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I was just held up at gunpoint in my home by a gang of 6 and all they got was sticks
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What state are you in?
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Nevermind...AZ. They are pretty tough out there.
twojoints said:the last g/f was the bastard. she ratted me out. this one was just crazy i guess, but shes still not the type to rat for anything...
so any hot girls in arizona ready for a hot down-to-earth midwestern guy? hahaha
Ive already come to the absolute decision that you can only have one group of ladies in your life at a time. Either you have a girlfriend or you have a grow. Not both. With the sheer volume of emotionally unstable women out there, the odds of hooking up with a normal one are risky. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." The problem is that many "scornings" are all in her head and by then you got cops at your door asking if you have anything they should know about. Pick pussy or pick pot but not both, at least if you can't keep your grow 100% to yourself. That's the moral.
sadly i totally agree now growtime... but what bothers me even more is that i doubt ill ever find someone i can really lay my mind into... oh well... hidden pot room and cheap hookers? if thats the way the law wants it to be i guess... just dont be wondering why the family fabric of america is gone.
UPDATE : fuck this country's laws
UPDATE : fuck this country's laws
Ok, so i finally get some details.
one- the police reports says i gave consent without argument. bullshit beyond belief.
two- the police reports says it was over 100g of weed they found. bs, all they got was sticks.
three- the real killer. they say now, because i have been convicted twice before (misdemeanors, 8 years ago!) that they now want me in rehab!!
My lawyer is telling me there isnt much to go on. He said we should take the plea bargain. FOR WHAT i ask. I dont have a drug problem, i dont need rehab and with my stomach problems it would only make things worse for me.
SO thats when he decides to fight this on a medical argument. So thats where were at. i have court at the end of the month, but honestly it doesnt feel good. After my lawyer agreed with me that this is NOT a free country, we parted ways and thats that.
Anyone wanna split a one-way ticket to holland? im fuckin serious, fuck this american bullshit and fuck everything within these boarders. rehab my ass... ill show you people who need rehab, here- lets go down my block and ill point out the houses... fuckin ridiculous....
so now basically if i fight this and lose ill be stuck with a full-blown felony. my other option would be to take the deal 'and get it over with'. yeah, thats what i did twice years ago, and they told me then my problems would go away. a decade later and its still a problem? i dont feel i have any choice but to fight to the end now. jury of my peers motherfuckers, jury of my peers is all i want now.
UPDATE : fuck this country's laws
Ok, so i finally get some details.
one- the police reports says i gave consent without argument. bullshit beyond belief.
two- the police reports says it was over 100g of weed they found. bs, all they got was sticks.
three- the real killer. they say now, because i have been convicted twice before (misdemeanors, 8 years ago!) that they now want me in rehab!!
My lawyer is telling me there isnt much to go on. He said we should take the plea bargain. FOR WHAT i ask. I dont have a drug problem, i dont need rehab and with my stomach problems it would only make things worse for me.
SO thats when he decides to fight this on a medical argument. So thats where were at. i have court at the end of the month, but honestly it doesnt feel good. After my lawyer agreed with me that this is NOT a free country, we parted ways and thats that.
Anyone wanna split a one-way ticket to holland? im fuckin serious, fuck this american bullshit and fuck everything within these boarders. rehab my ass... ill show you people who need rehab, here- lets go down my block and ill point out the houses... fuckin ridiculous....
so now basically if i fight this and lose ill be stuck with a full-blown felony. my other option would be to take the deal 'and get it over with'. yeah, thats what i did twice years ago, and they told me then my problems would go away. a decade later and its still a problem? i dont feel i have any choice but to fight to the end now. jury of my peers motherfuckers, jury of my peers is all i want now.
