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originalOutkast

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Gypsy, first off, we are so happy to see you here!!!! I remember sitting in your shop in Amsterdam, with you and OP, just shooting the shit. You are a great guy, and I'm so sorry for all you have had to endure! I never thought mine and TOH's life would get back to good.......but look at us all now. They can't keep the good guys down!!!! Thanks for all you have done, and continue to fo for the community!!!
 
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Never meet ya but have heard of your situation from the fam and I hated it for ya....glad your situation has gotten better...welcome back....RR
 
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originalOutkast

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Lapides, the relief is awesome, but everything is still sinking in.......we freakin' made it!!!!! I'm feeling things I can't even put into words. I can't stop hugging my kids!!!! I'm overwhelmed with emotions.
 
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Phenome, I have never asked anybody to "harbor" us. We can and have always taken care of ourselves. I think you misunderstood, and have taken my post all wrong. I have no ill will toward anyone. We are over the moon happy!!! I was simply saying that it was very difficult when "friends" stopped talking to us. It's only aiding and abetting if they help us in any way financially. Also, the person that told on us was a medical patient, from a medical state. His troubles were completely separate from anything we did. I have always found it helpful to not jump into a thread, and insert what I suppose may have happened, and then try to shred somebody. It makes you look like a jerk. If you knew me, you would know I'm a pretty decent woman, with complete love for the cannabis community. Take your negativity and put it in a box that you lock away, so that you might act more decent and KINDly to those people in your community. Remember when we are divisive, they win! Much love.
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I am never negative. Normally never get into other threads on this note. You can assume I am a jerk but I'm just a honest person that has been in your exact situation. On both ends also.
I'm also not stupid. You say that it is only illegal if they help you and you didn't need a place to stay or money, so your calling your friends while you're on the run for nothing? I know you were calling for some sort of help and not to just see how it was going. So you can figure I was just making a bold assumption, but it is clear to read in your original post.
You said that the people who you thought were your friends really weren't because the moment you needed them they turned away.
They were just protecting there own ass.

I never said aiding and abetting, I said harboring a fugitive, can be 5 years in prison depending on what state.
So what if I helped you financially or gave you a place to stay while you were on the run?
Then I figured out I'm your only friend now because I was the only willing one of your friends who was down to lend you cash or a place to stay.
I would feel almost blackmailed.
I've harbored friends and that blows me away to think that if I would turned them away we wouldn't be friends anymore.
I would figure I had no choice in a decision, you are making your friend choose between freedom and your friendship
I see how you're trying to say you don't have hard feelings against these people now but when you start putting the word friends in quotations it leads me to believe you consider them something else

Welcome back though no hard feelings over this.
And I'm sincerely sorry to hear that snitch caused you so much troubles
 
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Phenome, once again, you come off sounding like a jerk. I for sure didn't ask people for money. I borrowed one thousand dollars, which I paid back asap. I never asked for anything from my friends other than conversation. I stayed 2 weeks with someone, and I spent 4 nights with another person. Both people were very aware of our situation. You are judging my situation against yours. That is what makes you seem stupid, because as you know, the situations are not the same. TOH and I both have medical issues, he is insulin dependent diabetic, and I have RSD. Some of these friends I am talking about lied about things, to other friends of ours. Told people they were our friends, they were helping us, they talked to us all the time, were doing fundraisers, etc, and it was all lies, they just said things like that, that were far from true, and when other people told us about that, we were blown away. Honestly Phenome, our situations are totally different, and you sound foolish once again, by piping in about something you know nothing about. And, I bet the same people that couldn't talk to us until we were good again, will get in touch now, and act as if everything is cool, and actually it is better than cool now, but we will never forget the pain we felt when our friends straight turned their backs, lied, and used our situation to better themselves. It hurt, and it still does. But as I said, we wish them nothing but positivity and happiness. We had too many days and nights being pissed, now that it's over, the pain is what really got us the most. Rejection sucks, especially when it's people you care about!
 
