My brother, you've been doing slapschtick the whole time, albeit unwittingly...Chamba said:
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If I were a seed company
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Chamba
"......where you question my ethics...."
no one is questioning your ethics (well...at least not at first...)
I, and others, have brought into question, not just yours, but many or most of the seed makers prices.....isn't that clear to you??..why do you keep veering off on a "Head seeds are great, I could charge double" tangent every chance you get?
no one is questioning your ethics (well...at least not at first...)
I, and others, have brought into question, not just yours, but many or most of the seed makers prices.....isn't that clear to you??..why do you keep veering off on a "Head seeds are great, I could charge double" tangent every chance you get?
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**the preceding comedic portion of this thread was sponsored by Head Seeds™**
Not so much that tangent, as a "The fairness of seed pricing has to be based on actual product value, and actual investment of the seedmaker's resources... not just the wishes of the consumer... and if demand continually outweighs supply and only a handful of malcontents fail to realize the actual bargain they are getting then things are pretty fair already" tangent...Chamba said:
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Chamba
good points FourBearer.....
I'm sure there are some here who will disagree with no 3.
but sure, there are hundreds more varieties out there with subtle difference nowdays, but with the way things are going with all these hybrids crosses with hybrids, where do you think the state of things will be in another twenty years time?
I'm sure there are some here who will disagree with no 3.
but sure, there are hundreds more varieties out there with subtle difference nowdays, but with the way things are going with all these hybrids crosses with hybrids, where do you think the state of things will be in another twenty years time?
Finally legal, so that those who have a good grasp of gene pool improvement, and trait isolation... as well as those with a good grasp of landrace preservation... will be able to work in laboratory grade facilities with out fear of consequences... to produce seedlines taylor made to nearly every need or preference.Chamba said:
It would be respectful towards customers to keep promotional and sold strains separate. Even though ones who have got those seeds might think they've got 80$ worth product for free and promote products more passionately. It really doesn't warm the buyers heart that the seller has given away seeds. At the end of the day sentimential value of the product sold doesn't mean much.
I don't know if there is a scientific process that would justify the prices charged ie compared to other seeds.
cup winning quality... It's pretty obvious what happens behind names, and prices asked. No cool packets or playing big role in discussion boards will change that. Having cannabis seed company is like owning casino, honest scam. I believe what I see, not what I would like to see.
Seeds
Seeds
FourBearer,
If you look back over 20 or more years of cannabis seed sales:
1. The variety of seeds has increased exponentially
Yes but how many are new genetics, and how many are reshuffles of the same old genetics?
2. Where only a few seed sellers existed world wide, there are now thousands
Seed sellers yes, knowledgeable seed breeders, no.
3. The quality of cannabis seeds has improved dramatically
There are more highly potent varieties, I agree. But quality means more then this.
4. The price of cannabis seeds has dropped dramatically, and when you consider inflation, the prices today are ridiculously low
Wrong, I sold for $.50 wholesale and $1-$2 retail in 1976, even adjusting for inflation the prices are higher today.
5. The price of wholesale and retail cannabis has skyrocketed
Wrong, the best herb was $5,000 a LB in the early 1970's.
6. The income derived from seed sales has plummeted
You are wrong, the total sales is higher then ever, but divided amongst the many sellers.
7. The legal penalties for seed breeders has increased
Maybe.
8. The capabilities for LEO to identify and bust breeders has increased beyond anyone's expectations
Maybe, it depends where the breeder is based.
-SamS
Now, what was the question?
Seeds
FourBearer,
If you look back over 20 or more years of cannabis seed sales:
1. The variety of seeds has increased exponentially
Yes but how many are new genetics, and how many are reshuffles of the same old genetics?
2. Where only a few seed sellers existed world wide, there are now thousands
Seed sellers yes, knowledgeable seed breeders, no.
3. The quality of cannabis seeds has improved dramatically
There are more highly potent varieties, I agree. But quality means more then this.
4. The price of cannabis seeds has dropped dramatically, and when you consider inflation, the prices today are ridiculously low
Wrong, I sold for $.50 wholesale and $1-$2 retail in 1976, even adjusting for inflation the prices are higher today.
5. The price of wholesale and retail cannabis has skyrocketed
Wrong, the best herb was $5,000 a LB in the early 1970's.
6. The income derived from seed sales has plummeted
You are wrong, the total sales is higher then ever, but divided amongst the many sellers.
7. The legal penalties for seed breeders has increased
Maybe.
8. The capabilities for LEO to identify and bust breeders has increased beyond anyone's expectations
Maybe, it depends where the breeder is based.
