and generally want to spend as less time in front of a screen as possible as my reports speak for themselves[let alone they are after posting already yesterday's chip paper considering so called Social Media is much faster and reccomendations pop up at second intervals ; this digital age is way too fast for me and I don't take this stupid challenge. ].

Side-effect is they are, just like this time, sorta overloaded but it is all I can offer ; merely they are a starting point respectively inpiration. If they are handy for some, cool. If not, also cool. Don't take it personal I am a helpful person I just want to treat everyone the same at best, just saying.

Am not a service person and have no intention to become one as people tend to grow bizarre expectations when doing so. Let alone I depend on mates coming with me or I coming with them, haha, so I can never calculate at all when I'm around and where.

Saying this maybe we have some matches nonetheless if you have gone inbetween. If you still wait in the wings then it could be helpful.
From the experiencies I had traditionalwise I whole heartely can't recommend anything to you. If you want to compare nonetheless then only the Honey Hash would be a reference point as it is a solid piece of high grade bubbling, burning and smelling the way it should while coming up with a classic taste of gherkins, flowers and spice but not that intense to be not a commercial one.

My only advice you probably don't wanna read would be: go to Terps Army or more preferably Reefer and pick up some modern hashish from Morocco.
The latter one's menu was on that occassion roughly divided hashwise into indeed two sections and the Lemon Bean I tried is a good reference point of what is possible with foreign genetics these days assuming you haven't tried respectively reported yet about such gear as far as I can remember[only remember ususal stuff with foeeign genetics you tried]and I think especially you are the right person as you grow yourself and produce your own sift(s) on the regular[well, I can imagine you still don't like the price but the quality is undenieable from my perspective].

The Lemon Bean is produced by my current second favourite section, the one with a good price/performance ratio as crazy as this may sound to you, haha.

Also if you want to go all in they have a relatively big section on their menu usually dedicated to my most favourite section until this very day whom didn't let me down yet with one of their products[though I didn't try them this time as I was on a traditional rampage around town and for some other reasons but looked delicate again].

Terps Army offers a lot of the producer of the Lemon Bean as well, just ask for a heavy flavour but it will most probably cost you the same as the Lemon Bean.

Don't be mean though as you are on holiday so get yourself a treat and just buy one gram of average hashish less, haha.

Also think positive: the price may hurt you and your ideals but if you like it, save the name of the section and order material from them at your source at home for roughly[depending on contact]half the price more or less[pun intended].
In your neck of the woods I hear it is very easy to obtain material from those sections now operating in Morocco ; considering what you posted already it should be no problem.

Please don't come back crying here you haven't found anything to your liking or the foreign genetics I recommended changed your whole perspective so tremendously you can't enjoy the midgrade Morocs you buy every now and then at home anymore! You are responsible for your own actions and have been warned+!

Last but not least, what ever you do: enjoy your trip!

@A lil spanish

Lovely work indeed. As myself living in the back of beyond seeing not much stuff for some reasons I personally prefer my hashish as raw as possible and would cure it myself while I appreciate it if done correctly and delivered on time at let's say a coffeeshop for trying.

Enjoy!

I remember you writting the Moroccan landrace stuff is exclusive to some circles now which I observed as well in recent years but do you enjoy it yourself still every now and then? What types of quality you see? I asked before if you can roughly say how many producers are still existing in let's say percentages of the Rif area producing the landrace?

Ok, I already edited my post of sunday on monday so this is getting really ridiculous now as I mentioined in the introduction that I put a picture[special this time] of Dam up as usual. This I forgot on sunday as well as on monday so since sober both times I would say this was extra stupid and well worth riddiculing myself, highscore indeed! So I just quoted my post and and hand it in here!

In the meantime I see there came a discussion up – unfortunately the old 'traditional Moroc is so much better than modern Moroc with foreign genetics as far as what I have seen' and vice versa.

So while I'm on it I say my personal part as usual as short as possible about this lame topic:

Clarification prior: my approach when it comes to traditional Moroc[but foreign geneitcs I treat not that different] is 'good' means it burns the way it should, it smells the way it should, bubbles the way it should and tastes the way it should which means distinctive , no light notes allowed!

If I rate a high grade 'very good' the taste is extraordinary heavy, long after taste coating one's mouth strongly and the effect is a bit yet remarkably stronger than with 'good' high grade.

