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Ice-tube cloner from WallyWorld

I tried this for seeds (with a small amount of pearlite) 60% of the seeds had cracked in water before being placed in the mix, then sprayed down with water. I only had 3% pop the surface. I feel pretty safe in saying that it's done as it has been 9 days. Back to popping seeds in pro mix for me. But, I will continue to clone in this unit.
 
M

mrred

what about people who work indoors like a bakery? gotta have ice for that
 
overmyhead-You said small amounts of perlite was the rest vermiculite?
yes, and it was a very small amount of perlite - maybe 10%. It could have been the seeds - like I said, the "store bought" seeds made it. The found ones of unknown age didn't. But, many of them had already popped when soaked in water. I actually gave up on them last night and dumped all the ones that didn't break the surface. Lots of them were rotten. I'm a little mad at myself for putting all my eggs in one basket so to speak but it made sense at the time. I think that for seeds I'll stick with rapid rooters but this is great for clones - no doubt.
 

vicious bee

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I just tonight put about 20 seeds in some water. Bag seed and Diesel Ryder. I put the cups in the heated water with the cloner. I'm going to run a test with various amounts of vermiculite and perlite. Also I'm maybe going to run a test with NAPA auto parts sweeping compound which is what I use in my Hempy buckets. See what happens. Maybe I'll put a few in dirt just for comparison.
 
Cool, yeah I've still got some of those bag seeds and I'm going to try them in dirt in a little while but I figured that I'd just stick with clones for right now. I'll definitely be looking for that.
 

AKDrifter

Member
Very cool.

I like the simple compact design, and it looks like the process of cloning could not be any simpler than this rig.

Thanks for the post. If anyone has trouble finding one you can order right from REI.com, three days to the door. I just made mine tonight.

Thank you!!
 

Budley Doright

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Welcome akdrifter....

Im glad to see we have a quite a few people who like the cloner....

I thought I might add some info what I do when Im cloning a seed plant....


I suppose because the cloner is 9 x 3 cells...


I can take clones from 9 plants 3 of each.....


I have used up to 4 of the cloners....and 36 seed girlies....


Most of the clones go in the shitter....


But the cloner lends itself to good management of original plants and their clones....


Not all cloning systems are this easy.....

The four cloners are A B C D

Each group of 3 is 1 - 9


Under my system then....plant 11 would be in B-2
 

vicious bee

Member
Thanks to Burnt Rope for this excellent idea.
Here's a picture of some seeds. The cloner or seed popper is in a plastic shoe box propped up on two plastic bottles. The bottles raise the height so that my aquarium heater will be submerged. The temps about 83 Deg F. In 1-4 is vermiculite. The ones in 11,12,13,20,21,22 have 1/2 vermiculite and 1/2 NAPA(the auto parts store) sweeping compound made of fired diamotacious earth. From 6-9,14-18, and 24-28 is just NAPA alone. You can see the difference. The ones that look like small pebbles are the NAPA. They all seem to be doing good. Some of the NAPA only were planted later with no soaking. I just put the seed in. It's hard to say which is best. Maybe the NAPA perlite mix or the straight NAPA. Some of the straight vermiculite are doing fine. I'm not able to draw any definite conclusions. Have to do more testing. If I had to pick one I would pick the NAPA vermiculite mix.
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I also have another one that has clones in it. I couldn't get the numbers to stay so I used a soldering iron to melt in my numbers and then drew them in with a sharpy. Maybe they will not wash off.
 
took 10 days for 1st cutting to root,.yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha...one question i have 4 burnone,why does water keep turnin green? its no biggie but had to change 3 times in 10 days..just curious ..couldnt find ice tube trays so used 5 oz cups from walmart.
 

Budley Doright

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took 10 days for 1st cutting to root,.yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha...one question i have 4 burnone,why does water keep turnin green? its no biggie but had to change 3 times in 10 days..just curious ..couldnt find ice tube trays so used 5 oz cups from walmart.


I dont think it matters too much what you use as a container....

As long as its tall enough to get the cuttin well away from the water level...

And its no so tall as it wont wick to wet the surface....

I always start with dry vermiculite and set it in water to hydrate it.... and I make sure that all surfaces get wet....

If not your holes are plugged....

Ive never actually emptied my res.... I only add a bit more water or water/ferts as needed....


