You directed this at me previously, and I asked you to reference what you were talking about. You mentioned 7 years last time, and like I said before, the only place that 7 years is mentioned is in the already existing law.
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ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
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You directed this at me previously, and I asked you to reference what you were talking about. You mentioned 7 years last time, and like I said before, the only place that 7 years is mentioned is in the already existing law.
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I mostly agree with you and he seems to have an abrasive personality, just seems like part of his nature. This all especially so considering we're all facing such a rattling and controversial subject at hand. Admittedly so I've been pretty harsh at points but then so have you and others. I'm not sure why we're so cold to each other but it is pretty disturbing.
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Your language and argument style is offensive and a violation of the terms of use of this sight. It is very nice of you to tell a moderator to "Now fuck off."
You sir are doing more to recruit NO votes than any amount of logic could achieve.
I am not afraid of competition I am afraid of weak remembers of this community like you that would sell others out and place them in prison so that a smoker can buy an OZ from one of the Government approved vendors.
Also nice hating on Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, these long dead freedom fighters are resting much better knowing you are not their legacy.
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so you dont educate yourself and form your own opinions on how to vote. you had to wait till credible members backed it and then you felt comfortable saying you are now voting yes.
thank you T Hill, Humbolt Local, Nomaad
i just wish people could make up their own mind based on their own research.
...commercial growers, and anybody that wants to grow and smoke their own is more than welcome to.
So legalizing possession and cultivation is the same as prohibition? Stop with these dumbass arguments.
I'm saying that rapists will still be settling less time then non violent "drug criminals". I want these "drug criminals" to get punishments less then rapists, manslaughterists.
Our federal government is not a democratic repbulic. We are a constitutional republic. Very very different.
Democratic republicans used to be a single party, now they are split into democrats and republicans. Thats why I think the whole two party system is a joke. Divided and conquered.
Aren't we voting on the prohibition of recreational sales/consumption in Californa right now? A direct vote by the people?
Because if you abide by the rules you won't be arrested. And as for the other, this bill isn't about commercial growing. It's about letting millions of people grow their own Cannabis and smoke it without fear of arrest and everything else that goes with it. Thats why....
Your language and argument style is offensive and a violation of the terms of use of this sight. It is very nice of you to tell a moderator to "Now fuck off."
You sir are doing more to recruit NO votes than any amount of logic could achieve.
I am not afraid of competition I am afraid of weak remembers of this community like you that would sell others out and place them in prison so that a smoker can buy an OZ from one of the Government approved vendors.
Also nice hating on Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, these long dead freedom fighters are resting much better knowing you are not their legacy.
Thank you,
Hydro you are a clown. We all know it. You misrepresent quotes from founding fathers, misrepresent this prop to make it seem like more people would be arrested (which you know is bullshit). I'm not selling anyone out. You are selling your people out by letting mj smokers continue getting harassed under current policy.
Since you have no argument against 19 I guess it's time to attack my character. Sorry young son, I'm just telling it as it is, I'm for the people, and we the people want it legalized.
Even if it is existing law, you support it? We are changing the laws around cannabis, I think this is a good time to take care of the substantial things like cruel and unusual punishment of non violent "drug criminals".
Give a 17 year old a joint to smoke, you can go to prison for several years.
Rape his sister and you could probably be out the next day if not several months. Sound fair? Then vote yes
You're focusing a lot on rapists and manslaughter, yet avoiding my questions.
What? How is any of this relevant?
Yeah... like I said, this is one of the few forms of direct democracy, and is something that only happens in half of the 50 states in this country. You're voting for something at a state level, and what you're voting for gives regulatory powers to the local level, where you can have a huge impact if you participate.
I've said time and time again that I don't support it, but I can look at the big picture, which you seem to have trouble doing. Using existing laws as an argument for prolonging prohibition is stupid.
Give a 17 year old a joint to smoke, you can go to prison for several years.
Rape his sister and you could probably be out the next day if not several months. Sound fair? Then vote yes
Except for (a) and (b) are already law, and voting no on 19 is going to do absolutely nothing to change that. If you had spent 10 minutes reading NORML's word by word breakdown you'd know that, but you're too focused on rape and manslaughter to realize that.
I'm going kayaking, I'll be back later to see what new conspiracy theories are being used to convince people to vote no.
Stick to the topic of the thread or move along. OK? This doesn't have anything to do with Rape or anything else. Go lobby for longer rape sentences if you like, but you already know that in Cali if you forcibly rape a person you are going to spend the most part of your life in prison....
Even if it is existing law, you support it? We are changing the laws around cannabis, I think this is a good time to take care of the substantial things like cruel and unusual punishment of non violent "drug criminals".
Give a 17 year old a joint to smoke, you can go to prison for several years.
Rape his sister and you could probably be out the next day if not several months. Sound fair? Then vote yes
Prop19 is SUPPOSED TO CHANGE EXISTING LAW. Do I need to explain the purpose of a prop to you?
If it doesn't change some things, and you support and vote yes, YOU SUPPORT THOSE CHANGES. I'm not going to leave people behind, just so you can have a vacation to California and smoke bud legally in the next year as opposed to the next couple/several years.
