Ideas for cloning AF's

[Femora]

That strain is kind of there bro: Iranian auto. Iranian WON'T flower under 24 hours of light. Plant it in March, veg and take it out in June it should be done in early August or something.

Sweet 105: discontinued, GOOD mines never germinated for the most part, those that did ended up on the compost pile.... wayyyyy to slow, no vigour. The doc did not want to hear nothing about that too. Not easy to deal with the doc I reckon. But the iranian does work for me so I guess I am stuck with him for another season

Highrise seeds; Jury is still out for me. The breeder has a breeder section on another forum. No way to get good grow reports on most of his strains. Bluebonic x GG3 has great reviews. That's good. BUT I don't have that . I have Fast Bionic Guerilla, there is a thread on it, some guy ask for a smoke report, breeder says there will be one. That's in August, we are in January, nothing. See what I mean. Also, IMO the guy is a bit of a loose cannon. Mention the words : Iranian Auto and he flys off the handle. But I don't care about that if he has good strains. Problem is, if I can't see reports from another brother or two ANYWHERE why should I grow his strains. His Patriot Medecine looked good for me UNTIL the cold season came. Then they wasted away where other strains just stood there like nothing had happened.

GG3 worth trying IMO

Auto Affie X Mighty Mite I have and hope it will be good, if it's a true auto affie cross there should be AA dominant plants and it should be fine.

Wolf Island Sativa : don't know

Brickland: The best plant I had last summer vigour wise. Grows great, finishes great, but a little bland and not the most potent. Not bad, but not great.

There are other breeders too at that place you are talking about, who knows, some of their strains may work for you.

I am mostly banking on Purple Maroc, Iranian Auto, some autos for early harvest and those mentioned already.

Good luck to you, and everyone else for that matter!!!!!

How was the yield on those plants? Anyone with a really low yield is not interesting since... errr.. let's just say I have many friends!


and the Purple Maroc..
They sure seems interesting!

http://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/440685-purple-maroc-early-blooming-o.html
"I received 1 free Purple Maroc from a order via The Attitude. Grown indoor under a 400w MH/HPS along with some Autoflowers that I had ordered. At week 5 it started showing sex/pre-flowers and I thought "great, it's a girl and I'll clone it and keep it rolling in veg, for several weeks under the same 20/4 photoperiod." At week 7, started 2 air-layer clones using sphagnum moss wrapped around the 4th tier, removed at week 10,put into their own containers and they never missed a beat. Took 4 more clones to but in to my 8-site Daisy cloner at week 11 but had some concerns about their sucess rate as the mother was still showing clear signs of being in flower, they were a bit slow to show roots (took 4 weeks) but all 4 are now ready to go in to soil. Flipped the mother and the 1st 2 clones to 12/12 last week and they are rapidly developing flowers as I expected since the strain seemed to be determined to flower despite all my efforts to keep it in veg.
To summise, I have no idea of the yield or potency of this strain but I have never seen a sativa or indica with this level of early flowering. If it does yield well with potent buds could it be a "holy grail" for both indoor/outdoor growers especially those with short growing seasons? I've grown upwards of 50 different strains since my first grow in '77 and this is one odd bird for sure. Even if the smoke isn't all that outstanding,it may useful for breeding purposes as maybe a F2 or F3 hybrid a few years down the road."


got a vendor to recommend? Seedsman has a strain named that, but it dosn't seem right with his stated flowering-times...
www.cannabis-seeds.co.uk have em too and they seem better, aye (?)


You stated previously that Brickland was not that potent, and that makes me shine! Im not really fond of those high-thc-bombs.


Thanks all for contributing to my (right now) favorite thread and makes my day, over and over!

 

[niceeven]

There you go, you may just love Brickland, a real nice one when it come to vigor in my book. Good mould resistance too.

Any earlyish plant like the Brickland you can't expect a huge yield, a bit over a couple ounces maybe. The Iranian depends on how long you veg it. Mine stalled from the cool nights and I still got over two ounces. I consider that good for a short fast plant.

Purple Maroc from Female Seeds, get it anywhere bro, right here at the Seed Boutique. A strange plant in some ways. Female seeds seem to like working with a so called semi-Auto gene that stems from sativas. The Danes (HFH) are said to be favouring the sativas early genes as well.

