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thats for crappy outdoor, and 800 a pound is the price if you buy the whole crop, not just singles.
Indoor medical grade or quads are 2500-3000+
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Ideas For Keeping Pot Prices from Deflating Rapidly
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thats for crappy outdoor, and 800 a pound is the price if you buy the whole crop, not just singles.
Indoor medical grade or quads are 2500-3000+
tourist prices lol...i remember in Las Vegas we paid 20 bucks for a gram of brickpack and we were happy lol. that was before we had the genius idea to just bring our own..instead of scouring the strip looking for dealers in drunk fashion.
Yeah the ole quality versa quanity argument I know it well. The only problem with this argument is what I think is killer and what you think is killer is usually two different things. We all agree GANGSTA WEED is the best weed lol.. or lets say the dankest weed..Sure I would rather have quality but it's so few and far between lol and hoarded which sucks peace out Headband707
binaryfission
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WOrD.
But, it won't be that way in an increasingly legal market. You won't be able to hoard strains. Micro-propagation only takes a leaf. We gonna have armed guards around all of our grows; will Incinerators be standard fare for growers? Lets say you have a "million dollar strain" in the new legal market; how long till someone offers someone you know $50k to steal a leaf. Won't happen to everyone but it will happen. Unless we emphasize where its from and who grew it. Terroir is a great way to do that in my opinion.
People can't steal or copy your geographic location, your climate or your culture.
On the greed tip? this is America we live in a consumer society where people want more, bigger and better. deal with it. If legalized supreme that you would pay $3200/ lb will sell for $1000 lb once the supply meets demand. Im saying there will be no market left. once legalized. yes there will be more of a demand but if everyone can grow it freely price will plummet to all time lows. its happening now already and its not even legalized a few years ago i was banging out lbs of sour for 5500-6k now im lucky to get 4-45 because of the overflow of ganja coming out of cali. lol you think 3200 on that supreme once legalized? yea right dude im payin that now. once legalized we are all fucked unless your running 50kw pushing out bows for 1-2k a pop.
and its not greed trying to make money off a biz you survive from. i didnt appreciate that assumption.
Maria_Vanessa
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You're assuming that everyone will want to grow. But you have to consider that the fact that not everyone will want to grow if buying is easier.
There will always be people who will pay a premium price if their cannabis is premium grade/strain, however you want to label it, which can and will be decided between a grower and his or her customers(s).
Not everyone will want to grow if they have children in their home.
No everyone will grow if they choose to live in a "dry" county.
Not everyone will grow if they have tried growing before, failed several times and decided to give up.
Not everone will grow if they cannot afford the supplies and seed or cuttings needed to grow if it is cheaper to buy from someone else.
Not everyone will have access to the same geneotypic strains, therefore, prices of cannabis overall will not plummet. Common strains may, but with the way people like to create new geneotypes, rarity of popular strains or strains spread by word of mouth, will be a factor in price setting.
The list can go on and on. Therefore, prices, overall will not plummet to all time lows as you have stated. Prices will fluxuate depending on what your geographic location.
Forgot the best "source" i found. .pdf about Saskatchewan going local with terroir. There is more than one similarity to California and or some of the other places I have mentioned else where on the globe.
from he-yah.
@headband707 - I understand its cheap that is the issue. People right now can't diffrentiate between cheap indoor BC and lovely greenhouse or outdoor. (ICMAggers can, I would assume, but the population in general can not.) This is a problem. Mass-produced commercial bud is mistaken for medicinal herb grown by people who care; this will force the market into a downward spiral chasing a lower price. We want them to look for quality and not be afraid to spend on it.
Terroir, helps them differentiate from a $70 dollar ounce and a $100 one. We need to make sure that the hundred dollar ounce is priced as such because of "the various benefits and normative advantages local” food systems" "hold over their more “globalized” competitors." as opposed to being hyped by a marketing campaign to increase its perceived value. People should use their dollar, as a vote, for products which taste better or are better for you or better for the community, not because Vida Guerra or Justin Beiber said so.
rambling but...
Check the link in this post its a nice can opener.
