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WHAT!?!?! WHO ?!?!? WHERE ARE THEY ?!?!?! SHIT THEY TOOK MY UNDERPANTS
BigBudBill
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Mr. Wags,
Beautifully said!
As a patient in California for over 11 years, I still battle daily the stigma of being a cannabis user. It has gotten to the point that I find myself being aggressively defensive of my right to legally use cannabis. A posting in this thread spurred me to post regarding legality and the state vs. fed argument.
Let us remember there still is a war(DRUG) going on and not be complacent in giving in to the "man". FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!!!!
Beautifully said!
As a patient in California for over 11 years, I still battle daily the stigma of being a cannabis user. It has gotten to the point that I find myself being aggressively defensive of my right to legally use cannabis. A posting in this thread spurred me to post regarding legality and the state vs. fed argument.
Let us remember there still is a war(DRUG) going on and not be complacent in giving in to the "man". FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT!!!!
Actually that's not true, Gypsy. There is absolutely no way a superadmin can see PMs either. It's not a vbulletin function on this site.
There is only ONE person capable of accessing the PMs besides our hosting company (who have access to our servers of course, but no reason to look short of a court order), and that is me.
So even Gypsy cannot know what is in a PM without asking me.
And furthermore there is no way thru vBulletin to access personal PMs, as we have no mod installed for that.
So it's a big hassle to have to locate PMs by going thru the database. It's very rarely done, usually after we get a report for say PM spam and I need to go and see how much spam got out and to delete it.
So you now know that unlike other websites, we have limited access to personal communications to just one person, not the entire staff. And of course every website must have at least one person who can access the database, so that person can always see EVERYTHING that goes on, should there be a need. And that person is usually the webmaster, who has far more things to worry about than individual PMs...
I hope that puts to rest the misinformation going round.
And remember if you see violations of our forum guidelines in a PM, please report it, or we won't know about it!
If nothing else at least let the sender know they are violating the forum guidelines.
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I do believe that people in California have more freedom to meetup and exchange cannabis (in whatever form). This is because the law does allow for informal collectives, which are not legal entities, but conform to prop 215.
However I was told that under SB420 it is illegal for collectives/cooperatives whatever, to trade/buy/sell among themselves. The limitation means that only members of a collective can trade among themselves, but not with members of different collectives.
If anyone has another reading of this, please let us know.
In theory though, ad hoc collectives should be able to be formed, if even for a day. After all the idea is that collectives share their resources, so if a group meets up for a day to share their cuts or whatever, then in theory they formed a collective that day with whomever showed up.
I wouldn't want to be the one to test that theory in court however...
So California can be seen as a special case, however the laws on the local level are changing daily, so it's far better to be safe than sorry.
Thank You..
BigBudBill
Member
From Wikipedia(so NOT a legal definition BUT a commonly accepted definition):
A collective is a group of entities that share or are motivated by at least one common issue or interest, or work together on a specific project(s) to achieve a common objective. Collectives are also characterised by attempts to share and exercise political and social power and to make decisions on a consensus-driven and egalitarian basis. Collectives differ from cooperatives in that they are not necessarily focused upon an economic benefit or saving (but can be that as well).
A "work collective" is a type of horizontal collectivism wherein a business functions as a partnership of individual professionals, recognizing them as equals and rewarding them for their expertise. The working collective aims to reduce costs to clients while maintaining healthy rewards for participating partners. This is accomplished by eliminating the operating costs that are needed to support levels of management. [1]
The first paragraph states:
"A collective is a group of entities that share or are motivated by at least one common issue or interest, or work together on a specific project(s) to achieve a common objective."
Q:Would a dispensary and/or private collective be considered an entity? If so that would lead me to believe that a group of collectives could in fact organize as a collective(i.e San Jose's dispensaries have organized as a group to defend against zoning regs).