BS, The 25sq' is in there to ENSURE that not many people grow and the results of their harvests are minimal. If this law wanted to breed breeders or cultivate cultivators or grow growers there would not be an unreasonable space limitation and that unreasonably small garden would not be limited to one per property.
If the bill really wanted to codify Californians' right to grow it would say so and that would be that.
This Prop seeks to further criminalize growers or shove them into a little box.
This prop is about scalping millions of people for as much money as possible PERIOD.
Listen, this Bills going to pass. Instead of sitting here worrying why not use this time to look at other ways to make money commercially.
There are millions and millions of people who will be more than happy with what's being offered. Not everyone's worried about growing and selling. Anyone with even the basic knowlege of growing can supply themselves and more with 25 sq foot. I did it for years....
There are millions and millions of people who will be more than happy with what's being offered. Not everyone's worried about growing and selling. Anyone with even the basic knowlege of growing can supply themselves and more with 25 sq foot. I did it for years....
I'll have to ask you, respectfully, how the concept of cruel and unusal punishment for cannabis consumers is off topic, when the topic is the regulation of cannabis consumption?
I'm not talking about rape, just using an outside example to compare, put in perspective, how prop19 does not save people from cruel and unusual punishment.
Clearer to people with all the truth, regardless of its contents? Or just the ones that would urge others to vote a certain way.
With that said, if you still think I was off topic, then let me know and I'll stop talking about the regulation of cannabis act 2010.. I'll try and figure out what the topic is on.
Look guys there's a big fat green and fluffy snowball trucking down the mountain like never before. Please don't be the ones to slow it down only for the sake of paranoid nitpicking.
The bottom line is that this prop sends a message that the public wants cannabis mainstream, more so than ever, and that's a very good thing.
I don't care if big biz hops right on in. I'll smoke the best I can get/produce and where that comes from I don't much care. Big biz is into tomatoes, but I get those from the little guy or grow my own, same thing.
When/if this thing passes, and the sky doesn't fall down and crush mankind because of it, the general public will KNOW that this whole prohibition thing from A to Z was all just a load of crap. THIS is why voting YES on this thing (and all others like it) is so very important. This is the big picture from the window in the sky as I see it, and exactly what we should all be focusing in on imo. Tom
The bottom line is that this prop sends a message that the public wants cannabis mainstream, more so than ever, and that's a very good thing.
I don't care if big biz hops right on in. I'll smoke the best I can get/produce and where that comes from I don't much care. Big biz is into tomatoes, but I get those from the little guy or grow my own, same thing.
When/if this thing passes, and the sky doesn't fall down and crush mankind because of it, the general public will KNOW that this whole prohibition thing from A to Z was all just a load of crap. THIS is why voting YES on this thing (and all others like it) is so very important. This is the big picture from the window in the sky as I see it, and exactly what we should all be focusing in on imo. Tom
CrumpleZone
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Police and Cash Croppers Agree!
Police and Cash Croppers Agree!
They both want control.
What a surprise. The two groups with the most to lose over legalization. It's interesting watching the cops and the criminals in bed together here, fighting for their lives.
Guess whose interests are being ignored... the little guy. It's all about money. Whether your the big bad government or the opressed grower/dealer. I say fuck both the government AND the cash croppers. Neither has my best interests at heart on this issue.
LEGALIZE IT!
Police and Cash Croppers Agree!
They both want control.
What a surprise. The two groups with the most to lose over legalization. It's interesting watching the cops and the criminals in bed together here, fighting for their lives.
Guess whose interests are being ignored... the little guy. It's all about money. Whether your the big bad government or the opressed grower/dealer. I say fuck both the government AND the cash croppers. Neither has my best interests at heart on this issue.
LEGALIZE IT!
The fact that Prop 19 creates criminal penalties for growing weed that are harsher than the penalties aggravated rapists receive is directly on point.
Why should he go lobby for longer rape sentences when what he wants is to persuade this community that APPROVING excessive criminal penalties for cultivation is IMMORAL.
Why would any ICmager vote for a law that would imprison a grower for 7 years? Why would an ICmager want a grower in prison for longer than a rapists?
You claim that the NEW IMPRISONMENT of growers that you support is less prison time than a rapists receives, yet you don't sight any information that would demonstrate rapists receive longer sentences than the 7 years imposed under this Prop.
A yes votes sanctions the imprisonment of growers it is very disheartening that ICmag would ever lend its name to a bill that would imprison its own members.
I agree that commercials growers shouldn't worry, legalization on any level would be awesome if I was a commercial grower. Premium products carry a premium price.
Although I can grow what I need in a 25sqft area, I have friends that cannot and dont have the time to devote to a garden.
Also, I dont believe anyone should be able to tell me what I do in my house. Who has the nerve to tell me what to do in my house?
T&RC2010 does, and many here on ICMag agree that they can stick their finger in my house and tell me/the state what to do. Refer to my second sig line.
absolutely incorrect!
prop 19 is intended to limit enforcement and application of existing law.
and btw 19 actually references p.c. 272a1 by saying 272a1 is unaffected.
so passing a joint to your highschool friends remains the same crime with the same penalty.
please stop lying?
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