If I say 'commercial' I mean it has all characteristics but lacks or has pretty muted taste.​

1. I just now for this topic write of a timeframe of ten years to not make it too complicated. Since this time interval to this very midyear of 2023 I had good to very good Moroccan hashish from one of my favourite private sources in the Netherlands operating since decades and good connected. These Amazighs never let me down ranging from good to very good until midyear of 2023 as reported.​
2. In this time period I still had good, rarely very good, traditional Moroc at coffeeshops on the regular which changed around the begin of damn Covid19 and only this private connection had the real deal, at least what my connections concern.​
3. Inbetween the pandemic until this mideyear of 2023 I rarely had good Moroccan high grade at coffeeshops but mostly watered down versions, 'very good' I didn't have during this time.​
4. I personally like the oldschool Moroc as well as the new ones. I am aware that at one point it commercialisation goes on and on the landrace would be extincted which would be a bummer as some sort ofcultural heritage so to speak, see wine and so on. Though I like the new foreign genetic ones as well as beside taste they are particularly more potent than the landrace in my experience. Needless to say these days I want the full package of potency, taste and smell and these type of foreign genetics are more easy to finde since about three years than tradtitional Moroc, just see my last report. So again I am gladful I could experience it but can't do anything and will focus on what high grade is available ; in the end this is just an interlude until more of my circle can grow again and we get fully independent from this unregulated market with so many crooks.​

@Bibi40

Bummer about your car, hope it gets fixed. Enjoy your trip and of course, I say this on the average, homemade gear coming with dedication is most often best!

@A lil spanish

Thanks you, too! I respect of course you don't consume the landrace so eagerly. Cheers for mentioning the prices. Yes, would be lovely if you could ask your mate if you can take a picture of his landrace gear. Hopefully it is one of the best specimen available.

Enjoy your harvest otherwise!

@sandsmp81

I'm with you mostly – curing since ages and all that. The new foreign genetics coming from Morocco are easily on average more tasty and more strong than the averageness of Moroccan mid grade gear available mostly at the minute. If I compare best examples of both worlds in the past and present I say it is both good stuff and more a matter of taste really. In my book comparing high grades one can't really say this or that is better. Though at this quality level the foreign genetics are stronger effectwise, hands down.

You mentioned 5% terpenes? I have seen some test results at cofffeeshops from the ususal suspects but never seen this high percentage, merely about 2,5% max.
Just a sidenote respectively just saying by the way: I read a good while back that this topic will be up in the future as a certain content of terpenes is already getting toxic. If I remember correctly they work on settling down this to about 2% as everything else is too heavy for lungs or what ever ; very interesting and this article was about concentrates and dabbing[I know concentrates are not the same as grass so percentages probably are different]​

You mentioned that 'mocro' term and while I am light years away of being into consiracy bullshit but have a semi-scientific approach I as said before would never use such a term as quite racist to profile a certain group of people while nationality has nothing to do with crime but with racist goverments and their racist followers[heavy pressure all around the world since some years]. They're just criminal gangs coming from this or that country but has nothing to do with the country itsself but crime indeed. My said private connection I say would most probably labelled as 'mocros', too - disgusting! Don't get me wrong of course there is organised crime and all that but not as simple as these terms put it. Complicated topic, nothing personal!

By the way temperatures: when I've been to the private contact as reported they mentioned that Morocco had about 45-50 degree this summer during growing and all that.

@ojd

I respect your search and love for the oldschool Moroc. Here you wrote that nobody can get the traditional Moroc anymore.

Well, there you go out on a limb as I could get it all the time and especially during pandemic in the last 3 years until midyear of 2023[and this was the first time so maybe just a fail and story will have an happy end?], what now? See, if you and your contacts can't get any, bummer.

You mentioned a lot in this thread already that it is not existing anymore but that makes it not a reality as it is existing and others myself included had it. If you and your contacts can't get it just means you and your contacts can't get it.

You didn't say that but if you would be very deep in this hashish game than you would have it I reckon. Do I say I am? Never as I just have been randomly at the right spot at the right time. I was just lucky to have this contact. I'd wish every admirer of Moroccan landrace could get some but this is not up to me.

Here you write you tested 5 batches of foreign genetics at home and five in Amsterdam. Makes ten, right?
Is this representative of a market situation you reckon? It is very subjective I would say. I had about 100 samples at mostly good coffeeshops and privately since I always look for variation in the last four years when this gear came up massively.
Do I say this is representative? No, quite subjective again but more variety and the majority of them were at least good high grade and some were even 'very good'[even a few bordering on 'top grade' which is more of an ideal for me never to be experiencied if you get me]. Maybe I'm totally wrong, maybe you are – in the end this is just the internet but I try my best not to be too subjective. Is it about heirachy who's tested more or who's got the best?