Quite popular in some circles in the UK amongst others as it seems it's pretty much mould proof. Beautiful taste, covered in trichomes, about 7-10 for potency. Some like their weed more potent. It works for me. Some don't like what they call the 'lavender' taste, I love it. Amazing ice hash from the PM fresh frozen.

Now, early is relative. Mid- September at the very earliest, mine was harvested third week and it could have gone another week. In the UK they get them in mid-October and later it seems, probably because of less sunshine overall in the summer.

BUT I have asked female seeds and they confirm what i suspected: The semi auto gene should allow it to STAY into flowering if you where to cover them for say, a couple of weeks every nights starting early July. I do know some plants would be turning back into veg if you did that to them. See what I mean? Light manipulation is popular around here. Some people only do that. Cover your EM in early July for two weeks, every nights say at 5;30 PM. Depends if you are guerilla or not..... because you should uncover them once darkness has set in.

Otherwise, you can disregard Female seeds suggestions and veg them indoors for some time, say three feet tall. Semi -auto genes seems to equal flowering on time-size rather than day length. It worked for me. I got about a QP from an average size plant. Crowded spot though so you can even expect more if you give it lots of room. I like big swamp tubes. If you go that way you may want to consider veg. them under THE SAME LIGHT TIME THERE IS OUTDOORS AT THE TIME OF TRANSPLANT. See what I mean? For me it's 16h.

Outdoors, reasonably short season? I would definitely recommend the PM

Don't forget the Auto Affie x Mighty mite bro, they may offer an option for breeding yourself a cheap Iranian Auto of some sort. Some people swear the Iranian and Affies are the same plant. I don't know that. But the Affie is a great plant I am told. Same: can be veg. under 24 h. I don't know about it crossed with a Mighty mite. If you where to look around this site there is a thread in the auto flowering section that says the Affies short finish time is due to the Mighty mite. If that's true that would mean the Affie x Mite is really a back cross of some sort. Don't know how the plants will behave but worth trying imo. Why am I saying all that: I am told the mite tends to want to hermie under indoor veg. I had no problems, I grow mites too but never veged them for long, or attempted to clone them.....The real affie can be cloned I am told.

Sorry for all the rambling, I tend to do that..... can you tell I like to talk about growing weed ????? You like it? Good, share too when you get a chance and we all win right?

Good luck

 

[Femora]

Brickland (Almost sold out... hopefully not!)

The Brickland will have many extremely light sensitive individuals and the rest will be auto flowering. Some plants will have baseball size buds crammed together with others more like a thin tall Christmas tree. The yields will vary with the big yielding ones producing about a pound. The plants tend to be taller and smaller yielding indoors. The effects are euphoric, mind stimulating and very relaxed body but not to the point of tired. Some phenos will cause you to crash when the effects wear off leaving you tired. Good for getting to sleep. Smoke some more and the tired feeling leaves you. Some plants can be kept as clones with short enough nights. Most of the Brickland when cloned and vegged (indoors 22/2) will flower and finish under 16 hour days or 55-60 days from transplanting outside.

Afghan X Early Wonder Skunk
Indoor (55-60 Days)
Outdoor From Seeds (Aug 15-Sept 20)


Backup (in case the Brickland is out)

Wolf Island Sativa (F1)

Experimental

This is an F1 that has some variation in the plants. The AFS fathers were all finished flowering outdoors by the solstice. The AFS has lots of Reds/Yellows on the leaves and stalks. Expect a stretch when flowering starts, the AFS more than doubles its size after it starts to flower. The flowering times can be quite long (up to 90 days) but flowering starts quickly when the plants are between 2-3 months old, so start them mid March, or, start in April for a super early outdoor Sativa harvest. Most plants will not be auto flowering, but very light sensitive, needing 4 hours or less dark period to prevent flowering onset. If you are using clones, most will auto flower when transplanted outdoors. You will need to veg those plants to roughly one half their finishing size before transplanting outdoors.

Auto Affie (F) X Auto Flowering Sativa (M)
Outdoor Seeds (April Start, Ending Mid Aug-Sept)
Outdoor Clones (70-90 Days)
Indoor (Not Tested and Not Recommended)


I wouldn't recommend the Wolf Island Sativa for your location as you have a shorter flowering time and it says up to 90 days... that's stretching it where I'm at but there'll be shorter flowering mums in there somewhere.

