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[Baba Ku]

I would probably get ousted from this site if I were to explain the problems you folks have, and then to go on to tell you just exactly what I think you are all about.
So I won't go into detail. But basically, you that are laying the racist charge against the TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already...for any dipshits that have no idea what the TEA stands for) are simply playing a dangerous game which does nothing but perpetuate racial tensions in the Nation and the World. You people suck. It is just that simple.

Your showing of the signs is a laughable thing too. Hell, there was a newscast on TV keying in on a TEA party participant that has some uncle tom bullshit and some other racial slurs on a shirt and some signs. He also had some real nasty racist things to say too. Thing is, when the news crew followed this goon, they found out that he was actually one of the operatives of the opposition, who had set up camp just across from the TEA party rally. Liberal progressives that hate conservatives so much they need to make up shit and send out actors to give folks like YOU something to say "see, they are a racist group and here is the proof" as you post up a picture of your brother in arms.
And you know what we call people like that?
Wait, I think I will just let this go now. I am dealing with the immature and ignorant here, and it is really sad.

LOL...some other newscast was trying to portray the TEA party folks as gun toting racists. And to prove the point, they were filming the back of a guy that came to the rally with a rifle strapped to his shoulder. It was a very intimidating shot of the gun carrying lunatic. Thing is, another news org. was there at the same time, and when they showed the same guy, it turned out he was a black man. A TEA Party participant that was black and also carrying a gun...and also had signs backing his stance as a gun owner who had rights. It showed exactly what that first news crew was all about, as they never let the shot even show the color of the guys skin, that would have been way outside of the box of what they were trying to make people believe. So, the truth is excluded.
Very similar to the dangerous game some of you lousy fucks play. It is despicable, and is very very bad karma. I can only hope the the karma you give out comes back to choke your fucking air off or whatever else sort of fate you would highly deserve.

It is no wonder the race thing doesn't heal with folks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and some of you people in this thread hanging around. These folks are a disgrace to humanity.
The true racists.

 

[Babbabud]

Talks cheap. I see Herb put up some proof of what he was talking about.

 

[BigBudBill]

Talks cheap. I see Herb put up some proof of what he was talking about.

He can't. He is attempting to present the idea that the dems planted racist actors at the Tea Party and that there was once a black person there to explain away all racist charges against the party. Must suck to have to attempt to defend THAT.

 

[Smoke Buddy]

The idea that the entire tea party movement is racist is laugable. These signs shown here are not racist in the least. comparing politicians to hitler is insulting to whoever is being compared but certainly not racist... the what you talkin bout willis is not racist either. Sorry PC police you cannot claim any reference to a black person in regards to Obama is racism... thats silly and over the top. I like willis I dont see willis as an icon for rasict hatred at all more the subject of a catchy quip. The sign makes sense. anyhow the anti-tea party folks seem to be putting themselves on a side against freedom liberty and rule of law as described in our controlling document, the constitution. Saying the tea party is racist is foolish. Calling tea party folks teabaggers is elemetary humor for punks and haters in my opinion. When our president used that derogative term in a news conference I was astonished and all it did was confrirm this president is the most partisan mocking punk ever to grace the white house.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Thank You!

Thank You!

Talks cheap. I see Herb put up some proof of what he was talking about.

The supermod comes in with a little reality. This babakooch is such a douchebag that he can't even admit reality. I'm sure all those white racist protesters were really planted there by liberals. What a JOKE this guy babakooch is.

No one claims that the tea part is based on racism, or that every member is racist. But the facts are plain and simple. This movement is predominately white people, more so than just about any other movement. And the "willis" thing is generally accepted as racist, sorry but you do not get to decide what is offensive and what is not.

And to clarify: I said I would tea-bag all tea party members, not that they are tea-baggers.

 

[BigBudBill]

Saying that racists arent using the Tea Party as cover (much like the O.G. Boston T.P. used Mohican disguises as cover) is foolish. Nobody ever suggested every member of that "party" is racist. But to deny that those pictures are as close to toeing the racist line as possible is to stick your head in the sand. If the Tea Party would like to repair its image in order to gain momentum, it will start by getting the hell away from that racist line. As attractive as the party is to me, those signs, whether blatantly racist or clever toeing the line, turn me off from the party. I dont need the party. What would it do for me? It would associate me with people SOME may consider racist at the moment. I dont need all that in my life.

