ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[desertdweller]

LOL... yea lets see how that goes when an adult robs your house because he can't find a job because prop19 turned a simple infraction into 3-7 years when he was a kid...ahahahahaha.

and what does that have to do with what i wrote and the reasons you do no like this prop?
like i said before...only an oz at a time..i can live with that
under 21 cant smoke..i can live with that.. life sometimes sucks, get used to it
and if the anti people have run out of everything else, they come up with..lets do it for the kids...even though this only concerns people over 21 yrs of age

 

[JackTheGrower]

NOT A BILL!

And what can we grow in a 5x5x1?

 

[JJScorpio]

NOT A BILL!

And what can we grow in a 5x5x1?

Listen, we're done with the commercial crap.

 

[JJScorpio]

You still can... grow one plant or three even in your own home as long as you are not out and about who will care. Again this is not the case with what is happening to people who are being arrested in record numbers. They are out and about with more than an oz on their person which is not protected under prop 19.

So who really cares? They know the risk of selling.

And what does that have to do with this Bill? Nothing. You're rambling on about things that have no relation to this Bill. What is it your trying to say?

 

[GanjaAL]

It will not curb the incarceration of people for marijuana. legalization is not tax and regulate.

I do not mind paying a sales tax but to fill the coffers of the irresponsible and name it legalization is what I have a problem with.

 

[vta]

Tell me how prop19 will keep more people out of jail if prop19 will have no effect on the people being arrested now?

1st off...I'll type this big so you can comprehend It is a felony to grow cannabis. Now granted AFTER you get out of jail and go to court, you can get a program going and not have to do serious time. See...right there, someone went to jail.

19 allows people to grow and removes this 'Felony'.

Now...say you get caught with a 1/4. you get a 'notice to appear' ticket and a court date. So now you have to take off work to go to court, loss of wages. Then when you get there you plead "guilty" to the 'misdemeanor crime'. Your penalty is a minimum $100 and now you have this conviction on your permanent record, available for anyone to see including future employers. Sounds cool huh! As a bonus you will NOT be able to get Federal assistance for school or for a home etc...

So..no prob, you think that whole system is A OK. That's cool! I know have a deeper understanding for you.

but before you jump in victory...please take into account one very small detail. That is recidivism. You see...your not thinking ahead...that whole $100 thingy is your mulligan to try and conform to societies standards. But we all know that were still gonna smoke. So the next time you get caught, ticketed, day off work, court...all of a sudden now you have priors. Now it's not a $100. Most likely probation with piss tests. Fail one of those, straight to jail, right then! Do it 3, or 4 times...you getting the picture yet????

We have different views of reality. My reality is one where the cops smell pot and then take it upon themselves to try and fuck up that persons life anyway they can. You might not go to jail for less than an ounce now but its a misdemeanor conviction on your permanent record and you better watch your ass after that or your in The System.

 

[Kwazee Wabbit]

With 19 voted in this November, Cali will become the #1 tourist destination in the western hemisphere. Politicians and labor unions should be ecstatic about the influx of money and jobs that will follow. If the city and towns play their cards right, this could be the biggest "gold rush" California has ever seen. The wise commercial grower should know the potential fortunes that could await. The only big losers from 19 will be LEO, trial lawyers and prison guards. Now, I wonder if any of the pro-no debators fall into one of those categories?

 

[SpasticGramps]

As much as I hate the establishment I would like to see this passed. It's not perfect. Nothing ever is especially with how corrupt things are now, but it's a step in the right direction IMO. Hopefully in time things will change. One thing is for sure. Legalization will always equal taxation. It's that way with every other commodity out there. Cannabis will be no different. I hate the prospect of government regulations too and believe the market should regulate the product with an informed public, but these fuckers aren't going to let that happen anytime soon in my estimate.

Legalization in Cali would kick off the states revolting against the tyranny of the federal government's Drug War and in essence kicking off the collapse of our political system. The states are beginning to legally revolt against the federal government.

People need to be allowed to consume cannabis without any fear of reprisal. Humanity needs to be exposed to our great plant on a massive scale because it's going down the tubes at the moment.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

OK well try reading this from NORMAL it is a broken down laymans terms of prop 19
http://blog.norml.org/2010/07/19/californias-prop-19-a-word-for-word-analysis/
it tells you if you grow it from your area then you can have it in your house. You can only have on your person outside of your house certain amounts. I like how it is broken down so that I understand it. Sorry but I am on the East Coast and I will not be able to vote over there. If they find you with a empty bag that smells of cannabis you can get a paraphaniala (sp) charge. Papers will get you too so. Your vote will have repercussions here.
I am not going to get a med card here in the near future. (non med state) If it does make it legal here I will quit the job I have (whiz quiz required by DOT ) and get one that I am able to partake in the smokage of my garden that I can legally grow. Untill that happens I will try to get my Organic Fertilizer Production facility (worm farm) running full time.
make your vote count if not for it then at least not against it.
If this doesnt pass then there may not be someone to fork out millions of $$$ for this to get into the 2012 vote. Well there is my 2 cents like it or not
Thank you for reading it take care and be safe.