V.Bee---- I admit Im skeptical of using this with seeds....

I also feel I made a mistake in the very first post the way I did my cell numbers....

For me numbering them the other way is better....

Instead of numbering them 1 thru 9 across....

I now number them in groups of 3 so cutting 1,2 and 3 are along the left side.... instead of across the top.....
 

vicious bee

Member
I don't doubt that you and others have much better ways of sprouting seeds. The reason I like it is consistency. I have had a hard time getting any consistency with my seed sprouting and I'm not going to buy any coco or rock wool. Sprouting in dirt has not worked well for me. I think if I can get this method dialed in then it would be repeatable. I fully acknowledge that my sprouting problems are probably mine alone. The area I'm growing in was at one time damp and had some mold. I believe this is causing damping off problems. Notice my love of H2O2 in my water. The area is cleaned up now but it's really hard to get rid of all mold spores. The reason I'm posting my seed sprouting results is for dumb asses like me that need some easy shake and bake way of doing things. Maybe this is misleading people. I'll quit posting about using it for seeds.
 

SirSmokalot

My Zips Be So Fluffy The Whole Town Love Me
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just my opinion but that lil tray seems like a pain in the ass to deal with and empty cutts/ seedling out, or check for individual roots... even watering looks like could make mess unless super delicate. looks like get crowded to fast. a simple 2oz dixie cups for mouth rinse works fine and can easily be emptied of plants, checked for roots and watered by wicking up from any kind of tray(peat puck tray or Rapid rooter trays work well as they are made thin to allow heat mat to transfer heat and have ridges on bottom for draining if using soil). i bought solo RR tray for $1 at hydro shop. place the tray on seedling heat mat . water the tray not the cups as water is used and evaporates. can use any medium to wick up whether it is soil, vermiculite, rockwool, or my preferred coco.
take a lil cup cut slits on edge, label strain on cup, pack with medium, poke a hole to bottom with something similar in diameter to clone, push clone in hole, set in tray over heat pad, when done with all, water the tray. cups will absorb all the water they need and keep wet and happy(this is why soil is least preferred cause it requires more attention to moisture level n cannot remain constantly water logged safely without choking out clones or seedlings) and seedling heat mat keeps just right to propagate roots.
i add water to tray every other day when i get the chance, leaving bottom 1/8 in of cup submerged on watering day. next day tray is nearly dry, but cups are still waterlogged. next day require add back of moisture sometime during that day to be safe. plain water til roots show on some then lightly feed tray with nutes(super light 200ppm or so) to keep rooted ones happy while rest catch up. keep together under minimal light to keep growth of rooted ones down so height differances wont come into play as bad
next to a ez cloner or homemade bubble cloner this is just about the laziest way to clone IMO with great success. i rarely lose a clone as long as i take cuts with fresh clean razors every session. i dont even use hormone anymore although it does shed time from rooting process. no humidity dome and i live in the mojave desert FYI.
i will go take pics of what i have now
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good example of a clone growing waiting for others
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water this easily- u can see the tray is nearly dry
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Slits is how it wicks
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roots grow for the slits/water source. i check 1 time a week takes me 10 min to check all clones in first pic and clean any mess i make. usually stays together well. this is 2 weeks here from cut
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new razors priceless.
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i had a few cuts get rot on me and this stopped that from happening. it is all i changed was clean cutting utensils
 

Budley Doright

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just my opinion but that lil tray seems like a pain in the ass to deal with and empty cutts/ seedling out, or check for individual roots... even watering looks like could make mess unless super delicate. looks like get crowded to fast. a simple 2oz dixie cups for mouth rinse works fine and can easily be emptied of plants, checked for roots and watered by wicking up from any kind of tray(peat puck tray or Rapid rooter trays work well as they are made thin to allow heat mat to transfer heat and have ridges on bottom for draining if using soil). i bought solo RR tray for $1 at hydro shop. place the tray on seedling heat mat . water the tray not the cups as water is used and evaporates. can use any medium to wick up whether it is soil, vermiculite, rockwool, or my preferred coco.
take a lil cup cut slits on edge, label strain on cup, pack with medium, poke a hole to bottom with something similar in diameter to clone, push clone in hole, set in tray over heat pad, when done with all, water the tray. cups will absorb all the water they need and keep wet and happy(this is why soil is least preferred cause it requires more attention to moisture level n cannot remain constantly water logged safely without choking out clones or seedlings) and seedling heat mat keeps just right to propagate roots.
i add water to tray every other day when i get the chance, leaving bottom 1/8 in of cup submerged on watering day. next day tray is nearly dry, but cups are still waterlogged. next day require add back of moisture sometime during that day to be safe. plain water til roots show on some then lightly feed tray with nutes(super light 200ppm or so) to keep rooted ones happy while rest catch up. keep together under minimal light to keep growth of rooted ones down so height differances wont come into play as bad
next to a ez cloner or homemade bubble cloner this is just about the laziest way to clone IMO with great success. i rarely lose a clone as long as i take cuts with fresh clean razors every session. i dont even use hormone anymore although it does shed time from rooting process. no humidity dome and i live in the mojave desert FYI.
i will go take pics of what i have now
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good example of a clone growing waiting for others
picture.php