Definitely hoping for the Brickland...

Plan is to cross with Princess Diesel F2's for indoor (lot of 18/6 veg rooms that could use a bit more green in the corner for oil production) and smack it with a high CBD strain for outdoor oil production.

Cross ya fingers.

Stay Safe!

N ooooooo... oooo .ooooo! My long post vanished due to a missklick! :/

Where did you find this information Hydro-Soil? I cant find it.


There is so many strains I will test, and I will have to spred out all my test-plants to not seed all my growth. Any idea how far apart I have to plant them to not risk them to pollinate each other? I wanna make some cash on this garden of mine too.. seedy weed aint as attractive.. ;o

I can now foresee my future! Between 15 april and 1 sept will I have soooooo much to do!

I guess It will be between 100 and 120 plants to keep up with. SIGH!

btw, I guess u all figured out that you have to count in the tvillight in the equation to find this 22/2-strain.
I found a really nice table with dates and latitudes and the "real" length of the nighttime. (No, I cant find that homepage right now, I guess im a bit to baked..) LOL
This should be really useful when we are looking for the keepers, and somehow determine how earlyflower they are.
On top of that.. If we manage to make out how earlyflowering they are we can tell exactly when it will be finished at any lat! That would be really really cool for the northern growers!

If anyone wanna get a seedbank going there sure would be a market for it..

Hope someone find this interesting!
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[Femora]

A thing that ive been thinking about is the feeding... My plan was to use slowreleasing ferts and add up with nutrion-solution once a week. Inbetween there is only rain that will keep these ladies going.

How much water will each plant desire?
I know its really dependent on the weather, but I need something to calculate on.. 2 liters ferts a week/plant? That gives about 200 liters/week * 8 weeks.. Thats just 1600 liter water... Shouldent be any problems to arrange that amounts!
The double could be troublesome.

Am I way off in my thinking?

Maxibloom

 

[niceeven]

How far can pollen travel? FAR. I go at least a mile. Most will tell you it's not enough.

Watering? Don't know bro.... depends on your conditions and what you do.

In my experience if you use slow release ferts you don't have to water/feed every week, that's the purpose of using slow release ferts. Many of the guys on another Canadian forum use osmocote. I go organic and the wildlife causes me a little problem, or two, or three. They are attracted to a lot of the things we like to use. Depends on you. I solved my problem by using Botanicare pure blends mid season on. I use alfalfa for veg and it works great, once wet it seems unpalatable to wildlife. No problem there. The flowering stuff is different. i've had wolfs and coyotes digging plants out. Not fun. That's in holes though

This year I will use something like 90% swamp tubes. Lots of water where I live. Semi arid climate but lots of swamps, go figure. With swamps, bog land, wet lands, you dig a deep hole near your plants and there is your source of water for fertilizing. The larger the tube the better I have found. To give you an idea I like the tubes I make from at least 2/3 of a bale of Sunshine mix, more like 3/4 using the wrapper for tube. Remove the bottom, et voila. Dump the mix on a tarp and mix in 1 to-2 tbl of dolomitic lime. Dump a good KG of lime at the bottom on the swamp. I pound pegs, about seven all around the bale and wrap chicken wire, 5ft tall all around. The deers and moose can eat some of the branches as they grow out but mostly it works. You can go multi plants in one tube obviously, good for regular seeds, pull the males. NO Watering required. If you miss a week , something happens you can't go?, no problems.

Food for thoughts.

the strain info you are looking for is on the web site of the seed company we talked about earlier in the thread. I know that's not clear but there are rules on forums and mentioning other seeds companies is one of them...

 

[Femora]

Oh, thanks for the heads up. I noticed some threads where it wasnt allowed to name breeders... didnt know it was for all the forum. Good to know!

Maybe will I just have to water whem if the weather is really good and rain wont happen for a week/10 days...
I guess the startup is the crucial time.. until they get rooted deep enough.

Have you tried elevated growbeds? Where you have a cloth on the ground and build a frame around it and then fill it up with soil...
Im so curious on so many different things to try out!
I guess this kind of setup would be more sensitive to possible dryout(?)