-SamS
Now, what was the question?
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1. when reshuffled, another card often comes to the top of the pack
2. the number of knowledgeable breeders will have also increased, someplace
3. quality often means a little of less
4. prices have dropped on yesterday, not yesteryear
5. always depends on where and how in the world we sit
6. plummeted only into fluted crystal-cut champagne glasses the last time we looked
7. no more so than ever was the case
8. likewise the capabilities for breeders to identify and target a seed market has increased
just two stalks :wink:
peace peace peace
2. the number of knowledgeable breeders will have also increased, someplace
3. quality often means a little of less
4. prices have dropped on yesterday, not yesteryear
5. always depends on where and how in the world we sit
6. plummeted only into fluted crystal-cut champagne glasses the last time we looked
7. no more so than ever was the case
8. likewise the capabilities for breeders to identify and target a seed market has increased
just two stalks :wink:
peace peace peace
1976:
Median Household Income: $12,686.00
Cost of a first-class stamp: $0.13
Cost of a gallon of regular gas: $0.59
Cost of a dozen eggs: $0.84
Cost of a gallon of Milk: $1.65
2007:
Median Household Income: $58,000 (increase of 457%)
Cost of a first-class stamp: $0.42 (increase of 323%)
Cost of a gallon of regular gas: $4.21 (increase of 713%)
Cost of a dozen eggs: $3.19 (increase of 379%)
Cost of a gallon of Milk: $4.19 (Increase of 300%)
$2.00/seed retail for beans in 1976
$8.00/seed retail for beans in 2008
An increase of 400%...
Seems pretty much in line with the rest of the economy to me...
Median Household Income: $12,686.00
Cost of a first-class stamp: $0.13
Cost of a gallon of regular gas: $0.59
Cost of a dozen eggs: $0.84
Cost of a gallon of Milk: $1.65
2007:
Median Household Income: $58,000 (increase of 457%)
Cost of a first-class stamp: $0.42 (increase of 323%)
Cost of a gallon of regular gas: $4.21 (increase of 713%)
Cost of a dozen eggs: $3.19 (increase of 379%)
Cost of a gallon of Milk: $4.19 (Increase of 300%)
$2.00/seed retail for beans in 1976
$8.00/seed retail for beans in 2008
An increase of 400%...
Seems pretty much in line with the rest of the economy to me...
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Chamba
FourBearer, Sam Skunkman and especially Docleaf,
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est1977
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i'd pay 30 bux for seeds i've paid 15 for nirvana I know most of you might not realize or know, Big Bro Kush has been breeding for a while lol believe me if you guys know like i know YOU WANT TO SEE 30 SEEDs from him!!!!! and not just knock off F2's cause he already has a Stable of his Strains off and running.And what other breeders havent used another Breeder's Strains or work.I remember the Orgn Kid fiasco where everyone was jockin for Blackberry S1's to cross to thier shit head,wally and a few other cats all had blkberry crosses i say change the game, just because strains are affordable doesnt necessarly mean they are inferior heres a pic of plants resulting from BBK's Seedline
southern comfort#1
Soco#2
Soco#2buds
fullshot of southern comfort (g13,ww,chocthai92and Sour D)
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southern comfort#1
Soco#2
Soco#2buds
fullshot of southern comfort (g13,ww,chocthai92and Sour D)
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So... giving away seeds I also sell is disrespectful??Rupert said:
How so?
If I sell a pack of seeds to some Brit or another for £40.00 and it enables me to gift a pack of seeds to some poor Czech who can't afford them, where is the disrespect?
If you get upset because someone else got something for free that you had to pay for, then you've got issues you need to work out.
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Chamba
"Seeds - They always came as freebies, what a difference 10 years makes."
I agree, when I was young, seeds would of never been exchanged for money..it was unheard of....people would of looked at you like you were a Martian if you tried to sell them seeds. Seeds were everywhere, every bud was seeded..lol..seeds were a nuisance..
but there's lot's of choice now for buyers, there's more info available, more growers that are alot more knowledgable about growing cannabis compared to twenty years ago.....and sure, it's a re-shuffle of the old strains, but that's being too critical, if the market or the current situation was such that it made it worth it to be into producing true breeding strains instead of unstable hybrids, then we would be seeing alot more uniformity and lots of new strains.