water this easily- u can see the tray is nearly dry
picture.php

Slits is how it wicks
picture.php

roots grow for the slits/water source. i check 1 time a week takes me 10 min to check all clones in first pic and clean any mess i make. usually stays together well. this is 2 weeks here from cut
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new razors priceless.
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i had a few cuts get rot on me and this stopped that from happening. it is all i changed was clean cutting utensils

First....wicking is a good method however you go about it....

Lets run thru the negatives...

Hard to get the clones out.... A penny and a pencil works quite well...

Hard to check for individual roots... I dont actually check for roots....
After 2 weeks they come out.....but you could remove the blue caps and the roots will be out the bottom...
not hard really....

Watrering is done just like yours.... We water the reservoir not the cloner.... takes 4 seconds....

Whatever you gained on clone removal you waste in watering....dinking with them....

With the right reservoir it woudlnt be necessary to water for the 14 days I use...... I normally add to the reservoir one time.......in the 14 days...


I can also fit 108 clones under a single shop light and one bulb....


Im betting thats a trick you dont have...


rotflmfao....
 

SirSmokalot

My Zips Be So Fluffy The Whole Town Love Me
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are you kidding me
there are over 60 cuts there in my trays in a 1x1.5 ft area under 2 24in flouresents. i only need 1 on but prefer 2
if i wanted a single shop light(4ft u use) i could sure put a lot more than 108 under it.
i could water them 1 time a week but every other day keeps me in the room attending my veg regularly.
maybe u run 1 strain and all cut root same time frame. i however run several and they take diff times to root. checking after 2 weeks and then once a week after that is a good thing to do. go ahead pop off caps and watch shit spill out.
i dont know what you meant by gained in clone removal lost dinking around. pouring water into a tray and walking away isnt dinking with shit.
and a penny and a pencil isnt necc for me. i can turn upside down without spillin shit everywhere.
i love how all i say is that looks like a pain in the ass, reccomend another easy way for beginners to go about it for just as cheap, and u compare numbers undre a light and laugh at me on the floor. this isnt a pissing contest and since u have no diary to view i guess cant have one
i never said your method was wrong or anything, just the tray seems a pain in the ass for obvious reasons, and to me IT IS
whatever though to each his own.
as i said in the original post first sentence. "this is only my opinion"
i got more to say but wont
 

Budley Doright

Active member
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<<checking after 2 weeks and then once a week after that is a good thing to do. go ahead pop off caps and watch shit spill out. >>


There is your proof which one works better....


The reason this method doesnt need longer than 2 weeks....


By the way....


No need getting nasty you little shit.....


Please say what you want...

Im sure everyone thinks you are cool for a nasty temper....


Can I ask you a question????


YOu seem to have removed some of your more juicy comments.... how come???


You may notice I responded to you like an adult....


Which I am.....
 

Budley Doright

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By the way Ive been around the forums for well over 10 years....

Was a mentor at OG....

Ive found that pictures of my grows dont make my dick any bigger.....


I always thought it a bit chicken shit to put nasty comments in a post then delete them....


I reread my post to you....


It wasnt nasty in the least....

I didnt call you an ass...like you did me....


Maybe a time out would do you good.....

At a minute per year....


That should cost you about 15 minutes....
 