Maybe you have been really unlucky with your batches[I hope you were not refering to this batch as that would be riddiculous. ] as there is so much good stuff out there with foreign genetics, really.

I agree about the thing that the new foreign genetics seemingly get harvested earlier compared to the one year storage of landrace plants respectively collected resin. As Sandsmp81 pointed out some time back when talking about curing if you let these new hashes sit vacuum sealed from 6 up to 12 months but even without these cures it is a remarkably better product if high grade than the lows and mids before. Though this 'after cure' would make sense and after all approaches change for the better too as well as harvest techniques.

I can assure you that I get your point about ugly landrace plants turnt into good hashish compared to resin dipped buds turnt into average hashish you experiencied but others and me made other experiencies.

Much more to say about that topic as ususal but I'm bored so just my two cents, no disrespect. I hope at one point everyone of you get what he desires hashwise[lame I know but I don't know what to say else this is exhausting to some degree].​

@Piff Rhys Jones

Probably very true too! Cheers!

 

[sandsmp81]

Cured by body temps , what it's been down your pants all day.


huge buds grown with boosters for yield etc etc , 1000 x better looking flowers than what they used to use and the best bits I seen ( UK and Amsterdam) don't come anywhere near the top quality Drysift or Water Hash , knowhere near , miles away .
So this new stuff you show, Rosin look everytime I had it never gave the smoke/taste of how a Drysift or water Hash would look if you made it yourself and your Drysift or Water Hash looked like Rosin ? , if your home made Hash looked like that then would be best Hash you ever made ? , this smokes nothing at all that good , not even close , not garbage but not even close to the quality it looks.

Looks 10 stars , smokes a 6-7

Maybe every batch I've tried is spoiled as you call it ? , but I tried around 5 batches in UK and around 5 in Amsterdam, none was anywhere near the quality of my best Drysift or Water Hash I've made and I'm using either sugar leaf or fully seeded flowers and these guys are using whole buds

Boosters? That's false, PGR isn't even in Morocco and yet again I've seen the lab tests of every batch, everything organic.

I've yet to see you post anything from top farms like hashcienda farm, hashwarrior, BMP, hash valley, hidden farm etc etc, maybe try some of those before you claim water hash (terps are water soluble I'd rather have them in the hash) and home made is better.

Maybe that's why your 10 out 10 looking smokes like a 6, while mine is smoking like an 11.

No offense but I cannot agree with any of that, it's simply not true in my experience.

Nobody can get Beldia it that's why nobody smokes it N surely you should know that.

I know many Hash connects and nobody can get the old Caramelo, nobody .

The farmers in Morooco have retired and sons run the shows these days and all grow new hybrids so I'm told by people the locals keep of the beldia nowadays as only a tiny patch left that they produce it (grown by the olive trees in Morroco)

These new Hash look 10 star , but do they smoke 10 star ? , not in my sampling , they smoke good and off course 10 x better than 99% of the inferior Moroccan that is about but my Beldia from years back smashed most of these new special 1's in exotic taste and even High

I can get kilos of beldia, there's caramello and briefcase hash etc etc, it still exists maybe not so much because it makes no sense to produce it, but it's not good enough compared to what I get now anyway.

 

[goingrey]

Also the reason 99% of Morrocan is far inferior these days is beldia was a landrace inbred throwing out same pheno , new hybrids have 3 different phenos plus they definitely don't get all the same strains so we smoking 10 phenos and anyone who makes Hash knows even top material that makes 10 star Hash if you mix 10 different strains of top grade material will never be as good as either 10 run on it's own , makes a hybrid taste far inferior

I actually believe the exact opposite. That the traditional landrace was better raw material because there was a lot of phenotypic variation. Landraces need this variation to deal with fluctuations in weather over the years and so on. And hash landrace cultivars have been bred not for a single chemotype but instead for literally fields of plants of varied chemotypes that mix well together for that perfect blend, it's something a single plant just can't do.

 

[ojd]

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Ok, I already edited my post of sunday on monday so this is getting really ridiculous now as I mentioined in the introduction that I put a picture[special this time] of Dam up as usual. This I forgot on sunday as well as on monday so since sober both times I would say this was extra stupid and well worth riddiculing myself, highscore indeed! So I just quoted my post and and hand it in here!

