I want to hear your opinions on breeders, seeds, and prices. [Jun 15]

[Pendleton]

Hello fellow cannagraphers. I get high and think too much, and this morning was thinking on the fact that I am do not know what the current trends/popular breeders are as much these days. I know all the elite clones people want, but I want to hear your opinions as growers/smokers on the landscape of cannabis breeding/seed sales as it stands in 2015, and how you perceive the scene we take part in. I want to know the breeders you personally are interested in, but also what breeders you think the general growing scene is currently interested in the most. We are after all a small portion of the overall growing community, and I dare say a company like Greenhouse or Sensi does more overall sales than their presence here on IC would belie. What do you think of pricing and seed quantity in 2015, as well as packaging? Has quality gone down or up in the past couple years? Are there breeders out of business whom you would like to see back?

I'd like to spur discussion and to help us understand not just how we perceive our industry, but help us understand how our fellows in this community perceive it as well.

The only personal input I would like to mention is that what spurred me to ask all these questions is that the breeding scene seems much quieter online than it did in recent years, even as large seed banks like Attitude and Herbies seem to do very well, and I am wondering if this is merely my own personal impression, that perhaps I'm just getting old and out of the loop.

 

[stoney917]

Personally i feel most "breeders" of today do the best with what they got available to them... trying to get whatever the next clone only out in s1 or or other seed. .. but it supply n demand... there's lines of ppl wanting cookies this og that glue this sourchem that... its very boring to me but nessessary to keep the market happy... its a business for 99% n u gotta make what sells... back in the day thousands of plant would be grown out for selections to stabilize a strain. .. now anyone with a 4x4 can call themselves a breeder.. herm this pollinating that =gold.

 

[Critter]

They all came out of the wood work chucking untested males, using cfls in a closet or a tent
And now thinking they be a bad ass breeder yo....
I know i like chucking but its a far cry from proper breeding and selection.

One good thing... it has made genetics available to peeps world wide and that is priceless ...so we put up with the 100$ a pack "breeders" to get this plant and all its forms and pheno's everywhere!

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Everybody is whoring the same old strains. When everybody is breeding the same old shit to the same old shit it's likely the same types of pheno's will be found in what ever you buy or grow.

It kills me when I see ppl on here argueing over subtle nuances of the one of a million chem or og etc.. hybrids they happen to be fapping over at the moment. It's like with most of these strains the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, you get stink, you get a funky taste and you get frost beyond that the highs are indiscernible from one another not to say they aren't very good in their own right it's when you've tried 5 or 10 don't expect much wow factor after that.

I perceive the industry as going flat, bottlenecking itself etc...it's more like shuffling shit around as not much new is being added. Back in the 80s and 90s it seemed there was an abundance of exotic strains to play with, now it seems like there is maybe 25 key players everyone breeds with. When an elite clone pops up and everyone goes nuts for it it often seems it is just a rehash of genetics presently available.

 

[sourpuss]

In the seed world I find your get what you pay for does not apply. Spending over 100 bucks a pack, or 50 bucks or even 30 bucks. Its not a scale of quality like it should.

Although my 100 dollar packs were fire, I cant say the 50 and up packs didnt hold fire as well. I can say anything under the 50 range was more hit or miss. But again ive found fire in some strains I that category. Also some waste of my times. 2 cents....

 

[Genghis Kush]

rare dankness seems popular. I have a few of their strains, all great!
DNA and Crocket are pretty popular right now too it seems.

 

[Tulku]

there is also no place for error, you pay something like $200 for some of the 'new new' or something like that, you better pray that everything goes well your end because there is no way of slogging it out with anyone insisting that your set-up was on point if you do have issues...no-ones there to listen they're all on Instagram now and you're blockable.....Can see a lot of people getting primal urges, being caught up in the hype of it all and ending in tears.
I don't need anyone to hold my hand I can assure you, but I am positive that some will require some form of assurance, when shit's going tits up.

 

[Lester Beans]

I agree with the point that price does not mean quality. There is seriously good strains, properly worked, out there cheap. Then there is expensive pollen chucks. The positive is that all these genetics are available. That is the golden ticket, anyone can get about anything these days.

My biggest issue is the litenay of poly hybrib x poly hybrid x poly...

Just results in bland boring cannabis.

But to answer your question, most sought after breeders, well the list is actually long, and in no particular order

Topdawg
Archive
Rare Dankness
Bodhi
Karma
Sin city
Chimera
Ace/Cannabiogen
BOG
S@nnie
Esko
Relentless
I'm sure I forgot a bunch..

Who would we like to see some new work from?

Sam the Skunkman
Reeferman
Tom Hill
DJ Short
The Real Seed Co
Etc

 

[WelderDan]

I'd just like to see something new, unique. It doesn't have to be potent. Potent weed is easy to find. So is boring weed.

I guess 40 years of smoking has left me jaded. Everything has been hybridized. OG this, Kush that. Hybrids of hybrids. Somebody pops some bag seed of some unknown dank, and BOOM, the next clone-only king for a day is born. Then it gets hybridized and reversed and nobody knows what it really is.

And then along comes the pretenders, the invented stories, the hype, the lies. The greed.

I really am jaded.

