the "avenue of the giants" will be BIG tourism like it used to be!
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ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
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the "avenue of the giants" will be BIG tourism like it used to be!
I hope they don't get screwed and life goes on. Like I said this is OK for me as a tourist and OK for most of my friends. I just feel that the heat is going to be turned up in CA by the DEA as well as the state.
We'll just have to see what happens and I really hope it works out great for everyone in CA and a domino effect does start changing things around the world.
No matter what if this thing passes things are going to be interesting.
i hope you are right about the feds.
we need a recreational 10th challenge at a scotus level.
As long as these anti people keep bringing up other things, i will repeat:
I am allowed to grow and smoke in my own home...i can live with that
i can only transport a oz at a time...ohhhh the horror, i cant travel with 10lbs in my car...geeez, life sucks doesnt it
people under 21 cant buy or sell..once again.geeez, life sucks at times dosent it
if you get pulled over with 1/4 lb or more than a oz in your car..tough shit, you knew the law.
anything wrong with my interpatation of the prop?
another thing, about the POOR no cal growers about to be screwed.. how is having more customers for your product a bad thing? and living in so cal for 40 years, there is thousands and thousands of rec users willing to drive to pick up our oz or grow it if you like
here's the issue I have with your thinking...
It should be my right to buy as much as I would like...why you might ask...well my wife and I are of the older generation and we don't get out much, however we do enjoy our sacred herb and can go thru 2 ounces a week easy...so my issue of buying only an ounce is horseshit in my opinion.
The ounce limit is to ensure the profit margin stays quite high...(they aint fucking stupid, they are in business for a reason)...now back to where I was going...I like to purchase a quantity so I can get a savings...now with prop19 if I wanna stay legal I can only get a ounce, however since I toke so much I should be allowed to be able to buy more then just a lonely ounce...I shouldn't have to worry about the cops pulling me over and taking my ass to the pokey because I have a QP on me...
yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what JJ is gonna say, "Well your not legal now", no shit my man...and I won't be legal if they pass this bill into law..as I will continue to do what I am doing...it is what it is, I'm an Outlaw and I always will be one...
Here is a good read I found if anyone care to take a gander...
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JackTheGrower
Yes.. Prop 19 only specifies two dimensions ( 5X5 or 25 sq ft. ) and it allows local government to regulate their areas. Since there is no third dimension and plants grow in 3 dimensions therefore local Government can rule that plants can't be higher than 1 foot tall.
I can research the wording if you like but so can you and you should.. Don't trust me trust yourself.
I don't get that one.
All "Official Agencies" Have to by Law state they are against any change to the law they currently defend. So too the President or any Candidate for office if they expect to be included in the "Current" power structure hence all Candidates are reflecting current State and Federal references.
No one in the current legal situation can say officially they support change.. LEAP is as close as our law enforcers get from what I understand.
I also at this time state we here have debated these things over and over again.
I welcome anyone who participated before to comment. I expect that those who Participated to speak up.
Perhaps I am alone..
Oh and I doubt seriously that the lifting of limits means that we cannot practice Proper Horticulture.
How can they stop freedom? The Limiting of Freedom with Cannabis happens if We Vote for it!
not quite how law works.
the omission is not an admission as the intent statement of this legislation frames it a a negative charter for government.
there is no stricter regulation than prohibition.
you have somehow been convinced that prohibition is a lack of regulation!!!!!!
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Are you telling me that when you go to visit some friends you need to carry more than an ounce? Hell I've been smoking for over 25 years and still don't need to carry more than half an ounce for a night out with a group of my very heavy smoking friends.
You're right, it should say a kilo so dealers can carry their stuff. Ganjal, there is a lot of politicking going on in the way prop 19 is written. If they wrote in ridiculously large grow sizes and weights this would be picked up on and attacked by its opponents (as it is this is happening and will continue to happen until the vote).