I would bet I am not the only one. Libertarian yes, Tea Party...not so much, eh?

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Saying that racists arent using the Tea Party as cover (much like the O.G. Boston T.P. used Mohican disguises as cover) is foolish. Nobody ever suggested every member of that "party" is racist. But to deny that those pictures are as close to toeing the racist line as possible is to stick your head in the sand. If the Tea Party would like to repair its image in order to gain momentum, it will start by getting the hell away from that racist line. As attractive as the party is to me, those signs, whether blatantly racist or clever toeing the line, turn me off from the party. I dont need the party. What would it do for me? It would associate me with people SOME may consider racist at the moment. I dont need all that in my life.

I would bet I am not the only one. Libertarian yes, Tea Party...not so much, eh?

Exactly my point. To say those signs are not borderline racist, if not outright, is simple false. The tea party has been co-opted by racists and other bigots, whether you like it or not. And Monica Crowley cements the racist and bigoted aspects of the tea party. What about the "niggar" poster, that is totally off limits and RACIST.

BUT Palin for President 2012, it's Obama's best chance!

 

[localhero]

i remember everyone calling them tea baggers in the beginning.

obama is not the most partisan president of all time. nor the most liberal, or the most communist (lol) in fact, how do people even come up with that? obamas an idiot for trying and thinking the reps would work with him on anything. republicans have one focus, and it isnt our country. its removing the democrats from power. whatever. both parties are the same to me, republicans are just more organized. and to anyone who doesn't think there's racism in the tea party movement... OK

someone a while back in here was saying they hoped the tea party would take away votes from the republicans. they are republicans. this isnt like the green party and the dems. the tea party, "conservative revolution" (again) used its membership to pull the repubs to the right. rather than the green party which weakenes the dems and removed leftist ideals from the dem party base. thats what i mean by saying republicans are better organized, the tea party party movement was a genius ploy to get their people focused, excited and refreshed after a crushing defeat in 2008.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

i remember everyone calling them tea baggers in the beginning.

obama is not the most partisan president of all time. nor the most liberal, or the most communist (lol) in fact, how do people even come up with that? obamas an idiot for trying and thinking the reps would work with him on anything. republicans have one focus, and it isnt our country. its removing the democrats from power. whatever. both parties are the same to me, republicans are just more organized. and to anyone who doesn't think there's racism in the tea party movement... OK

LOL, Obama wasted two years trying to work across the aisle, now the next two years will be fruitless as the gov't is split. Yay politics!

someone a while back in here was saying they hoped the tea party would take away votes from the republicans. they are republicans. this isnt like the green party and the dems. the tea party, "conservative revolution" (again) used its membership to pull the repubs to the right. rather than the green party which weakenes the dems and removed leftist ideals from the dem party base. thats what i mean by saying republicans are better organized, the tea party party movement was a genius ploy to get their people focused, excited and refreshed after a crushing defeat in 2008.

That was me. Palin for President 2012, that will ensure Obama another 4 years to fuck shit up .

 

[JJScorpio]

OK folks. Lets back off the politics.....

 

[localhero]

hahaha yeah palin for pres would be a huge brain fart for the right. I know the tea party's number one fan. this guy loves palin, has multiple copies of her book and would take a bullet for her. he also thinks palin would be a bad idea for pres.

how do you quit your job as governor and then think you can run for the highest office? that would be hilarious.

palin the quitter 2012

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

OK folks. Lets back off the politics.....

Sorry JJ, Back to prop 19.

Trying to glean lessons from the ashes of Proposition 19, the measure that would have legalized marijuana for casual use in California, is tough.

California's premier pot-growing region rejected it, the tiniest county in the state embraced it, and overall the idea got more votes than any other attempt to legalize recreational marijuana use in U.S. history.

Proponents are taking this to mean they just have to wait until 2012, when young voters - who polls show are much more likely than their elders to favor legalization - are likely to turn out in greater force for a presidential election.

Opponents take the opposite tack, saying the electorate just cannot warm up to the idea of sanctioning recreational dope-smoking.

None of the main arguments against Prop. 19 will change by 2012, they point out - legalizing marijuana could lead to more people coming to work or driving stoned, and pot will still be illegal under federal law.