A: An entity does not have to be limited to a single individual. Therefore dispensaries and private collectives can "work together on a specific project(s) to achieve a common objective." Such as procuring medicine, clones, grow help, etc...)
Any thought or comments? I hope this isn't considered "derailing" the thread as it does concern California patients meeting and being able to use this website to facilitate collective activities. As it is, I would like to make sure I don't jeopardize anyone else because of my belief system, but I would like to utilize all available resources available to me and the other patients in our collective without interfering with icmag policy. As it is our collective does not have all the resources we need to be able to provide for all patients yet. Meeting with others who share our goals on this website would help facilitate this.
BBB
A collective is a group of entities that share or are motivated by at least one common issue or interest, or work together on a specific project(s) to achieve a common objective. Collectives are also characterised by attempts to share and exercise political and social power and to make decisions on a consensus-driven and egalitarian basis. Collectives differ from cooperatives in that they are not necessarily focused upon an economic benefit or saving (but can be that as well).
A "work collective" is a type of horizontal collectivism wherein a business functions as a partnership of individual professionals, recognizing them as equals and rewarding them for their expertise. The working collective aims to reduce costs to clients while maintaining healthy rewards for participating partners. This is accomplished by eliminating the operating costs that are needed to support levels of management. [1]
The first paragraph states:
"A collective is a group of entities that share or are motivated by at least one common issue or interest, or work together on a specific project(s) to achieve a common objective."
Q:Would a dispensary and/or private collective be considered an entity? If so that would lead me to believe that a group of collectives could in fact organize as a collective(i.e San Jose's dispensaries have organized as a group to defend against zoning regs).
A: An entity does not have to be limited to a single individual. Therefore dispensaries and private collectives can "work together on a specific project(s) to achieve a common objective." Such as procuring medicine, clones, grow help, etc...)
Any thought or comments? I hope this isn't considered "derailing" the thread as it does concern California patients meeting and being able to use this website to facilitate collective activities. As it is, I would like to make sure I don't jeopardize anyone else because of my belief system, but I would like to utilize all available resources available to me and the other patients in our collective without interfering with icmag policy. As it is our collective does not have all the resources we need to be able to provide for all patients yet. Meeting with others who share our goals on this website would help facilitate this.
BBB
I was told by someone who should know that in fact a collective of collectives is illegal in California when it comes to cannabis. I wanted to start one, but apparently it's not allowed.
Obviously there is nothing to keep collectives from political organizing. But that has nothing to do with sharing cannabis.
If you have a legally recognized collective, there is no problem soliciting new members here. That is not what this thread is about.
Someone earlier mentioned Federal law saying any kind of meetup to exchange cannabis is illegal. Well the feds are only going to be interested if it involves Interstate commerce or large amounts. They could hardly care about a few ppl meeting up for a BBQ or to exchange cuts. Remember, the Feds are laying off medical users, so if you are prop 215 compliant, you have little to worry from the Feds unless you've got more than 99 plants going or ship stuff Interstate.
Any thought or comments? I hope this isn't considered "derailing" the thread as it does concern California patients meeting and being able to use this website to facilitate collective activities. As it is, I would like to make sure I don't jeopardize anyone else because of my belief system, but I would like to utilize all available resources available to me and the other patients in our collective without interfering with icmag policy. As it is our collective does not have all the resources we need to be able to provide for all patients yet. Meeting with others who share our goals on this website would help facilitate this.
This to is a valid point but we have had members here for years that have lived where our hobby is legal and they have not been allowed to openly post up meet spots. To me we are back to when alcohol first started to become legal. One day it's legal and then the next day it's not. You even had places where it was legal but Barney and his boy's went in and shut it down all for the supposed better good of the community.
ICM will as our world does evolve to be what your asking. BUT currently in the USA school is getting out and we are about to be 24/7 flooded with Billy Big Baller's who without our help WILL GET THEMSELVES busted by the end of the summer.