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its wording that tried to eliminates commercial sales by individuals. this is about taxes. Also, care to respond to any of dagnabit's other points?
is this not what i said, bad interpretation of the bill. JJ's puts it better than i could.
there seem to be 2 classes of prop 19 haters
1 is that it's not a great bill, doesn't do enough, and so on
i don't have a big issue with that, nearly any legislation suffers from that
then there's the 2nd camp that this is a step backwards
i don't want to stir the anger pot anymore than it has been already
and there is a small subclass(1- 20 year olds) for whom things don't improve
but other than that, it's the twilight zone, it's obvious no reasoning/discussion will sway them
they try to focus on some exaggerated outcomes in extreme cases, but are determined to ignore the overall likely outcomes for the vast majority of MJ users
1 is that it's not a great bill, doesn't do enough, and so on
i don't have a big issue with that, nearly any legislation suffers from that
then there's the 2nd camp that this is a step backwards
i don't want to stir the anger pot anymore than it has been already
and there is a small subclass(1- 20 year olds) for whom things don't improve
but other than that, it's the twilight zone, it's obvious no reasoning/discussion will sway them
they try to focus on some exaggerated outcomes in extreme cases, but are determined to ignore the overall likely outcomes for the vast majority of MJ users
You don't need baggies or a scale to sell a lb. to somebody.
If you want it for personal, you can take 1 oz with you... and then when that has been smoked, go back home get another ounce and head for the door!
It's really not that hard.
If you needed to bring more than an ounce... give an ounce to your friend, girlfriend, girlfriend's cousin, your 21 year old nephew, etc. That way your group can collectively walk down the street with 5 ounces. How high will you be on this little outing? Very fucking high.
Weed = 7/8ths of a rape wow that is a good deal, you are right everyone should lend their name to this legislation.
Look. You've said several times that the penalties for rape were less severe than penalties for weed under this bill.
I have just shown (with real facts) how that is simply not true. So instead of admitting you were wrong, you change tactics. Not very honest, is it?
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Jaywalking is illegal, but I've never heard of a single person being arrested for it.Weed = 7/8ths of a rape wow that is a good deal, you are right everyone should lend their name to this legislation.
IMO, these minor points that you're crying about will be treated the same as Jaywalking, illegal on the books, but almost never enforced.
This argument has reached the point of being rediculous. Now people are saying the Gov't will only allow a one foot plant. Just to clarify, there's nothing written on the height so it can be 6 inches or 6 feet.
It seems there are many people who want it to stay illegal so they can continue to profit from the sales. It doesn't matter to them that millions can legally grow and smoke their own Cannabis. I guess sefishness is the nature of this beast. You're more worried that Richard Lee might make some money than you are about the millions of other people that could finally have peace in their homes.
You've manipulated the med system for years and don't want to see your cash cow stopped. Even if it is at the expense of millions of other people. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
It seems there are many people who want it to stay illegal so they can continue to profit from the sales. It doesn't matter to them that millions can legally grow and smoke their own Cannabis. I guess sefishness is the nature of this beast. You're more worried that Richard Lee might make some money than you are about the millions of other people that could finally have peace in their homes.
You've manipulated the med system for years and don't want to see your cash cow stopped. Even if it is at the expense of millions of other people. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
That not the truth, as you say. There is nothing specified regarding heighth, so they can be 6 in or 6 foot. But keep spinning your bullshit. Making things up is not "educated".
When did "growers" start walking "hand in hand" with LEO?
You don't have a clue what this Bill could mean to everybody down the road. You're so caught up in the money being tossed in the med system it's all you know. Some of us have fought for decades to see people grow and smoke legally. And I highly doubt the people like you, more concerened with the amount you can grow, will stop this from happening....
When did "growers" start walking "hand in hand" with LEO?
You don't have a clue what this Bill could mean to everybody down the road. You're so caught up in the money being tossed in the med system it's all you know. Some of us have fought for decades to see people grow and smoke legally. And I highly doubt the people like you, more concerened with the amount you can grow, will stop this from happening....
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SpasticGramps said nearly everything I was going to comment on. Prop 19 is not perfect and anything that the govt. can tax, they will, and it will become all about the evil dollar. But it may pave the way towards real legalization and other states may follow the lead when they see the revenue it generates. For most of us it's all about personal consumption and removing the fear of being popped.
What I really need to know is why all of these people are siding with LEO on this Bill? LEO doesn't want this Bill passed because they want to keep Cannabis illegal so those smoking and possessing it will be criminals. There's a handful of people on this site who are arguing this same cause. Why is that?
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