About the slowrelease-ferts.. I dont know how to dose them, so my plan was to be careful with em, and add nutritions 1/week.
I have a plan to let some plants stand in a mix of soil and cowshit.
Everything in the name of sience! ;D

That 1 mile-pollenrange is just pure BS for me. I cant spread out THAT much with like 5-6 different growsites.

Nighty! Heading to work in 5 hours, sight! Off to bed!

 

[niceeven]

Oh the one mile thing I don't really know, it's just something I have heard and I am cautious, don't want to end up with seeded bud, that's all. Actually I have heard pollen can spread much further than a mile.

Slow release ferts often consist of regular ferts bunched up in small pellets, you'd think that the larger the pellets the slower the release. Dosage should be on the bag.

I have tried a whole bunch of stuff last summer. Elevated beds? yep. But it's the local conditions that spell out what works or not. For me it's worth trucking bales and bales and take them in the bush. To others you could just pile up the soil around your sites. Hard digging where i grow and not much soil to start with.

The elevated beds will only be as good as the soil you work with.

You only get as good at something as the amount of experience you have accumulated working with the conditions you have. That's my experience anyhow. People will say: do this, do that, but it's what you have to work with that dictate what you need to do.

Trying many different things, i have found out, is a frustrating investment: Some of the things are bound not to work. BUT some will and it's warp speed learning if you know what I mean.

 

[Femora]

I think ill skip the elevated attempt in the upcomming grow. I have a fear of 6 days of excellent weather and noone there to give them water..

I have some slow ferts in mind. But I have no idea how to dosage them. The dosage on the pack of the "pins" says something about diameter of the pot the plant is in and 2-5 pins from 7-20 cm. (3-7")
And a 2 m2 bed with plants is... quite hard to calculate...

 

[niceeven]

I see what you mean bro. I am no expert in slow release ferts but I am sure that if you where to use say the 5 pins to 7" as a guide line you could come to an approximate number by keeping in mind the amount of plants you plant in a 2m x 2m bed. Each plant will be naturally limited by the proximity of others. One thing I have found when I was using synthetic ferts is that less but more often tended to work for me.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Remember that, compared to a lot of plants, cannabis is considered a low feeder. Generally I would work with about 1/4str of what the mfg recommends. At least until you find out what works well. Too easy to burn.

Stay Safe!

 

[slint42]

My quick take on the issue of how far pollen can travel. I think it's an issue of how much pollen there is. Imagine a few acres of hemp, 50% male. That would probably screw up any sinsemilla grows for over a mile, depending on prevailing winds. Remember that cannabis pollen is designed to travel by wind. (And the really crappy part is that all of the resulting seeds would be half hemp, basically worthless.)

Now if you have a little plot with a few males for breeding purposes I think there's little chance that the pollen would travel a mile. Maybe one or two seeds in a cola. It's all about probabilities. I would study the prevailing winds in your area if possible, and site your males downwind. As soon as you've collected pollen destroy the plants, or somehow limit the amount of pollen they produce to little more than what you need.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Iranian Auto = not a true Auto. Just a photo sensitive early feno.

Anyone have a source for good seeds of this?

Wouldn't hurt to have another possible version of early flowering genetics around.

Stay Safe!

 

[offthehook]

@ H-S, I got my Iranian auto seeds from Dr Greenthumb in Cannada.

They were expensive like hell tho. I payed 245 euro's for 22 seeds.

It took way too long before they started flowering in here, so unfortunatly no seeds were produced.

(note that I'm extremely high up North, too far North for regular early's)

For more reasonable prices better check out the Danish strain vendors I'd say.

You said you would need the higher CBD strains?

Royal Dane is rather stoney but not extreme. It's a very vigorous grower that yields heavy.

There was nothing this special in the Iranian auto that would justify it's price imho.

Royal dane was a much better performer all over and much, much more early to shoot into flower.

I personally liked the high from the Iranian better tho, not as stoney as the Royal Dane was.

An other source to score your ealy's would be the RCMC: Royal Canadian Marijuana Collective.

I haven't tried those myself tho.

I created a full auto strain myself over here. One that is more narcotic then any auto strain I have sampled elsewhere.

The strain was way to tiring for my taste, so I quit doing the project and gave seeds to others who liked to continue with them.

I still got some of the early flowering old stock, but they are no big yielders.