Now the new section Skip has added for state listings to me if there ever was a place it would have to be there to discuss dispensaries. But even then I assure you someone will cross the line and ruin it for everybody SO WHAT DO YOU DO?
Common sense tells you for the better good and the ability to save those who need saving you simply discourage any and all talk of hook ups and trading.
To me (and I feel it needs to happen) in the state to state section we are going to need MODS that are at the heart of those respected states to mod these forums diligently. California might need more than one but someone who can say no that's wrong here is what the FACTS are and so on.
For those of you here from the beginning look at our homepage and marvel at that work my friends. We have damn near everything involved in cannabis right here at our finger tips legal and not so legal. Of the billions of websites in cyberspace we are in the TOP 20,000 OF MOST VISITED SITE IN THE WORLD.
With that you all comes a price. We are the biggest and the best and by some the MOST HATED and in return MOST WATCHED plain and simple.
Now take a moment to read again those last 2 paragraphs and understand this. There are strength in numbers and our's grows everyday but as it grows so does the possibility of someone joining up that doesn't have your best interest at heart like we have PROVED we do all these years.
Think About It and Have A Nice Day
Mr.Wags
This to is a valid point but we have had members here for years that have lived where our hobby is legal and they have not been allowed to openly post up meet spots. To me we are back to when alcohol first started to become legal. One day it's legal and then the next day it's not. You even had places where it was legal but Barney and his boy's went in and shut it down all for the supposed better good of the community.
ICM will as our world does evolve to be what your asking. BUT currently in the USA school is getting out and we are about to be 24/7 flooded with Billy Big Baller's who without our help WILL GET THEMSELVES busted by the end of the summer.
Now the new section Skip has added for state listings to me if there ever was a place it would have to be there to discuss dispensaries. But even then I assure you someone will cross the line and ruin it for everybody SO WHAT DO YOU DO?
Common sense tells you for the better good and the ability to save those who need saving you simply discourage any and all talk of hook ups and trading.
To me (and I feel it needs to happen) in the state to state section we are going to need MODS that are at the heart of those respected states to mod these forums diligently. California might need more than one but someone who can say no that's wrong here is what the FACTS are and so on.
For those of you here from the beginning look at our homepage and marvel at that work my friends. We have damn near everything involved in cannabis right here at our finger tips legal and not so legal. Of the billions of websites in cyberspace we are in the TOP 20,000 OF MOST VISITED SITE IN THE WORLD.
With that you all comes a price. We are the biggest and the best and by some the MOST HATED and in return MOST WATCHED plain and simple.
Now take a moment to read again those last 2 paragraphs and understand this. There are strength in numbers and our's grows everyday but as it grows so does the possibility of someone joining up that doesn't have your best interest at heart like we have PROVED we do all these years.
Think About It and Have A Nice Day
Mr.Wags
BigBudBill
Member
Skip
>If you have a legally recognized collective, there is no problem soliciting new members here.
Thanks! That is exactly what I was looking for.
MrWags
I feel what you're saying. Sucks that Billy Big Baller (no relation to BigBudBill) has to abuse a resource that should be used properly.
Do you concur with Skip on legally recognized collectives in California soliciting new members? In the spirit of Ca law, it would be nice if private collectives had a nice sanctioned place to organize.
BBB
>If you have a legally recognized collective, there is no problem soliciting new members here.
Thanks! That is exactly what I was looking for.
MrWags
I feel what you're saying. Sucks that Billy Big Baller (no relation to BigBudBill) has to abuse a resource that should be used properly.
Do you concur with Skip on legally recognized collectives in California soliciting new members? In the spirit of Ca law, it would be nice if private collectives had a nice sanctioned place to organize.
BBB
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REDEYE_420
Grab my coat........
Grab my coat........
So to clarify, only if a member reports misuse of the PM system, can you and only you (SKIP) view said PM, and then take action on that PM?