 

[Midwest sticky]

^^ I'd say your more realistic than jaded

 

[FunkBomb]

I'm a big fan of Nirvana, Female Seed Co, CH9, Mandala, and Rare Dankness. Genetic variation and mutation make it all the more enjoyable.

-Funk

 

[UptownChill]

Well. I would say in that the last 5 years watching the seed industry, things have gotten very exciting. New Auto strains seem to be getting better yields and more powerful. Lots of new breeders. There are so many strains from so many breeders that there is no way I could ever try what's available today in this lifetime. I will also say, the breeders are not only isolating properties that make our smoking experience better, taste, aroma, smell etc. but, they are also trying to isolate the properties that make the strain mold/pest resistant. The plants themselves are just so easy to grow anymore. I like it. Plus, many of us/you are growing the same top shelf quality that they are selling in CO. Maybe even better. Anyway, I love the autos and fem photos. I pretty much order some Dinafem beans everyone I order be she they always work, always fairly easy to grow and are always high quality.

As for pollen chucking. Well yeah. It's happening everywhere. I don't and won't bother just because I feel the breeders know what they are doing and will do it better than me every time. I might do a seed run. But, just for personal. Anyway. Good topic.

 

[Laza Haze]

Cannabis genetic pool is so various...We will have fun for a long time ..The problem i think are femminised strains.To much stuff around....It is a little bit dangerous for the future.

Good vibes

 

[stix~]

I want to hear your opinions as growers/smokers on the landscape of cannabis breeding/seed sales as it stands in 2015, and how you perceive the scene we take part in. I want to know the breeders you personally are interested in, but also what breeders you think the general growing scene is currently interested in the most. What do you think of pricing and seed quantity in 2015, as well as packaging? Has quality gone down or up in the past couple years? Are there breeders out of business whom you would like to see back?

.. great thread

personally i have always been intereted most in sensi seeds... first pack i ever got was theyr early skunk and i just sprouted northernlights..

as far as the crowd goes... its easy .. GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT.... i guess ignorance actually is bliss lol

breeders out of bussiness i'd like to see come back .. none .. they had their time to shine ... they helped shape the industry as it is .. and they rightfully belong in what can only be considered as the highest honor in the weed scene ---> " retirement "

i think we as a comunnity have a way to do great things .. as long as there's a will ... since cannabis seed sales have never been higher ... and breeding has never been on such a low level across the board...

theres too much inbreeding and very little seedruns & seed.hunts being done...

what i would like to see done ... im doing it

hope theres a new wave of legends like haze.skunk.berry.widow someday soon.. and we get out of this kush.diesel.glue.chem loop

 

[VonBudí]

Breeding

Breeder

couple of respectable american seedbanks operating atm, been wondering whats going to happen to eu banks when things are a bit more stable and legal in the states.wonder if the tude will have an american site? greenhouse seeds have been doing alot of promo work over there.

 

[GuerillaJack]

Seedmaker Vs Breeder

Seedmaker Vs Breeder

This is quite simple to work out. I am a breeder, it takes on average 4 to 5 years to develop a plant so that it is a viable new strain that NOBODY can pick at or complain about. It does what it says on the Tin.

Seedmakers are a mockery of the system pumping out strain after strain for money. They cant possibly take every strain they put out to F6 - F7 because the timeframe does not work.

A good breeder will maybe make 10 perfect strains to every 100 seedmakers efforts. The difference is quality, Time and dedication for years to produce your end goal. Seedmakers are Ok I suppose just trying to make a Buck, just have no place in my world.

A good breeder will have a plan in mind for what he/her wants from the strain and will work tirelessly each generation to filter out the bad eggs. It takes time and patience.

Lets look at seedmakers. They have a massive catalogue of strains with new strains coming out all the time. They are expensive and they are pure hit and miss.

Breeders have a few select strains that they work with and a small catalogue of strains that do exactly what they say.

The price ??? Every seed I sell is £2 each and they are at least F7 before I do sell them - otherwise they are £1 each and labelled as part stabilised. You get on average 5000 seeds off one plant that is £10,000 a plant. People selling for £10 a seed are greedy and obviously grabbing money fast before they go down. Who is going to buy off them again when the plant advertised as 6 oz yield brings them a few gram, is a plant worth £100,000 No !!!

 

[Schwarzenegro]

I personally like e$ko.

Doesn't follow the trends, and is a master gardener all around not just herb, which makes his thumb much greener all around.

 

[Pendleton]

Guerilla, agreed as a serious agronomist. When I see commercial plant varieties taking a decade and they're growing out 10,000 samples of each cross and generation, I know almost all the "breeding" going on in the cannabis seed industry is a joke. Far too many untested F1s made from one mom and one dad and called a new cultivar. F6 or F7 should be the norm as it is in other plant industries.

 

[sourpuss]

F6 f7 would make for a pretty uniform phenotype. Depends how well its done I assume... some heads may beg to differ, regarding a pack of 10 seeds to produce very similar plants. Whats the point of 10? If they r all the same. Whos to say the breeder has the same tastes and enjoys the same effects as the end customer. Does the breeder even consider the effects? Kinda the point of weed imo.... lets not turn it into a useless product like tobacco....

Variety is nice. Not sayin anyone r is wrong just throwing a valid point out there....

 

[Lester Beans]

The tricky part is keeping the vigor in the plant at f6 or f7.