The original strain I created it from was 'Double Fun', a rather early indica but not extreme early.

When grown indoor on 12/12 and kicked outdoors at summer solstice, regular 'Double Fun' will not reveg. Good & potent yielder for if it's your thing. Total body couch lock while the mind stays clear. (summer solstice in here means 24 hours sunlight & decreasing)

 

[Femora]

Noooo...ooo..ooo...!
I so wanted to rate that last post as useful, but my big fingers and a small smartphonescreen.. :/ sorry..


Well, those double fun... They could be vegging forever, aye?
How long would i have to keep them in flowering before transplanting them outdoors?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Yeah... found the Greenthumb site selling them.


What a rip.

Couch lock is generally not my thing... though it makes for awesome topicals. Would prefer to start with something lighter in the head, before crossing with what I've got. The Iranian looks like it fits that bill better but the pricing, even from europe, puts it out of the running until next year. LOL

The Brickland from RCMC is looking like what I need... still have time to make spring if I hurry.

Wondering how to get more folks involved without advertising. Prefer to deal with people individually. The goal is balanced and high CBD medicinal cannabis for the mountain communities at altitude in Colorado. The more folks that run the seed, the more seed we can sort through in a shorter amount of time. LOTS of 18/6 veg rooms around here.


We have a 90 day optimal growing season so not so much short flowering, more the early flowering gene that will be more valuable. We'll still be able to run sativas up here... mostly.

All in all I'm starting to get excited about early flowering genetics and what it can do for this region. Thanks for all the input folks, glad this thread was started.

Stay Safe!

 

[offthehook]

@ femora, 3 weeks in flowering should do.

But that's what I already said in the other thread, cuzz then they are already so big that you could as well finnish them indoors too.

Not my favorite methode.

 

[Femora]

Yeah, It will probably be just another workshop with that kind of project.

Allthou, It would be FUN o have a few 23/1 plants grown about 3 months in 20-25liter buckets and put them outdoor in early june in another 50 liter soil... I just gotta find that 23/1-strain... ;p

Well, if I start now maybe I'll have one of those going on in 5 years~

Hydro-Soil; May I ask your Lat?



Damit, I mix up this thread and "How to create a semi-auto".. Couldent we get them combined?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

LOL

I'm on the 5 year track myself. HEhehehehehehe.

I'm at 39n but up at 10,000 feet. It's a great area with about 90 days of good flowering season... with some pocket valleys that get very little sun.

Should I run into something that eternally vegges under 24/0 and flowers at 22 or 23... I'll be able to do 2 runs, a month apart with a 2 months flowering strain.

There's also the HUGE number of 18/6 veg rooms in the area. Was thinking something along the lines of those upside down tomato planters and hanging them in existing veg rooms to suck up the extra light.

Larfy as all get out... but it's just for hash or seeds anyway. Know what I mean? I expect the demand for Holy Anointing Oil to skyrocket around here in the next year or two. People will be making it themselves and this looks like a compatible vehicle... should I find it.

Stay Safe!

p.s. Yeah... combining the threads without the flames would be nice... we don't live in that world though. LOL

 

[sprinkl]

With such a short season I would place some interest in the superauto strains, they are mostly sat dominant in flower, with a longer flowering time and bigger yield. You could give them a month headstart by vegging indoors.
I've been looking into the dwarf auto's as I want a really early outdoor stash with some stealth to it. Superauto's are interesting for a late summer crop, but I'll go with more outdoor stuff from Female Seeds this year. It's all good and early, end of sept mostly, purple can be earlier. To me all those early strains have the same auto gene but recessive. There must be auto genes in a lot of landraces I figure..

 

[Hydro-Soil]

With such a short season I would place some interest in the superauto strains, they are mostly sat dominant in flower, with a longer flowering time and bigger yield.

Dunno... we have a good 90 days up here every year. As long as the strain starts flowering with only 4hrs of dark, we're golden.

I'll hand it to RCMC though... the seeds they sent are solid and started cracking within 12hrs of scarifying and putting in water to soak. popped em in cups, right away.

RCMC

Both the Brickland and GG#3 are cracking quick and all looked like prime seed examples. Very happy to see that.

Good luck to everyone else on their projects... this one has started!

Stay Safe!