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originalOutkast said:
Phenome, once again, you come off sounding like a jerk. I for sure didn't ask people for money. I borrowed one thousand dollars, which I paid back asap. I never asked for anything from my friends other than conversation. I stayed 2 weeks with someone, and I spent 4 nights with another person. Both people were very aware of our situation. You are judging my situation against yours. That is what makes you seem stupid, because as you know, the situations are not the same. TOH and I both have medical issues, he is insulin dependent diabetic, and I have RSD. Some of these friends I am talking about lied about things, to other friends of ours. Told people they were our friends, they were helping us, they talked to us all the time, were doing fundraisers, etc, and it was all lies, they just said things like that, that were far from true, and when other people told us about that, we were blown away. Honestly Phenome, our situations are totally different, and you sound foolish once again, by piping in about something you know nothing about. And, I bet the same people that couldn't talk to us until we were good again, will get in touch now, and act as if everything is cool, and actually it is better than cool now, but we will never forget the pain we felt when our friends straight turned their backs, lied, and used our situation to better themselves. It hurt, and it still does. But as I said, we wish them nothing but positivity and happiness. We had too many days and nights being pissed, now that it's over, the pain is what really got us the most. Rejection sucks, especially when it's people you care about!
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He don't get it. Prob never will..I call it "Stockholm (bonesuckers) syndrome" we have been under the the Boot so long some people like to lick it.. I'd rather have a Hater on my upcoming jury trial than some of our community...:tiphat:
 
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Gypsy, first off, we are so happy to see you here!!!! I remember sitting in your shop in Amsterdam, with you and OP, just shooting the shit. You are a great guy, and I'm so sorry for all you have had to endure! I never thought mine and TOH's life would get back to good.......but look at us all now. They can't keep the good guys down!!!! Thanks for all you have done, and continue to fo for the community!!!
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It's a pleasure to serve this community because there are some real diamonds in it, people who have helped me, even if they risked their own freedoms, which I never expected when I was banged up in a situation that most people could not even envisage. Western jails/detention are a 'cake walk' compared to what I had to endure.
Let me tell you a little story:

While I was trapped in this 'Dungeon full of Despots', I tried to exercise every morning by walking for an hour from 5am-6am around this absolutely filthy courtyard area between the two cell-blocks. The cement floor was uneven and had small puddles of filthy, greasy, greenish water on it, and there were many obstacles to watch out for when walking around this area that was less than half a basketball court in size, plus the fact that about 30 cats had been using it as a toilet all night while we were locked up, as they snacked on the garbage that was now strewn all over the place, mixed in with cat shit and piss, dead rats, roaches and gawd knows what else!

I manged to do my hour walk for about a month, then one day I tripped/slipped on cat-shit, fell badly and the old lower back injury I had and had managed for years got much, much worse. I was in absolute AGONY!...and with the help of some of the other inmates I made it back to my bunk-room to my bed, and for weeks I was mostly bedridden, pissing in a bottle, and sometimes having to crawl to the toilet literally, just to relieve myself.

The Bureau of Immigration doctor came to see me, and I explained that I had a slipped disc, but was only prescribed paracetamol, because (found out later), this was not really a qualified doctor, and this so-called 'doctor' was not licensed to prescribe any real painkillers, so was useless to me.

A good Scottish friend of mine, who had been regularly visiting me since I was detained suggested that he could bring me some proper pain-killers, so he would visit most weeks, and smuggle in a small quantity of pills to help. This worried me because if he was caught, then he would probably be jailed and prosecuted. My wife managed to get some Solpadeine (paracetamol + codeine) sent to her from the UK, and she would usually be able to get them into me, until the guards started stealing them off her after she had declared that she was bringing them in to me. So if I was to be able to get any pain relievers, they would have to be smuggled in.

One Friday my Scotts buddy was on the way to visit me, he texted my phone to say he was on the way, and he was bringing some pain-killers for me. I managed to get downstairs into the visitors area, and saw that there were many more guards about than normal, and they were really super-checking any visitors, so I texted my friend back and told him it was too dangerous to smuggle in anything right then. I didn't hear back from him until I was informed that my visitor had been busted for 'drugs', and I had to go see the warden about it.