SirSmokalot

My Zips Be So Fluffy The Whole Town Love Me
Veteran
what ever burnt DOPE
your reply was meant to insult with the closing- that is why i called you an ass- u earned it
i erased a single comment from my post. it was unneccassary to my point and i have respect for the members that will come across this thread. i dont worry about ur take on it. i keep shit relavant
FYI ur method aint got shit to do with rooting time. has plenty to do with strain. look it up mentor
u know what doesnt make ur dick bigger- how many clones u can fit under a shop light.

my original post was intended to help beginners see how to do the same thing with another type of container that is easier to manage IMO and i am sure plenty will agree with me. not u obviously. not 1 insult just said tray looks like a crowded pain.

ur reply was meant to insult no matter how ya slice it in the end.
i will end with that cause there is no need to go back and forth over some shit that wont matter to anyone tomorrow but you.

did you here the new jeff foxworthy joke
"you know your a hill billy when you use world class and walmart in the same sentence!"

SSA
 

Budley Doright

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what ever burnt DOPE
your reply was meant to insult with the closing- that is why i called you an ass- u earned it
i erased a single comment from my post. it was unneccassary to my point and i have respect for the members that will come across this thread. i dont worry about ur take on it. i keep shit relavant
FYI ur method aint got shit to do with rooting time. has plenty to do with strain. look it up mentor
u know what doesnt make ur dick bigger- how many clones u can fit under a shop light.

my original post was intended to help beginners see how to do the same thing with another type of container that is easier to manage IMO and i am sure plenty will agree with me. not u obviously. not 1 insult just said tray looks like a crowded pain.

ur reply was meant to insult no matter how ya slice it in the end.
i will end with that cause there is no need to go back and forth over some shit that wont matter to anyone tomorrow but you.

did you here the new jeff foxworthy joke
"you know your a hill billy when you use world class and walmart in the same sentence!"

SSA


<<your reply was meant to insult with the closing- that is why i called you an ass- u earned it
i erased a single comment from my post.>>

NOt true.... you also took a swing at newbees...

<<FYI ur method aint got shit to do with rooting time. has plenty to do with strain. look it up mentor>> SOrry I believe the temps I use have much to do with the time it takes to root.... NOw we know why you werent mentor.....

<<ur reply was meant to insult no matter how ya slice it in the end.
i will end with that cause there is no need to go back and forth over some shit that wont matter to anyone tomorrow but you. >>

Of course after you called me an ass YOu deserved an insult back....after all I didnt deserve it in the least.....I have no idea what set you off little man....


did you here the new jeff foxworthy joke
"you know your a hill billy when you use world class and walmart in the same sentence!"


Did I here???? rotflmfao.....
"you know your????? too funny.....



Not many dictionaries in your life little man???


Jeff told me a joke too....

You know youre(notice the spelling) a redneck....if you think dictionaries are for other people.......


By the way little man.....no sense you trying to get on his show.....Are you smarter than a sixth grader.....

Its not that close......


lol.......


Let me say this about your method....


Ive tried the small cups... The problem is they arent tall enough to suit me.....

This is the reason you have to monitor the water levels so carefully....

The ice tube cloner is set it and forget it.....
 
Thanks to Burnt Rope for this excellent idea.
Here's a picture of some seeds. The cloner or seed popper is in a plastic shoe box propped up on two plastic bottles. The bottles raise the height so that my aquarium heater will be submerged. The temps about 83 Deg F. In 1-4 is vermiculite. The ones in 11,12,13,20,21,22 have 1/2 vermiculite and 1/2 NAPA(the auto parts store) sweeping compound made of fired diamotacious earth. From 6-9,14-18, and 24-28 is just NAPA alone. You can see the difference. The ones that look like small pebbles are the NAPA. They all seem to be doing good. Some of the NAPA only were planted later with no soaking. I just put the seed in. It's hard to say which is best. Maybe the NAPA perlite mix or the straight NAPA. Some of the straight vermiculite are doing fine. I'm not able to draw any definite conclusions. Have to do more testing. If I had to pick one I would pick the NAPA vermiculite mix.


I also have another one that has clones in it. I couldn't get the numbers to stay so I used a soldering iron to melt in my numbers and then drew them in with a sharpy. Maybe they will not wash off.

Reps to you for trying it - I guess my seeds just didnt have the energy left in them. I'll try some more but its clones for now.

Btw, for labeling mine, I just marked one corner of the tray for a reference point with colored tape and then drew out a chart with what was what in it.
 

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