In the meantime I see there came a discussion up – unfortunately the old 'traditional Moroc is so much better than modern Moroc with foreign genetics as far as what I have seen' and vice versa.

So while I'm on it I say my personal part as usual as short as possible about this lame topic:

Clarification prior: my approach when it comes to traditional Moroc[but foreign geneitcs I treat not that different] is 'good' means it burns the way it should, it smells the way it should, bubbles the way it should and tastes the way it should which means distinctive , no light notes allowed!

If I rate a high grade 'very good' the taste is extraordinary heavy, long after taste coating one's mouth strongly and the effect is a bit yet remarkably stronger than with 'good' high grade.

If I say 'commercial' I mean it has all characteristics but lacks or has pretty muted taste.​

1. I just now for this topic write of a timeframe of ten years to not make it too complicated. Since this time interval to this very midyear of 2023 I had good to very good Moroccan hashish from one of my favourite private sources in the Netherlands operating since decades and good connected. These Amazighs never let me down ranging from good to very good until midyear of 2023 as reported.​
2. In this time period I still had good, rarely very good, traditional Moroc at coffeeshops on the regular which changed around the begin of damn Covid19 and only this private connection had the real deal, at least what my connections concern.​
3. Inbetween the pandemic until this mideyear of 2023 I rarely had good Moroccan high grade at coffeeshops but mostly watered down versions, 'very good' I didn't have during this time.​
4. I personally like the oldschool Moroc as well as the new ones. I am aware that at one point it commercialisation goes on and on the landrace would be extincted which would be a bummer as some sort ofcultural heritage so to speak, see wine and so on. Though I like the new foreign genetic ones as well as beside taste they are particularly more potent than the landrace in my experience. Needless to say these days I want the full package of potency, taste and smell and these type of foreign genetics are more easy to finde since about three years than tradtitional Moroc, just see my last report. So again I am gladful I could experience it but can't do anything and will focus on what high grade is available ; in the end this is just an interlude until more of my circle can grow again and we get fully independent from this unregulated market with so many crooks.​

@Bibi40

Bummer about your car, hope it gets fixed. Enjoy your trip and of course, I say this on the average, homemade gear coming with dedication is most often best!

@A lil spanish

Thanks you, too! I respect of course you don't consume the landrace so eagerly. Cheers for mentioning the prices. Yes, would be lovely if you could ask your mate if you can take a picture of his landrace gear. Hopefully it is one of the best specimen available.

Enjoy your harvest otherwise!

@sandsmp81

I'm with you mostly – curing since ages and all that. The new foreign genetics coming from Morocco are easily on average more tasty and more strong than the averageness of Moroccan mid grade gear available mostly at the minute. If I compare best examples of both worlds in the past and present I say it is both good stuff and more a matter of taste really. In my book comparing high grades one can't really say this or that is better. Though at this quality level the foreign genetics are stronger effectwise, hands down.

You mentioned 5% terpenes? I have seen some test results at cofffeeshops from the ususal suspects but never seen this high percentage, merely about 2,5% max.
Just a sidenote respectively just saying by the way: I read a good while back that this topic will be up in the future as a certain content of terpenes is already getting toxic. If I remember correctly they work on settling down this to about 2% as everything else is too heavy for lungs or what ever ; very interesting and this article was about concentrates and dabbing[I know concentrates are not the same as grass so percentages probably are different]​

You mentioned that 'mocro' term and while I am light years away of being into consiracy bullshit but have a semi-scientific approach I as said before would never use such a term as quite racist to profile a certain group of people while nationality has nothing to do with crime but with racist goverments and their racist followers[heavy pressure all around the world since some years]. They're just criminal gangs coming from this or that country but has nothing to do with the country itsself but crime indeed. My said private connection I say would most probably labelled as 'mocros', too - disgusting! Don't get me wrong of course there is organised crime and all that but not as simple as these terms put it. Complicated topic, nothing personal!

By the way temperatures: when I've been to the private contact as reported they mentioned that Morocco had about 45-50 degree this summer during growing and all that.

@ojd

I respect your search and love for the oldschool Moroc. Here you wrote that nobody can get the traditional Moroc anymore.

Well, there you go out on a limb as I could get it all the time and especially during pandemic in the last 3 years until midyear of 2023[and this was the first time so maybe just a fail and story will have an happy end?], what now? See, if you and your contacts can't get any, bummer.

You mentioned a lot in this thread already that it is not existing anymore but that makes it not a reality as it is existing and others myself included had it. If you and your contacts can't get it just means you and your contacts can't get it.