If the police report and charging documents are full of lies then thats where your attorney earns his money. They have to PROVE it, not just claim it, in order to convict you. The cops would have taken pictures of the "100g" of weed, put it in evidence, etc and would have to testify at a preliminary hearing in front of a judge about what happened, etc. Your attorney doesnt sound very good. If hes a public defender, drop him and do whatever you must to afford a private attorney. All a PD wants is for you to plead out. A paid lawyer will work his ass off to beat the case.
nope. he's a paid lawyer. about the best known in the city too.
thing is the cops will write anything they want in the report- and it ends up being my word against a cops. they dont need proof- you kidding me? its guilty until I PROVE my innocence. and i cant- i didnt have a video camera that day (and why would any cop want a tape recorder or video camera at a bust? this is exactly why. )
as far as i can tell, this might actually have to go to a trial by jury. fine by me- if i go down at least it will be with the truth and my fellow peers sayin i was wrong, not some paid-for asswipe that works for the city.
thing is the cops will write anything they want in the report- and it ends up being my word against a cops. they dont need proof- you kidding me? its guilty until I PROVE my innocence. and i cant- i didnt have a video camera that day (and why would any cop want a tape recorder or video camera at a bust? this is exactly why. )
as far as i can tell, this might actually have to go to a trial by jury. fine by me- if i go down at least it will be with the truth and my fellow peers sayin i was wrong, not some paid-for asswipe that works for the city.
twojoints said:
He cant be that great if hes talking about a plea bargain before you've even had a preliminary hearing. He's gotta file discovery requests for all their evidence (which we know doesnt exist). The prosecutor can't just trot out a few cops to testify about what happened with no evidence at all to back it up and expect to get a conviction. Go to trial on it....and maybe start thinking about getting a new attorney. Your guy doesnt sound very good to me.
you know, he was REAL good to me when i had lost my license before- for $250 he dropped a bunch of convicted tickets and got my right to drive back.
but maybe youre right, he's just not that good for this case. sigh... ive already paid him 1/4 of the retainer... i suppose if i dropped him he would still expect the rest
im already gathering up my medical records that PROVE i have a reason to try whatever i can to keep healthy... apparently he says it will make a difference but i asked him "when was a medical argument ever upheld?" and he didnt have an answer. he just said that since he knows some of the cops involved and he also knows the prosecutor that he thinks he can take care of this now that he knows why i smoke.
i just dont see why it matters. the search was illegal to begin with... but if you go by the report it makes it even worse. the report says nothing about me saying no, and i SAID IT THREE TIMES. its my fault though, i need a video camera on me at all times... just the way it is if you have a chronic disease and you wish to feel ok once and awhile...
but maybe youre right, he's just not that good for this case. sigh... ive already paid him 1/4 of the retainer... i suppose if i dropped him he would still expect the rest
im already gathering up my medical records that PROVE i have a reason to try whatever i can to keep healthy... apparently he says it will make a difference but i asked him "when was a medical argument ever upheld?" and he didnt have an answer. he just said that since he knows some of the cops involved and he also knows the prosecutor that he thinks he can take care of this now that he knows why i smoke.
i just dont see why it matters. the search was illegal to begin with... but if you go by the report it makes it even worse. the report says nothing about me saying no, and i SAID IT THREE TIMES. its my fault though, i need a video camera on me at all times... just the way it is if you have a chronic disease and you wish to feel ok once and awhile...
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twojoints said:you know, he was REAL good to me when i had lost my license before- for $250 he dropped a bunch of convicted tickets and got my right to drive back.
but maybe youre right, he's just not that good for this case. sigh... ive already paid him 1/4 of the retainer... i suppose if i dropped him he would still expect the rest
im already gathering up my medical records that PROVE i have a reason to try whatever i can to keep healthy... apparently he says it will make a difference but i asked him "when was a medical argument ever upheld?" and he didnt have an answer. he just said that since he knows some of the cops involved and he also knows the prosecutor that he thinks he can take care of this now that he knows why i smoke.
i just dont see why it matters. the search was illegal to begin with... but if you go by the report it makes it even worse. the report says nothing about me saying no, and i SAID IT THREE TIMES. its my fault though, i need a video camera on me at all times... just the way it is if you have a chronic disease and you wish to feel ok once and awhile...