also in many of today's hybrids, these unique traits, scents or tastes are isolated and show strongly in the plants from a packet of seeds.... and while they are not true breeding, if you want to make some seed, you can cross the males with the females and grow out the seeds for clone selection....or cross the females with a landrace based strain...or do what most do and just clone all the females and then keep the best
or revegg the best female(s) for another grow.. which is what I do, rather than try to clone when it's too warm
I agree, when I was young, seeds would of never been exchanged for money..it was unheard of....people would of looked at you like you were a Martian if you tried to sell them seeds. Seeds were everywhere, every bud was seeded..lol..seeds were a nuisance..
but there's lot's of choice now for buyers, there's more info available, more growers that are alot more knowledgable about growing cannabis compared to twenty years ago.....and sure, it's a re-shuffle of the old strains, but that's being too critical, if the market or the current situation was such that it made it worth it to be into producing true breeding strains instead of unstable hybrids, then we would be seeing alot more uniformity and lots of new strains.
also in many of today's hybrids, these unique traits, scents or tastes are isolated and show strongly in the plants from a packet of seeds.... and while they are not true breeding, if you want to make some seed, you can cross the males with the females and grow out the seeds for clone selection....or cross the females with a landrace based strain...or do what most do and just clone all the females and then keep the best
or revegg the best female(s) for another grow.. which is what I do, rather than try to clone when it's too warm
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bigbrokush
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I love that we have had so many people hit this thread. I would have never thought that it would have gone this long. But I have read the whole thing again. And let me say this "SamS thank you for what you have done you are true and everyone else is a knockoff." And I wish that I had the skunk that was in California back in the late 80's early 90's, that shyt was super.
Now to the new school breeders. We live in a age where cell phones start off at like $600 for the phone and in one years you can get that same phone for like $50. Why because other makers do this thing called comp. And its wonderful because it drives the price of things down. Like that 52 in flat screen I wanted 5 years ago but it was $10k now I can pick it up for $2400 or less. So that was my thoughts with making this thread.
H3ad I read that you say that I would make cheap knock offs. I'm sorry those seeds would be as good if not better than the first run. I also see you speak a lot about taxes. You're not paying taxes on the seeds once the money hits the states, that's Uncle Sam don't know money.
Chamba I do agree with you I like to think like the Wal Marts of the world. Sell more for less. Get your product into everyones hand not just a few that can afford it.
But now I have to wonder after something here if Fem's would be better than a strain that can produce both sexes (Hmmmm). I know that the big companies only make female seeds. I'm going to give that some real thought. Fem'd seeds for $30 a pack. I would have to use my whole warehouse for that.
Now to the new school breeders. We live in a age where cell phones start off at like $600 for the phone and in one years you can get that same phone for like $50. Why because other makers do this thing called comp. And its wonderful because it drives the price of things down. Like that 52 in flat screen I wanted 5 years ago but it was $10k now I can pick it up for $2400 or less. So that was my thoughts with making this thread.
H3ad I read that you say that I would make cheap knock offs. I'm sorry those seeds would be as good if not better than the first run. I also see you speak a lot about taxes. You're not paying taxes on the seeds once the money hits the states, that's Uncle Sam don't know money.
Chamba I do agree with you I like to think like the Wal Marts of the world. Sell more for less. Get your product into everyones hand not just a few that can afford it.
But now I have to wonder after something here if Fem's would be better than a strain that can produce both sexes (Hmmmm). I know that the big companies only make female seeds. I'm going to give that some real thought. Fem'd seeds for $30 a pack. I would have to use my whole warehouse for that.
1. F2s are WAY more variable than F1s period.bigbrokush said:
**EDIT**1a. Cheap was a reference to your pricing structure, not your 'good or better'-ness.
2. How you getting $$ to the US?? You got an international business set up so you can keep the money legal?? is it FREE?? Pot dealers make Uncle Sam don't know money, not seed makers. My tax situation is none of your business, but it'd be hard for anyone to ever prove I was hiding any portion of my income.
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I like to think of Wal-Mart as the evil corp. which has moved billions in US capitol to China, on the backs of poor sweat shop children, who produce sub-standard products.bigbrokush said:
IWanaGetHiSoHi
Active member
Come on h3ad ... you know these kids have more real info about your financial situation then you do. When you have the Internet and assumptions ... who needs facts? Ignorance is Bliss ... careful or we might learn something ...
bigbrokush said:
hmm, I would say that instead of F2's, go for originality..
price them according to yer cost of production and time..
moderate a helpdesk for yer products, be honest, and yerself, and helpfull..
pretty shure if you do them basic things, you will grow a content customer base.
basic experience in breeding, testing yer projects, and communication skills are also fundimental..
good luck. peace, bub.
