If I were a seed company

[Blakendn]

Lets say that I was a new seed company. And my company model would be no seed over $30 no matter what it is. What would be the F2's that you would like to see most in this company?

do it big big bro kush dont let the haters stop u man. they'll always b a market for cheap seeds. i frankly would buy anything f2's or crosses of dna, dj short, bog, and soma. maybe u should focus on s1's of any elite cut u can get your hands on. me for one i dont care about stable or uniform plants. i enjoy getting diff phenos and diff taste within the same strain.

oh yeah u should f2 all of rez stuff i think he's gotten rich enough off of our sweat and blood. i love rez's work i'm not a rez hater, but greedy is greedy i call it how i c it. plus its too many clowns selling seeds for $150 plus anyway, anybody selling seeds for $15 bucks a piece needs there work bootlegged.

sad to hear about moonshine man going away. i would love to get my hands on some of that gear as well.

 

[theoldinout]

$30 a seed sounds gawd awful expensive. I can't imagine paying that for any hybrid. If you want me to cough up $450 for a pack of seeds I want to see 100% pure Acapulco Gold or similar.

LOL! I'm pretty sure he meant 'pack', or barring that 'seed pack'. Yes, he did state no more then $30 a seed, but from the tone of the whole thread, his later argument over $200 brand name meds in comparison to $30 meds, and than add to that the current price of seeds (rarely do you find $30/seed) it seems more logical it was just a vocabulary slip.

Of course, I still chuckled to myself reading your post.

 

[jawnroot]

You have to keep in mind that what you're planning is A LOT of work, and will require much space, plus thousands of dollars in equipment (if not tens of thousands of dollars). You'll need to be super clean regarding the pollen.

I'll venture to guess that all the guys that got into breeding wished, ten years later, that they went to college or something else. Not true across the board, but the fact remains. Growing a little herb for one's self is one thing, but making a living out of it requires a true devotion, which many think they have, but few actually do.

 

[Tomacco]

i would go with the idea of breeders who can guarantee seeds that are:

1. stabilised to the breed description,
2. predictable (minimal phenotypical variation) and
3. feminised, free of hermie tendencies.

i think this would first and foremost appeal to personal growers that do not have the space for experimentation, and thus being able to plan for reasonable expectations.

based on these requirements, IMHO a lot of commercialised strains out there are a bit overvalued.

however, i would pay a premium for seeds that can offer all three requirements, with price contingent on the individual characteristics of strains that are on offer.

anyone know of any breeder that does so?

 

[jawnroot]

i would go with the idea of breeders who can guarantee seeds that are:

1. stabilised to the breed description,
2. predictable (minimal phenotypical variation) and
3. feminised, free of hermie tendencies.

i think this would first and foremost appeal to personal growers that do not have the space for experimentation, and thus being able to plan for reasonable expectations.

based on these requirements, IMHO a lot of commercialised strains out there are a bit overvalued.

however, i would pay a premium for seeds that can offer all three requirements, with price contingent on the individual characteristics of strains that are on offer.

anyone know of any breeder that does so?

1 and 2 are almost the same thing. Look for an IBL. I know from experience THSeeds Bubblegum is very stable. There are two phenotypes that vary slightly in height (within a few inches) but the yield and smoke are identical, and it fits rather closely with the description. It was my go-to strain for a quite a while.

Regarding 3, feminized seeds, by their very nature, have hermie genes lurking right under the surface.

I'll agree with the fact that a lot of commercialized seeds are grossly over-valued. Tomato breeders put in just as much work, and get a dollar or two a pack. Granted, some breeders are doing their thing in places where such activities are illegal, which introduces the whole risk/reward factor, but the majority of seeds come from Holland, where such concerns are negligible. (And hell, for what the breeders are charging, they can buy a pad in Holland and relocate if they're serious about what they're doing).

I'd venture to guess that a lot of cannabis breeders and seedbanks wouldn't mind the stuff staying illegal. Guess what the most valuable part of the plant is, by weight? I'll give you a hint, it's not the buds.

 

[grapepunched]

To the above poster Tomacco~
points 1 and 2 are essentially the same (stabilized and predictable / minimal phenotypical variation), and 3 is impossible to achieve with points 1 and 2 as S1ing or fem'd seeds are not predictable or stabilized.....