My Scotts friend had put the meds in a 'Pan de sal' (small bread roll), and they had found the pills when searching him. They busted him, and threw him in the local Taguig jail, took his permanent Philippine visa off him, and it has so far cost him a small fortune just to be able to be out on bail. He is an international businessman, and needed to be free to travel all over Asia, but they put a 'hold departure' order on him, so he couldn't leave the country. All these troubles he has now, just because he tried to help me out with my back problem...and I kinda feel responsible for that.

So there are some people that will go that extra yard for you, even if it means threatening their own security, they are few and far between, and I never expected my friend to risk his own freedoms for me, but he did, and to this day we are still friends, and I would do anything for him.

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Gypsy Nirvana said:
It's a pleasure to serve this community because there are some real diamonds in it, people who have helped me, even if they risked their own freedoms, which I never expected when I was banged up in a situation that most people could not even envisage. Western jails/detention are a 'cake walk' compared to what I had to endure.
Let me tell you a little story:

While I was trapped in this 'Dungeon full of Despots', I tried to exercise every morning by walking for an hour from 5am-6am around this absolutely filthy courtyard area between the two cell-blocks. The cement floor was uneven and had small puddles of filthy, greasy, greenish water on it, and there were many obstacles to watch out for when walking around this area that was less than half a basketball court in size, plus the fact that about 30 cats had been using it as a toilet all night while we were locked up, as they snacked on the garbage that was now strewn all over the place, mixed in with cat shit and piss, dead rats, roaches and gawd knows what else!

I manged to do my hour walk for about a month, then one day I tripped/slipped on cat-shit, fell badly and the old lower back injury I had and had managed for years got much, much worse. I was in absolute AGONY!...and with the help of some of the other inmates I made it back to my bunk-room to my bed, and for weeks I was mostly bedridden, pissing in a bottle, and sometimes having to crawl to the toilet literally, just to relieve myself.

The Bureau of Immigration doctor came to see me, and I explained that I had a slipped disc, but was only prescribed paracetamol, because (found out later), this was not really a qualified doctor, and this so-called 'doctor' was not licensed to prescribe any real painkillers, so was useless to me.

A good Scottish friend of mine, who had been regularly visiting me since I was detained suggested that he could bring me some proper pain-killers, so he would visit most weeks, and smuggle in a small quantity of pills to help. This worried me because if he was caught, then he would probably be jailed and prosecuted. My wife managed to get some Solpadeine (paracetamol + codeine) sent to her from the UK, and she would usually be able to get them into me, until the guards started stealing them off her after she had declared that she was bringing them in to me. So if I was to be able to get any pain relievers, they would have to be smuggled in.

One Friday my Scotts buddy was on the way to visit me, he texted my phone to say he was on the way, and he was bringing some pain-killers for me. I managed to get downstairs into the visitors area, and saw that there were many more guards about than normal, and they were really super-checking any visitors, so I texted my friend back and told him it was too dangerous to smuggle in anything right then. I didn't hear back from him until I was informed that my visitor had been busted for 'drugs', and I had to go see the warden about it.

My Scotts friend had put the meds in a 'Pan de sal' (small bread roll), and they had found the pills when searching him. They busted him, and threw him in the local Taguig jail, took his permanent Philippine visa off him, and it has so far cost him a small fortune just to be able to be out on bail. He is an international businessman, and needed to be free to travel all over Asia, but they put a 'hold departure' order on him, so he couldn't leave the country. All these troubles he has now, just because he tried to help me out with my back problem...and I kinda feel responsible for that.

So there are some people that will go that extra yard for you, even if it means threatening their own security, they are few and far between, and I never expected my friend to risk his own freedoms for me, but he did, and to this day we are still friends, and I would do anything for him.
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Thank you very much for your story gypsy.
Terrible to hear the shit they put you through over there.
You understand my point.
All I was trying to say is prison time and a felony on your record to be damned to a metal grinder forever is not a favor I would ask upon anyone.
None of you other people will get it until you serve some real time. Then you will understand what type of "favor" you're asking a friend to do
 
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don't know u or your story other then reading between the lines. i'm glad you and your family found safe haven and avoided being imprisoned. hoping to see you around. 1 love....
 
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