Are you in a med state? If not, a judge would probably bar you from a medical necessity defense since there would be no state law providing for such a defense. You would want to argue in preliminary motions that all evidence (what little they have) should be suppressed if the search was illegal and if that fails, take it to trial and make them lie on the stand and either have no evidence, you said sticks yourself, or convince a jury that sticks means growing. Your individual state law and case law would have a big impact on how to pursue your defense. Have you checked NORML's list of mj attorneys in your area? Sounds like you will want someone familiar with this kind of case, not a run-of-the-mill DWI/Family Court/Divorce type lawyer. The amount you would owe your current attorney would depend on the language of the retainer you signed.
nothing signed for the retainer. ive known this lawer for 9 years now... so i suppose if he pisses me off and i fire him there wouldnt be anything extra owed-
this happened in illinois. we do have medical marijuana laws, but they are in hibernation, if you will. the laws are there but nobody does anything about it. thats why i doubt the medical argument will hold up. it wont hurt though, im aqcuiring my medical records today and ill bring those to court with me at the prelim. hopefully we can suppress the evidence based on the fact that i do have a serious medical problem and even more important, the search was illegal. just not sure how i convince a judge that my word is more truthful the 5 other cops that were all standing right there. god dammit why didnt i have a video camera running?
this happened in illinois. we do have medical marijuana laws, but they are in hibernation, if you will. the laws are there but nobody does anything about it. thats why i doubt the medical argument will hold up. it wont hurt though, im aqcuiring my medical records today and ill bring those to court with me at the prelim. hopefully we can suppress the evidence based on the fact that i do have a serious medical problem and even more important, the search was illegal. just not sure how i convince a judge that my word is more truthful the 5 other cops that were all standing right there. god dammit why didnt i have a video camera running?
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twojoints said:
You keep saying you denied search but you gave them an in by admitting to the joint. Thats why you dont open the door or you STFU.
Earlier you said your attorney was charging you $1500. I find that to be too low to fight any criminal case. I have had multiple criminal cases and $1500 didnt even cover costs such as depositions.
You have a lawyer who handled some traffic tickets handle this? You dont let a heart doctor operate on your brain. At one time I had THREE lawyers handling different cases as they all had their specialties.
As mentioned discovery needs to be done. First the state has to provide their evidence. Next your lawyer has to depo each witness primarily the cops. After that he needs to see if the stories conflict and if he feels a jury would see the confliction. The depos are recorded and if the police testify to anything different on the stand, the depos are brought into evidence to show the conflict. Basically he has to research everything, in the meantime the state will probably keep reducing their offer.
It takes a good lawyer to do all of this. I have seen the results of a good lawyer doing depos and a bad lawyer doing depos. Being a lawyer is not just about the law but how to question people and get them to trip up when lying.
If you want fight this, be prepared
well if 5 cops' stories conflict eachother's after 3 months of time to sync up thier minds, then they are dumber then i thought.
i did tell them no to a search. 3 times. if they want to say i let them in, ill let them prove that. you see, the police report left out any point whatsoever of me saying NO... and it was only after the guy told me i was going to jail and there was nothing i could do that he found the stuff. THEY WERE ALREADY INSIDE THE HOUSE WHEN I TOLD THEM ABOUT THE JOINT. in my eyes, that's ALL AFTER the fact. i told them no, and they harassed me to the point of invading my privacy. thing is there was no warrant! and no video/audio tapes. so its my word against theirs, and im willing to take that to a jury because if i dont its simply letting them get away with crime... sorry i just cant do that.
my lawyer knows a few of the cops that were there that day. he said theyre good people, and i can attest to that too- i remember a couple of them not even wanting to take me in for anything. so the best thing that could happen right now is for my laywer to hear from one of those guys that, yes, i did say no. Once he hears that he will KNOW the police report is falsified and then he can take that to my prosecutor- which also happens to be his 'friend'.