You didn't say that but if you would be very deep in this hashish game than you would have it I reckon. Do I say I am? Never as I just have been randomly at the right spot at the right time. I was just lucky to have this contact. I'd wish every admirer of Moroccan landrace could get some but this is not up to me.

Here you write you tested 5 batches of foreign genetics at home and five in Amsterdam. Makes ten, right?
Is this representative of a market situation you reckon? It is very subjective I would say. I had about 100 samples at mostly good coffeeshops and privately since I always look for variation in the last four years when this gear came up massively.
Do I say this is representative? No, quite subjective again but more variety and the majority of them were at least good high grade and some were even 'very good'[even a few bordering on 'top grade' which is more of an ideal for me never to be experiencied if you get me]. Maybe I'm totally wrong, maybe you are – in the end this is just the internet but I try my best not to be too subjective. Is it about heirachy who's tested more or who's got the best?

Maybe you have been really unlucky with your batches[I hope you were not refering to this batch as that would be riddiculous. ] as there is so much good stuff out there with foreign genetics, really.

I agree about the thing that the new foreign genetics seemingly get harvested earlier compared to the one year storage of landrace plants respectively collected resin. As Sandsmp81 pointed out some time back when talking about curing if you let these new hashes sit vacuum sealed from 6 up to 12 months but even without these cures it is a remarkably better product if high grade than the lows and mids before. Though this 'after cure' would make sense and after all approaches change for the better too as well as harvest techniques.

I can assure you that I get your point about ugly landrace plants turnt into good hashish compared to resin dipped buds turnt into average hashish you experiencied but others and me made other experiencies.

Much more to say about that topic as ususal but I'm bored so just my two cents, no disrespect. I hope at one point everyone of you get what he desires hashwise[lame I know but I don't know what to say else this is exhausting to some degree].​

@Piff Rhys Jones

Probably very true too! Cheers!

I enjoy your post about coffeshop visits bit I not seen you post 1 pic of any Hash as good as the Caramelo I have here from years back , not 1.

I go Amsterdam twice a year and go to all the well known coffeshops looking for the old traditional Hash especially the Caramelo ( 1 of the best well known traditional famous Morrocan Hash) and its very rare to find now and I only find a few decent samples but far inferior to the old Caramelo.
What you post is 99.9 new school or the lower grades of traditional Morrocan that has been around forever and not really disappeared as much as the special pieces.

Beldia
This word get thrown around like a baseball these days , everyone says they can get Beldia and never produces it
You
The other posters
The guys I know who bring the product directly from the mountains everyone , but none of you can deliver

What many people call Belida is not the famous Caramelo we been smoking since a kid at 15 ( I'm 40 plus now)
The red Caramelo, melty and taste like your eating dinner with the farmers on the mountain , incredible Terps.

 

[ojd]

I actually believe the exact opposite. That the traditional landrace was better raw material because there was a lot of phenotypic variation. Landraces need this variation to deal with fluctuations in weather over the years and so on. And hash landrace cultivars have been bred not for a single chemotype but instead for literally fields of plants of varied chemotypes that mix well together for that perfect blend, it's something a single plant just can't do.

Landrace adapts to its region and only the strong survive hence landrace , and repeatedly breeding towards that makes it ibl , yes it is very special the old traditional Morrocan strains that needed very little and produced itself with nature but produced 99% less Resin on flowers compared to New hybrids , but the old traditional Caramelo is 100 x better than 99.9% of Morrocan Resin these days.

Modern hybrids can't survive like that and need to be watered and forced to produce , you water modern hybrids like beldia and it won't survive.

Bless those farmers and his family from the 90's , they were way ahead of their time producing gold from wild low thc varieties.

New Age Morrocan farmers produce copper from Gold these days , very sad

 

[kro-magnon]

Those days I rarely buy any haschich so I don't have very good connection to get some and when I see what is sold as high grade for 10€/G, the x filtered I'm not really enthusiast. It is strong no doubt but I find the taste is lacking for the quality it is supposed to be. If it's made with the ic-o-lator method I understand why it's lacking taste as the terps are dissolving in water. That's why I'd like to know how the different grades are done today because it can't be the same method I've witnessed.
I also believe that you need specific type of resin glands to make some good haschich, all strains won't produce quality. I've made some ice-o and dry sift with my own grows and the results can be very different depending on the genetics. I don't know what they use now in Morocco but it's possible some of the the strains they use don't have the resin type needed to make great haschich.