Okay well for one thing your lucky if your bud outdoor is as nice as your indoor/greenhouse. If you can pull that off then who cares as long as it's safe and it does the trick. Cannabis is diverse as the ppl that smoke it and there is no one solution for this drug because it has so many effects for so many ppl. I think Cali has lead the way with their dispensaries and handing out great clones and that is a great move on their part. Now the only way to move is forward and take it to the next level and get it stronger for JQ Public and sick ppl. The money part will come just plant the seeds and let it gro lol peace out Headband707
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Aero G is right about market economy demand/supply.When 19 passes demand will increase but don't forget who will be running some of the circus grows,Lee and now De'Angelo they have both stood by their high prices arguing that it would get to the black-market.Maria V has important points as well How many people do you know with med papers that don't grow.Harborside in Oakland pulled $21 million last year off of people who don't grow.When your in line to look at clones and someone buying meds asks with interest about growing.You respond that takes about three to four weeks to veg. eight weeks to flower their eyes glaze over.How many people own a kitchen and don't use it.Look at the prices in Amsterdaam where it is legal is it cheap.How's the quality.
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Rabbi Reefer
The initial cash flow will go to those selling grow supplies.
Imagine a "Geek Squad" to set up your tent, light, fan, etc....
Imagine a "Geek Squad" to set up your tent, light, fan, etc....
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arcticsun
Ive got an idea.. smoke more weed!!
IncredibowlBoss
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well actually,, what i am trying to due is create the demand for these products. to educate the consumer on how their demand influences prices.
you get that? without the products there can be no demand.
what comes first existence or essence? the chicken or the egg?
Also, study any precious material and you can learn how to artificially keep prices up. or atleast manipulate them. Think diamonds, oil, gas etc.
I do marketing for a couple mmj manufacturers, so I love this discussion!
I found this little bit in the New York Times yesterday - they hired two new york ad agencies to do some speculative cannabis marketing designs (if you ask me, they both missed the boat on 2/3 of their demographics, but it's the thought that counts):
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/25/how-would-legal-marijuana-be-branded.html
I know that I'd be wary of both of these products - they're too slick, too corporate, and probably grown under shit conditions. I don't buy groceries from chain supermarkets, clothes from Wal Mart, or electronics from Best Buy, and I'll be damned if I buy some industrially farmed and packaged weed. There are plenty of consumers like me - probably most of the folks on ICMag, even. Of course, there are always gonna be broke college kids who will smoke whatever, and the market for industrial schwag will always be there.
I think what it will come down to is that the big corporate grows are inevitable - low priced, bulk-produced, shit weed is inevitable - but the demand for "boutique" bud is significant. The analogy I always use is that when I walk into a liquor store, there's definitely plenty of cheap 24-packs that the frat boys buy, but I like my $9 22 oz bottle of far superior brew. Avery Brewery isn't threatened by Coors, because they make essentially a different product (ie something I'm very interested in drinking as opposed to something I often won't drink if it's the only thing there), and I'm more than happy to pay $9 for a bottle because it tastes infinitely better and fucks me up about 6 times more.
This model transcends CPGs (consumer packaged goods); look at clothing: if value was the only consideration, name brands could not exist. That said, I'll drop $80 on a pair of jeans if they're dope/unique and I believe they're of a higher quality. Likewise with audio equipment: a real stereophile drops the money for Bose - if he or she is in music production, maybe Mackies or another high-end monitor brand - there are plenty of cheaper speakers that are just as loud, but don't have all the sonic detail of the higher-end speakers. Food too! I (and everyone else shopping at the health food store instead of the chain grocer) pay $6-8 for a package of 10 slices of organic free range turkey breast. I could definitely get like 50 Oscar Meyer slices for half that price, or 25 boar's head slices - but I believe that I can taste and feel the difference with the higher quality stuff and that it's worth the price, even when my income is extremely fixed.
I think this will naturally arise in a legal cannabis market, because we already see its parallel in amsterdam - you can buy the 4 pack of reefers with generic ganja, or you can shell out considerably more and buy primo nugs - they still sell plenty primo nug, even though the 4-packs are a hell of a deal.
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That's what prices are like in BC and plenty of people are still getting rich off of it.
binaryfission
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I did not intend to call you greedy. I addressed my response to you and anyone else who thought i was doing this out of greed.
I agree with what you say, except i believe terroir can "save us."
Wine has decreased in price dramatically in the past few years. BOttles priced in the single digits. Guess what? at the same time the world consumed almost too much Champagne. Cristal and Moet were worried about a shortage. Price was going to go up even farther.
Cristal is like OG Kush or rosebud.
Not everyone will be able to grow it.
The more people who get exposed the more people who will want it.
Tolerances of our community in general are going to rise, increased consumption.
People are greedy and driven by hype, more often than not.
Guess what makes champagne, Champagne. The friggin terroir. You can't print Champagne on the bottle unless you are growing in the Champagne Region of France and certified.