And those nug / plant shots are of my own special bubblegum from BOGs genetic gene pool, aka OGbubblegum... It's an S1 of BOGs personal bubblegum mother / keeper...

-gp

 

[Tomacco]

thanks for replying, jawnroot.

1 and 2 are almost the same thing. Look for an IBL. I know from experience THSeeds Bubblegum is very stable.

BG comes to mind, but THS do not feminise their seeds

Regarding 3, feminized seeds, by their very nature, have hermie genes lurking right under the surface.

yeah hermies are inevitable for femmed seeds but im sure it can be minimised?

I'd venture to guess that a lot of cannabis breeders and seedbanks wouldn't mind the stuff staying illegal. Guess what the most valuable part of the plant is, by weight? I'll give you a hint, it's not the buds.

if the plant is legal, monsanto would be probably be the biggest and probably the world's only breeder. BTW, growing is still illegal in Holland IIRC; the current big players are more likely to have operations in a Swiss canton somewhere.

but youre right - the illegality of the whole thing is keeping A LOT of parties in profit.

 

[Tomacco]

To the above poster Tomacco~
points 1 and 2 are essentially the same (stabilized and predictable / minimal phenotypical variation), and 3 is impossible to achieve with points 1 and 2 as S1ing or fem'd seeds are not predictable or stabilized.....

And those nug / plant shots are of my own special bubblegum from BOGs genetic gene pool, aka OGbubblegum... It's an S1 of BOGs personal bubblegum mother / keeper...

-gp

those look gorgeous, GP. ive yet to successfully grown out plants as purple as those.

BTW, what i meant with point 1 is that i would prefer breeders to be firm on the characteristics of the plant. as far as my seed buying goes, only classic strains turn out as described.

perhaps tissue culture (or something like that as what RC Clarke mentioned in his thesis) of select mothers would be the future?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Didn't nirvana already do this one .

That's what I was going to say.
I agree with others here... seed price is much less of an issue...
There are companies out there from one end of the price spectrum to the other... Quality and uniqueness will carry you much further toward satisfying the cravings of the market.

Which of my lines do not grow to description, tomacco?

 

[Chimera]

Check out Cannacopia seeds..... hybrid seeds created using some of the most sought after clone only's around with a suggested retail of $30......

DG confirmed a couple of weeks ago that they received tester packs for all of their varieties. Check 'em out, well worth the money.

-Chimera

 

[bigbrokush]

Well to answer a question, it was just a thought. Because what I see from so many people is the high price of seeds that most of the people can not buy because the seeds are out of their price range. And when I was speaking of $30 that was for a pack. But the more that I thought about and after reading more here I think that $15 - $20 range would be the right market.
Now as far as a stable seed, I'm sorry I don't want someone to pick a pheno for me. They might like something that I don't. Give me choices, that what you really want, to find that pheno that you giggle about and want to tell the world about. I mean seed companies come and go so fast that sometimes you not able to try some of there gear, because of the cost. Could they do it for less of course, much less if they wanted. Truth be told.

 

[grapepunched]

I wholeheartedly agree with the price observation by the way...^^^
Truth be told. Just look at annaC and Mandala.... they did it right... =)

-gp

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

True, seed makers could sell for less. So could every one else selling any commodity anywhere.

However, if you expect to make seeds is an area where it is illegal to even possess seeds, ship them somewhere for distribution, establish a company somewhere that can legally invoice the seed distributor so you can bill them for the 60% of the sale price you have coming, Pay taxes in the country where your legal business is, and then have the remaining liquid assets wired into your home country to a 'safe account'... then your final net income from the seeds will be less than the value of the buds you lost making the seeds, to say nothing of your time separating, sorting, counting, labeling and packaging...

Also if you plan to give away a fourth as many seeds as you sell, your margins will be further reduced by 1/5...

In all honesty I would not bother with all the red tape and hoop jumping without my portion of the gross sales being at least $3 or $4 per seed.