thing is, i need one of those 'good' cops to admit the police report is wrong... i still feel like im screwed no worries though, im not going to jail over this... and im actually glad i talked to them now- this whole thing happened without a search warrant... they are going to have to prove my guilt and they simply dont have hard evidence to support probable cause. if i go down for this it will be the court's believing a sting team over my word. as scary as that sounds in today's world, it really should be a winnable case.
edit- i just want to add... had i NOT cooperated, and actually did shut the door on them, or simply not say anything and have them leave- they would have gotten a search warrant. i have no doubt about that. if they can get away with falsifying reports then why couldnt they falsify a reason to obtain a warrant? and, if they did show up with a warrant, im FUCKED. as it stands now- they didnt have one and theres a LOT of common sense for me to say NO. they way the report is worded its almost a joke that anyone would act that way....
i did tell them no to a search. 3 times. if they want to say i let them in, ill let them prove that. you see, the police report left out any point whatsoever of me saying NO... and it was only after the guy told me i was going to jail and there was nothing i could do that he found the stuff. THEY WERE ALREADY INSIDE THE HOUSE WHEN I TOLD THEM ABOUT THE JOINT. in my eyes, that's ALL AFTER the fact. i told them no, and they harassed me to the point of invading my privacy. thing is there was no warrant! and no video/audio tapes. so its my word against theirs, and im willing to take that to a jury because if i dont its simply letting them get away with crime... sorry i just cant do that.
my lawyer knows a few of the cops that were there that day. he said theyre good people, and i can attest to that too- i remember a couple of them not even wanting to take me in for anything. so the best thing that could happen right now is for my laywer to hear from one of those guys that, yes, i did say no. Once he hears that he will KNOW the police report is falsified and then he can take that to my prosecutor- which also happens to be his 'friend'.
thing is, i need one of those 'good' cops to admit the police report is wrong... i still feel like im screwed
no worries though, im not going to jail over this... and im actually glad i talked to them now- this whole thing happened without a search warrant... they are going to have to prove my guilt and they simply dont have hard evidence to support probable cause. if i go down for this it will be the court's believing a sting team over my word. as scary as that sounds in today's world, it really should be a winnable case.edit- i just want to add... had i NOT cooperated, and actually did shut the door on them, or simply not say anything and have them leave- they would have gotten a search warrant. i have no doubt about that. if they can get away with falsifying reports then why couldnt they falsify a reason to obtain a warrant? and, if they did show up with a warrant, im FUCKED. as it stands now- they didnt have one and theres a LOT of common sense for me to say NO. they way the report is worded its almost a joke that anyone would act that way....
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Ajunta Pall
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2 jays, 1) "jury of your peers" don't know where that came from, cause the constitution says that you are entitled to an "impartial" jury. Juries can be a dangerous thing, my friend. Do you really want your fate in the hands of 12 American Idol watching, Paris Hilton loving, Harry Potter reading dumb asses?
2) I hope you are not serious about taking the cops on in court. Everyone in the court room will believe the pigs over you. Especially, if there are more than 1. The masses- as stupid as they can be- will believe the police over you. I'm not saying that there isn't a small chance that you can convince them, but I think you are taking a huge gamble.
3) You said in one of your posts that you were caught with "sticks", well if they came from a marijuana plant, then they are illegal. I got news for you, cops aren't only concerned with buds. Haven't you been reading the posts on here that cops will weigh a plant, root ball and all? The whole plant is illegal, dude, not just certain parts of it.
Look dude, I feel for you. You don't seem like you're a bad sort. Just kind of dumb. Mostly because you don't know when to shut up. You went through a lot, according to you, to conceal your grow room. Good move, and well done. But what's the point of all that if you're gonna run your mouth to anyone telling them what you're up to? Does that seem smart? No it doesn't does it. Good luck with your case, you're gonna need it. P.S. Rehab is better than the joint.
2) I hope you are not serious about taking the cops on in court. Everyone in the court room will believe the pigs over you. Especially, if there are more than 1. The masses- as stupid as they can be- will believe the police over you. I'm not saying that there isn't a small chance that you can convince them, but I think you are taking a huge gamble.