You want your local grown "Mendo Purps" to retain value? Trademark where you are growing, with Terroir, and you just increased your rarity/uniqueness factor ten fold.
@INcredibowlBOSS - Word.
QFT.
You make great points. k+ and thanks for contributing. Any thoughts on the fair trade model? Any people in Colorado talking about this type of schtuff?
@arcticsun - nah lets just turn more weed into hash.
Why smoke rope?@rick shaw - Harborside is a great example. People pay for convenience.
@MariaVanessa - YES. yes. yes. yes. must spread.
@headband707 - This is how we can take it to the next level bro. We educate the mindless consumer. We empower them with knowledge so that they can use their hard earned wages to support the right people, not the best advertised, or the biggest, or the slickest.
Again, for anyone who mistook my previous post. I wasn't calling anyone greedy. I was responding to people whom I thought were calling me greedy, or saying this thread was originated in greed.
And the concept you are suggesting simply uses an unfounded hype to take advantage of the greed you describe.
Is that not a greed in itself? Yes, it is.
And all you are doing is discussing a marketing ploy, and nothing more.
What you should be discussing is how your terrior even has any validity, which IMO does not. And I briefly explained earlier why I would argue it's not...but of course no discussion from you, only directions of what should be and not be discussed in your thread.
Hell, you even had a man claiming to be of the wine industry stating his doubts on the validity of terrior, but you already have it in your head it is a valid concept.
I have to assume you haven't grown enough pot to understand why it isn't going to fly.
Can any of your concept help the community, or would it try to keep prices elevated using a ploy, taking advantage of some of our communities participants?
Do you find yourself a champion for the cause by trying to come up with ways to charge more money for pot?
I probably need to start my own thread and not point out these things here, aye?
IncredibowlBoss
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Well, the economy's sort-of fundamentally fair-trade here. Most of the grows are indoors, and few are huge-scale commercial ops, so the majority of trimmers that get work are either locals who get a fair wage or (unfortunately) machines. Additionally, since it's been for-profit from the start, and (for better or worse) the industry is fairly regulated by the state, it runs more-or-less like any business would. I know in the California community, there are a lot of underpaid immigrants harvesting, and it's definitely an area where a sustainable wage will make a difference.
You guys really believe that legalizing it will change your money flow that much LOL we legalized it here and nothing happened to the cash flow LOL .. Actually nothing happened at all except the DEA came here and asked us to stop 2 years later so I think you might have the wrong idea of what will happen all of a sudden .. I will tell you what I have noticed since this whole debate has started... I have noticed a particular bias towards the cannabis news slanting the wrong way from both the Canadian and American News stories for example Halloween candies with cannabis handed out to your kids and all these stories of pot busts trying to make potheads look bad . Which inturn only makes our news agencies look like they are in someones pocket. Why are they not reporting the good things about cannabis? The medical breakthroughs ect You have to wonder who is working for whom and how gullible do they think we really are? peace out Headband707
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Right on, Baba Ku.
Terroir of wine makes more sense to me than that of da kine. When grape growers produce a crop, stressing the vine is often essential for making exceptional wines. For that reason, quality grape growers have much success in marginal soil by producing small crops of intensely flavored grapes.
Looking at this from another perspective, I'm guessing I could potentially have much better results taking a cutting of any world-class mj plant to my house than I would by planting most any world class grape varital cutting in my back yard.
The OP still apparently has trouble discerning between economic trends and marketing ploys.
lw
Terroir of wine makes more sense to me than that of da kine. When grape growers produce a crop, stressing the vine is often essential for making exceptional wines. For that reason, quality grape growers have much success in marginal soil by producing small crops of intensely flavored grapes.
Looking at this from another perspective, I'm guessing I could potentially have much better results taking a cutting of any world-class mj plant to my house than I would by planting most any world class grape varital cutting in my back yard.
The OP still apparently has trouble discerning between economic trends and marketing ploys.
lw
You know this is IMVHO the really sad part about the whole marketing cannabis. What you think is great and what I think is great are two different things. Then they put these numbers out there these 22% THC which BTW I call BULLSHIT on lol.. The bud was in no way shape or form 22% THC lol.. I think I would have gotten just a bit higher then I did ..So ppl get sucked into buying this crap and in the end that is all it really is, is cheap crap that someone was able to market well. That shit needs to stop .. I'm totally sick of all this marketing BULLSHIT seeing as though it is BULLSHIT!!! It would be so nice to be able to pick out the crooks from the honest ppl out there .. You just might get the pheno but chances are you won't lol.. peace out Headband707