 

[oldtoker]

my brother owns a bussiness man the cost of over head easily makes the checks he gets from customers cut in half every time its bussiness

if head says he is making 3-4 dollers a seed he is and for that matter perhaps he should raise his prices think about the time he spends doing that, i breed seed for my self not to sell and i still know the time and patience it takes to produce truly good seeds and then to let them be proper when you store them seperated well and labeled, and he does it countless times i mean i really have no idea how many but if hes doin most of the work by him self then i think he has some sierous time investment in that.

i think quality is what sets prices for me, although some people lie,cheat,steal and dont play fair thats life, and you just got to get past them

to bad direct sales was no option man, then i think we would all see a large drop in prices to say the least, but untell then how can you get mad, seedbay is helpin you all i mean cmon. they aint so bad.


willy jack seeds buys 50 seed of each coffie shop and then inbreed and sells for 50 bucks, i have no idea of the product but i just thought you should know he already has done this.

heres a funny idea take arcata trainwreck and force it to hermph(force it to because it doesnt on its it own i dont give a fuck who says otherwise) eaaaasssily in your room thats full of 20 trainwreck then collect seeds and market as fem trainwreck and if people get hermphs just ignore them and say they grew it wrong.

 

[africanherbsman]

If the plants a grown like trees there could be litteraly thousands of beans...even at 1-2 dollars apeice that could be like 1-2 thousand bucks a plant easy, if not more. Have 5 trees and thats 5-10 k. I bet someone could do that every month ....but then maybe I'm an idiot and will watch this topic

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

If the plants a grown like trees there could be litteraly thousands of beans...even at 1-2 dollars apeice that could be like 1-2 thousand bucks a plant easy, if not more. Have 5 trees and thats 5-10 k. I bet someone could do that every month ....but then maybe I'm an idiot and will watch this topic

If a plant is grown like a tree, I'm gonna get 1 to 2 thousand bucks for the buds, unseeded... Cash on the barrel head... No waiting for stock to sell and be paid for... No sorting out the white, hollow, or misformed... no counting... no packaging or labeling.. no juggling invoices through foreign companies or taxes to pay...

Do that with 5 trees and I could do 10k worth of bud easily...

And try every 67 days, not every month... Where you find a 1 month flower time mom?

 

[Bacchus]

Jack Herer

 

[BENJI]

lets say if you ran a seed company then u would realise how much hard work and effort goes into making strains so who realy can put a price range on there strains considering what u get from them in the long run i guess its just breeders choice they would judge it by how much hard work and time and effort it has taken to breed and aquire certain strains (clones). Realy you are just talking about what nirvana has already done? am i right correct me if im wrong.

 

[Cuzin_Dave]

Creating and stabilising a line is very difficult work. People can make honest F2's and more power to them as long as they breeders are sincere about how much work they put into the line. F2's can be pretty damn good plants and if the seeds are prices right even better.

 

[oldtoker]

hey to everyone complaining about why doesnt he just make more seeds or bigger plants, why dont you grow more bud to sell and then the price of seeds wouldent matter would they? why the hell would you get mad if you paid even 500 for the best seeds on earth you know your going to harvest more then 2 ounces? and you can clone and have it forever

the seed is something you can keep along time, many crops alot of money, put your time in and find a good mom and you wont have to buy seeds, and if your buying for variety then realise you gota pay. im not saying there isnt companys ripping people off but maybe think about the whole circle id say the worst is mislabeling seed and selling it as something differn't.

anyway whens the last time you sorted 5000 seeds because at a rate of 2 dollers a seed thats how many you need. to get 10k.

by the way i dont belive in fully seeding every caylx on a bud maybe half or less i think the buds ripein better and so do the seeds, more energy to the few that are there, i guess this just would make it even harder to get a magical 5000 seeds to sell for 2 dollers a piece, and by the way im sure that theres 500 people waiting in line to buy these seeds. so like head said no worry on waiting for customers to order they are waiting in line all 500 of them.

also do you know if you cant get the money threw a laundry system that all you can have is seed credit, head didn't even mention that did he. im sure that really is helpin. just another thing to think about when bitching about high prices, that arent even really high and you can probley get your money back times 5 on the first harvest but i guess theres not enough things to bitch about, why would i be stoked to get this stuff, if no one bred cannabis i could just grow my favorite roadside hemp.

ROADSIDE HEMP flowers for ever about 11 weeks yields nothing and taste like nothing and gets you no high. seeds on sale now. 2 dollers a seed

wheres my 500 customers?

i think the system is working.