3) You said in one of your posts that you were caught with "sticks", well if they came from a marijuana plant, then they are illegal. I got news for you, cops aren't only concerned with buds. Haven't you been reading the posts on here that cops will weigh a plant, root ball and all? The whole plant is illegal, dude, not just certain parts of it.
Look dude, I feel for you. You don't seem like you're a bad sort. Just kind of dumb. Mostly because you don't know when to shut up. You went through a lot, according to you, to conceal your grow room. Good move, and well done. But what's the point of all that if you're gonna run your mouth to anyone telling them what you're up to? Does that seem smart? No it doesn't does it. Good luck with your case, you're gonna need it. P.S. Rehab is better than the joint.
Ajunta Pall said:
Finding sticks would be a simple possession charge (and then probably laughed out of court), not a cultivating charge, since the sticks were not live, rooted plants. Big difference!
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Yo Growtime, it could be a felony possession charge if it was over a certain amount of weight. Where I live 35 grams or more is a felony. In the statues it says nothing about what part of the plant. The point I was making is that the pigs do not distinguish what will get you high on the plant and what won't. As far as they are concerned all of the plant is illegal, and will charge you according to how much you got busted with.
as far as being dumb. sorry, im not.
as 'jury of my peers' is exactly that. impartial is perfect. at least they are not employed by the city just to fuck me. they are my peers- the people i drive down the road with everyday.
youre saying i should roll over and let them make me pay thousands for rehab? are you kidding me? since when was this forum on the side of the lying pigs?
as 'jury of my peers' is exactly that. impartial is perfect. at least they are not employed by the city just to fuck me. they are my peers- the people i drive down the road with everyday.
youre saying i should roll over and let them make me pay thousands for rehab? are you kidding me? since when was this forum on the side of the lying pigs?
Actually let me ask this.
Cop comes to your door and knocks. you answer because youre not a guy who lives as a criminal.
Cop says they are here to search the house. You say no. The cop says they have a complaint from a local crime center that you are growing.
You say, 'who is complaining?'
Cop says 'its anonymous tip'
You say 'sorry, i cannot allow you to search on an anonymous tip'
Cops says 'thats fine then come with me youre going to jail and were still searching the house.
You say 'I cant allow that. how can i go to jail on an anonymous tip?'
Cops says 'thats the way it works'
Right there is where i should have just stepped outside and locked my door behind me. BUT. now, i ask. what happens now? the cop is pissed off at my action, and so he takes me downtown for questioning. I know im not arrested, but they also feel 100% that my house has a grow in it. You still think that would have ended up a better scenario? I just dont see what would hold them back from getting a warrant. Even if they didnt, how to i get rid of my entire grow while my house is being watched?
I just dont feel i had any options. I still feel i did about as good as i could have given the situations. I dont like to be called dumb, but im always open for debate and i really do appreciate all the input in this winded ass thread!
Cop comes to your door and knocks. you answer because youre not a guy who lives as a criminal.
Cop says they are here to search the house. You say no. The cop says they have a complaint from a local crime center that you are growing.
You say, 'who is complaining?'
Cop says 'its anonymous tip'
You say 'sorry, i cannot allow you to search on an anonymous tip'
Cops says 'thats fine then come with me youre going to jail and were still searching the house.
You say 'I cant allow that. how can i go to jail on an anonymous tip?'
Cops says 'thats the way it works'
Right there is where i should have just stepped outside and locked my door behind me. BUT. now, i ask. what happens now? the cop is pissed off at my action, and so he takes me downtown for questioning. I know im not arrested, but they also feel 100% that my house has a grow in it. You still think that would have ended up a better scenario? I just dont see what would hold them back from getting a warrant. Even if they didnt, how to i get rid of my entire grow while my house is being watched?
I just dont feel i had any options. I still feel i did about as good as i could have given the situations. I dont like to be called dumb, but im always open for debate and i really do appreciate all the input in this winded ass thread!