Also can you recall deleted messages if someone has reported you, or if you have reported someone but they have deleted the offending PM, SKIP?
I'm a noob when it comes to computers, hence the questions....
So are you the webmaster SKIP? Or is the webmaster the person one peg above you that monitors the site and whether it has problems, so that you can rectify the problem?
So all emails are kept by the ISP's for an amount of time
, is the data from ICMag stored in a similar fashion with your ISP's? And this information can only be reached if the interested party has a warrant to do so?
And if a party did have a warrant to search the ICMag database, what powers do you have that could stop them from doing so?
Where are ICMags ISP's, what country?
Sorry peeps, there are more questions there than there was in LOST lol. Just one more.....
What proxy servers come recommended guys and gals?
And yes I am paranoid lol.....
EDIT: I was just looking at some of the other announcements, and I noticed this in a thread Gypsy posted about "Security before charity" ~
Grab my coat........
So to clarify, only if a member reports misuse of the PM system, can you and only you (SKIP) view said PM, and then take action on that PM?
Also can you recall deleted messages if someone has reported you, or if you have reported someone but they have deleted the offending PM, SKIP?
I'm a noob when it comes to computers, hence the questions....
So are you the webmaster SKIP? Or is the webmaster the person one peg above you that monitors the site and whether it has problems, so that you can rectify the problem?
So all emails are kept by the ISP's for an amount of time
, is the data from ICMag stored in a similar fashion with your ISP's? And this information can only be reached if the interested party has a warrant to do so?And if a party did have a warrant to search the ICMag database, what powers do you have that could stop them from doing so?
Where are ICMags ISP's, what country?
Sorry peeps, there are more questions there than there was in LOST lol. Just one more.....
What proxy servers come recommended guys and gals?
And yes I am paranoid lol.....
EDIT: I was just looking at some of the other announcements, and I noticed this in a thread Gypsy posted about "Security before charity" ~
So the guy who received the PM forwarded the guys location to admin, but how did admin know that the location matched up with the location that the guy was trying to swindle from? Do you keep information on ex-members too? Even if they delete their accounts?
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I assure you my friend you have nothing to worry about and this can of worms has been opened and closed b4. The mods have not been installed for any views of pm's. He stated this in the above post and I'm sure he will direct this but wanted to close it as quickly as possible.
Only you can get yourself in trouble here that is the ENTIRE purpose of this thread.
Mr.Wags
Only you can get yourself in trouble here that is the ENTIRE purpose of this thread.
Mr.Wags
I love meeting new people and it's not about getting high for me. Meeting new folks is part of my cannabis culture. I learn new things I see new things. My main resone to meet new folks is not because I want to get them high or show them my grow room or sale them some bud. I just want to meet new people and talk to them. Having hundreds of friend is ok by me. It seems people have gotten very paranoid about meeting anyone they don't know. You don't have to talk about cannabis when you meet up. I will have no more then a 1/8 on me when I meet new people and I don't discuse anything about my grows. Cannabis culture has always been about meeting people new and old. I guess im just old and the new generation's culture is not the same as it use to be.
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LolaGal
That would be none of your business.
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Marywanna
I'm old enough to still be paranoid...................
the_red_bull
Member
Um... I haven't been on much lately but so far as I can remember I haven't been organizing anything of anything.
Thats My Friend. He sure isnt meeting You. Im really disappointed in You Lola.how old are you?
Me and Barb are down, where you at Rojo?
El Diablo
Member
I am gonna have to agree with you Hammerhead. i enjoy speaking to others about cannabis. just like i like fishing. i like to talk to other people who like to fish.
It is hard to come outright and talk to someone about cannabis because everyone’s perspective on it is different. So, I don’t advertise it. The only way I seem to find others is on forums. (haven’t met anyone in person) but, i do enjoying making friends on here and wouldn’t mind meeting some people here. I would still be very cautious and not just met random people. Only people that I have talked to for a while and trust.
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