A determination of who is right will probably have to wait until the next ballot box fight.

A strike by feds:

Many agreed that one of the stiffest blows to Prop. 19 was U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement Oct. 14 that if Californians passed the measure, he would still "vigorously enforce" the federal ban on possessing, growing or selling the drug.

Shortly afterward, the Field Poll and several other surveys that once had Prop. 19 leading showed that the initiative had done an about-face. By election day, the Field Poll had the measure down by seven points - almost exactly the eventual margin of defeat.

Varying claims that Prop. 19 would bring billions of dollars into local governments by allowing them to regulate and tax the drug, or would just create a mishmash of confusing rules up and down the state, confused voters, some analysts said.

Then there was Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Sept. 30 signing of a law classifying possession of an ounce of pot as a $100 infraction instead of a misdemeanor. Prop. 19 opponents said the new law made the measure all but moot. Proponents said it didn't go far enough.

'It became less sexy':

"There were a lot of people who sort of supported it but weren't sure about the measure because it was an experimental thing, but once it became more complicated it became less sexy," said UC Davis law Professor Vikram Amar, an expert on marijuana policy. "And when an initiative is close on the margin like this was, 50-50 or so, it doesn't take much to swing it one way or another."

In the end, the measure was rejected even in the Emerald Triangle of Mendocino, Trinity and Humboldt counties, where pot is the biggest economic engine.

Growers' price worries"

The common wisdom early was that the many marijuana farmers would embrace the initiative. But as the campaign progressed, it became clear that while some thought there was money to be made by marketing the region as the Napa Valley of pot, many thought legalization would drop marijuana's price so much they'd lose income.

No such fears prevailed in Alpine County, the smallest county in the state, where Prop. 19 passed handily with the fiercely independent mountain electorate. The measure also got a big thumbs-up in San Francisco, which with a 65 percent "yes" vote gave Prop. 19 its biggest victory margin in California.

Opponents' strategy

"They certainly got schooled a little bit here," No on 19 campaign strategist Wayne Johnson said of his opponents.

Johnson said his side had determined early that "reefer madness" arguments that pot was a gateway drug to hard narcotics would be a nonstarter. So opponents concentrated on what they thought were the confusing elements of allowing scores of local jurisdictions to regulate pot as they pleased - and of the uncertainty over how much money Prop. 19 would raise.

"It helped that virtually every newspaper editorial board in the state agreed with us," Johnson said. Holder's pronouncement, he added, "seemed to be the last nail of the coffin."

Prop. 19 proponents had a different interpretation.

"Anyone who changed their voted based on the federal government saying they remain opposed to legalized marijuana - I don't buy it. I mean, was that news?" said Stephen Guttwillig, California director of the Drug Policy Alliance, one of the main backers of the measure.

He and initiative author Richard Lee, founder of Oaksterdam University, the pot-trade school in Oakland, said that even though Prop. 19 lost, the campaign advanced the public's knowledge and acceptance of legalization.

They noted that the 46 percent "yes" vote for Prop. 19 was the highest ever for any general pot legalization proposal in the country.

Greater acceptance:

The last time Californians voted on the idea, with the coincidentally named Proposition 19 in 1972, the "yes" vote was just 33.5 percent.

Polls in recent years have consistently shown voters younger than 30 overwhelmingly approving of pot legalization. A Newsweek/Princeton Survey poll released Oct. 22 put that support nationally at 70 percent - compared with overall support among all age groups at 45 percent.

"The ingredients are already in place for legalization, which is what makes a lot of people think we should get right back on the horse and aim for 2012," Guttwillig said.

Other states receptive:

Guttwillig said voters also should expect similar efforts in other Western states where legalization sentiment is strong, including Washington, Oregon, Alaska, Nevada and Colorado.

Whether that means a duplicate of Prop. 19 will be on the ballots remains to be seen, he said.

"We don't know yet if anything specific to Prop. 19 was problematic," Guttwillig said. "The target may move all by itself in the planning process. We'll just have to see what we come up with."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/07/BA4C1G7FLN.DTL#ixzz14nujNOpe

Link here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/07/BA4C1G7FLN.DTL

 

[Veet]

I saw an interesting video on the History Channel last Wednesday ( 11/3 ). It was titled “Marijuana: A Chronic History”. I thought it was very interesting and informative.