This has been posted several times... the people against it don't care, they'd rather interpret it in a way so that it fits into their delusions.

 

[Guest 88950]

...Its really easy to grow in California right now, legally under state law. So its not like no one can grow. Everyone over the age of 18 (not 21 like with prop19 for recreational) can grow cannabis, usually the same day they decide they want to.

share some of your insight on how prop19 will take away ones right to get a medical rec before they reach 21.

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

so now you're telling me prop 19 will make growing for profit even MORE of a risk - so wouldn't that raise the price? even more reason to vote yes for you naysayers

 

[Guest 88950]

...People aren't getting busted for things that prop19 takes care of. There may be a story or two, but beyond that it just doesn't happen.

so if people are being left alone even though they are breaking the law right now then WHY would there all of a sudden be a spike in arrests regarding prop19?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Listen, we're done with the commercial crap.

I have no idea what you mean by "Commercial Crap."

This Initiative allows local Government to set height restrictions. Therefore it can specify 1 foot tall.

That the truth.


The biggest problem for Prop 19 is that this Initiative has Pro-Cannabis people against it.

I assure you that I wouldn't have a harsh word to say about an Initiative that protected We the people.

When I speak about Horticulture i speak of a right Americans value to cultivate plants. That includes breeding them. Proper breeding includes growing out many plants to find the ones to selectively breed with. It's a simple fact we all know.
Horticulture is not the Domain of Business alone it includes the average citizen.
This Initiative specifically excludes the People from Horticulture rights.

I can understand why Democrats are against it as well as average citizens.

I may have missed your previous replies but we had a Web site down time. and I am not up on previous replies.


So don't mistake my message for "Commercial Crap." Please. I'm suggesting the average person needs to be allowed to practice proper horticulture of Cannabis. That in itself is anti-Commercial Crap.

So, I offer a mature and educated opinion on this Initiative. That is all.. It's in the hands of voters and it looks really even at best.

 

[Guest 88950]

...It looks like Prop 19 will benefit only smokers who don't grow and growers who use 25sq' or less...

exactly, and prop215 benefits medical patients.

are you left out and if so explain.

 

[Hydrosun]

The oh yeah part the lucky blessed few with political pull that get to be millionaires on the backs of the lucky stoners.

I am not left out because I only visit CA and don't grow there, but those CA growers who have been in this game for decades are about to get screwed hard by the gvt.

 

[dagnabit]

This Initiative allows local Government to set height restrictions. Therefore it can specify 1 foot tall.

can you show me this language?

The biggest problem for Prop 19 is that this Initiative has Pro-Cannabis people against it.

so the fact that the dea fbi atf chp ondcp ect ect ect are against it is the biggest reason you support it?



as far as breeding and growing out hundreds...

thats legal now without a med rec?

 

[dagnabit]

The oh yeah part the lucky blessed few with political pull that get to be millionaires on the backs of the lucky stoners.

I am not left out because I only visit CA and don't grow there, but those CA growers who have been in this game for decades are about to get screwed hard by the gvt.

they are?

they will just keep doing exactly what they have been doing.
if prop 19 passes why would those CA growers who have been in this game for decades change a damn thing?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

The biggest problem for Prop 19 is that this Initiative has Pro-Cannabis people against it.

Maybe they are not Pro-Cannabis as much as Pro-profits from Cannabis?

-SamS

 

[desertdweller]

As long as these anti people keep bringing up other things, i will repeat:
I am allowed to grow and smoke in my own home...i can live with that
i can only transport a oz at a time...ohhhh the horror, i cant travel with 10lbs in my car...geeez, life sucks doesnt it
people under 21 cant buy or sell..once again.geeez, life sucks at times dosent it
if you get pulled over with 1/4 lb or more than a oz in your car..tough shit, you knew the law.
anything wrong with my interpatation of the prop?
another thing, about the POOR no cal growers about to be screwed.. how is having more customers for your product a bad thing? and living in so cal for 40 years, there is thousands and thousands of rec users willing to drive to pick up our oz or grow it if you like

 

[Guest 88950]

...I am not left out because I only visit CA and don't grow there...

you are left out. if you visit cali and poss/smoke Cannabis then you are breaking the law.

if prop19 passes then you would not be breaking any laws.

the nor cal people will be banking b/c most of the canna tourism will go to the Emerald Triangle to visit coffee shops and stay at a bud-n-breakfast.