It is scheduled on the History Channel again:

Sun. 11/4, 5:00 pm through 7:00 pm EST




Here is an advertisement for the 11/3 broadcast:
Marijuana: A Chronic History

[FONT=&quot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikl0Bc7lQxA[/FONT]

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

I saw an interesting video on the History Channel last Wednesday ( 11/3 ). It was titled “Marijuana: A Chronic History”. I thought it was very interesting and informative.

It is scheduled on the History Channel again:

Sun. 11/4, 5:00 pm through 7:00 pm EST




Here is an advertisement for the 11/3 broadcast:
Marijuana: A Chronic History

[FONT=&quot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikl0Bc7lQxA[/FONT]

Saw that too, they needed our bud porn, but other than that it was good.

 

[KharmaGirl]

Thread on that here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=193709

 

[binaryfission]

its sad how out of touch some of you guys are. Opinions are opinions but you can't make up your own facts.

The past 20 or so posts are the evidence for our crumbling society.
We aren't educated on the issues, as a whole.
The ones that are are few and usually fairly polarized to one side or the other.
The dialogue quickly turns to Bigotry, a la BabaKuKu's response to BHT personal anecdotes.
Factual evidence is dismissed because the listener's favorite demagogue didn't say it.
And people suck at reading.

I mean really. reading comprehension is a dieing art.

Tea Party didn't start as a racist organization. It became one because of outside political influence and money, Dick Armey; Freedomworks; click the picture above.
The founders had a chance to denounce this or refuse the money but they got corrupted. They could have done what they ask Muslim Moderates to do: Speak out Against Extremism.

When you realize that 50% of the nation votes. And you only need 50%, sometimes less, of those folks to vote for you in order to win. Half of those folks will vote for you becasue of the big letter following your name (R or D). So now you realize it takes having/paying/convincing 1/8 of eligible voters, in order to win.

In most places, i.e. all the small races we don't hear about or go to; the local stuff, that means you need less than 100,000 people to vote for you in order to win. And that assuming High voter turnout. Low Voter turnout, as in a runoff like Houston's mayoral election, was decided by less than 150,000 voters. In a city of some 4 million, only 16.4 percent of eligible voters actually voted. Only 80k voted for Anise Parker.
Voter Apathy is our problem.

last political post sorry.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Looks like this thread is going south to me....

It was about Prop 19....which failed for whatever reasons..

Now we have members dissecting the reasons why it failed and arguing about American politics to the point where they are insulting each other over who they do or don't support......so it's starting to look like any other political thread that ends up in a slanging match......and is a good example of why we don't have a political forum on ICM.....for anyone that shouts 'free speech!' at the Mods/Admins here....

I will let this thread continue for a bit and see if any of you that are interested in it and post here can bring it back around to a civil debate about the failed Prop 19 and not go off on flaming tangents concerning American politics .....

 

[opt1c]

look at it this way; with all the bullshit surrounding prop 19 it almost passed

just wait till they get a better bill for 2012 and its on

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

They need to dumb down the language of the next proposition so that people either understand it easier or have a harder time misrepresenting it.

 

[Veet]

I found this article on the NORMAL site. I didn’t include all the text or graphics because of the size. I hope the 10 lessons learned is enough to peak your interest so that you follow the link and read the whole article.


NORNAL BLOG

http://blog.norml.org/2010/11/08/10-lessons-learned-from-marijuana-election-defeats/

10 Lessons Learned from Marijuana Election Defeats
November 8th, 2010 By: Russ Belville, NORML Outreach Coordinator

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1. We must explicitly protect medical marijuana rights.

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2. We must remember that people 18-25 are our biggest group of stakeholders and we cannot over-penalize them to appease our opponents.

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3. We must find a way to integrate the current illegal growers into a new legalized market.

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4. We cannot win until people are more scared of prohibition than they are of legalization.

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5. We must stop painting the marijuana as a bad thing that needs to be controlled.

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6. We must be realistic about what legalization can and cannot accomplish.

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7. Legalize first, then deal with the drug testing issue.

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8. You can’t “treat it like alcohol” unless you can test for it like alcohol on the roadside.

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9. Commercialization must be handled with consistent statewide regulation.

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10. Medical marijuana has reached its peak and is now inextricably linked to legalization.

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