I think i (partly) understand the vaccine resistance!

[armedoldhippy]

propaganda blahblahblah. govts routinely test/educate military personnel on how news can be weaponized. while i was in basic, our DIs came in to a meeting once to tell us "that the GI bill had been stripped from our future benefits" just to judge our reactions to "fake news". many in my flight bit on it, and hard! they went on to ask how many would continue through basic training. all said yes, even those who were fooled...military needs require people that will do the job in spite of conflicts internally.

 

[h.h.]

propaganda blahblahblah. govts routinely test/educate military personnel on how news can be weaponized. while i was in basic, our DIs came in to a meeting once to tell us "that the GI bill had been stripped from our future benefits" just to judge our reactions to "fake news". many in my flight bit on it, and hard! they went on to ask how many would continue through basic training. all said yes, even those who were fooled...military needs require people that will do the job in spite of conflicts internally.

I’d be surprised if they didn’t screw with you.

 

[Chi13]

Kim Iversen: Norway DROPS All Restrictions And Chooses To LIVE With Covid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ItkYhFiGBI


not everyone is bat shit crazy about covid anymore

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but opening up like that sounds batshit crazy to me. I know zero about Norwegian politics, but they are obviously willing to sacrifice the elderly, sick and disabled. I assume like most health systems the world over that their hospitals will not cope. They are also willing to sacrifice the overall health of the population as there is increasing reports of long covid effecting a huge percentage of those who contract the virus. But gee, as long as people can go to concerts who cares.

 

[gaiusmarius]

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but opening up like that sounds batshit crazy to me. I know zero about Norwegian politics, but they are obviously willing to sacrifice the elderly, sick and disabled. I assume like most health systems the world over that their hospitals will not cope. They are also willing to sacrifice the overall health of the population as there is increasing reports of long covid effecting a huge percentage of those who contract the virus. But gee, as long as people can go to concerts who cares.

leaving aside the bombastic fear mongering and predictions of doom, i think it has to do with having a decent health care system and getting to a point where very few actually end up dying anymore. sacrificing the elderly is not part of the equation if you actually watch and understood, they will increase capacities to make sure to keep people from dying if they have a new surge. don't ask me why but covid in some countries seems to be much worse then here. i personally still don't know 1 person who died from it. even my now 99 years old neighbour only went to hospital for observation when she got it. so yeah i know some places its not like that and i feel for them and hope they get to a better place soon too.

btw its not just Norway, there is a list of places that dropped all covid related restrictions, including Singapore. sadly not Switzerland, our health minister has become a Tyrant splitting people against each other, but he will get his due, we will vote on the covid law very soon.

 

[moose eater]

I guess it's a matter of opinion, but opening up like that sounds batshit crazy to me. I know zero about Norwegian politics, but they are obviously willing to sacrifice the elderly, sick and disabled. I assume like most health systems the world over that their hospitals will not cope. They are also willing to sacrifice the overall health of the population as there is increasing reports of long covid effecting a huge percentage of those who contract the virus. But gee, as long as people can go to concerts who cares.

Denmark was reportedly doing so as well.

Set your timer now for the hospitalization numbers to bolt upwards, then mortality rates to follow.

On the whole, we're an impatient, money-driven lot. I guess we'll see what life is worth when the dust settles, eh?

Otherwise, the mere posting of this looks a lot like a kid complaining to his parents, that "Johnny's parents let HIM jump off the garage roof with a bed sheet for a cape!! Why can't -I-??!!"

 

[moose eater]

By the way, as of Monday, 2 days ago, Fairbanks (Alaska) Memorial Hospital admitted an infant into the hospital for COVID, and on Monday, 4 or 5 more persons died; the youngest of the last lot was in their 40s.

I guess if there's a silver lining, there are 4 or 5 more ICU beds freed up, and the mortuary owner is (possibly/likely) choosing which extravagant holiday excursion they want to take this next winter. Business is good.

at the store where I just picked up a new 24-ft. extension ladder, none of the hired help were masked, and only 2 customers were wearing masks; one wearing an N95 and then other a surgical, or surgical-like mask.

Forrest Gump: "Stupid is as stupid does." (Though that was actually Forrest's mother who passed that on to him).

 

[gaiusmarius]

propaganda blahblahblah. govts routinely test/educate military personnel on how news can be weaponized. while i was in basic, our DIs came in to a meeting once to tell us "that the GI bill had been stripped from our future benefits" just to judge our reactions to "fake news". many in my flight bit on it, and hard! they went on to ask how many would continue through basic training. all said yes, even those who were fooled...military needs require people that will do the job in spite of conflicts internally.

oh i see, didnt know it was normal for the military to use propaganda on the civilian citizens. here in Switzerland thats against the law. no military propaganda methods allowed to be deployed against own citizenry.

 

[moose eater]

oh i see, didnt know it was normal for the military to use propaganda on the civilian citizens. here in Switzerland thats against the law. no military propaganda methods allowed to be deployed against own citizenry.

I think he was saying the military used propaganda on the troops when he was in the military.

Not that Uncle Sam isn't guilty of fibbing to the general population many times over. Uncle Sam certainly has lied to the population in the US repeatedly.

 

[Chi13]

Denmark was reportedly doing so as well.

Set your timer now for the hospitalization numbers to bolt upwards, then mortality rates to follow.

On the whole, we're an impatient, money-driven lot. I guess we'll see what life is worth when the dust settles, eh?

Otherwise, the mere posting of this looks a lot like a kid complaining to his parents, that "Johnny's parents let HIM jump off the garage roof with a bed sheet for a cape!! Why can't -I-??!!"

Oops replied to the wrong post.

But yes, I agree with what you are saying, particularly about being a money driven society.

 

[Chi13]

leaving aside the bombastic fear mongering and predictions of doom, i think it has to do with having a decent health care system and getting to a point where very few actually end up dying anymore. sacrificing the elderly is not part of the equation if you actually watch and understood, they will increase capacities to make sure to keep people from dying if they have a new surge. don't ask me why but covid in some countries seems to be much worse then here. i personally still don't know 1 person who died from it. even my now 99 years old neighbour only went to hospital for observation when she got it. so yeah i know some places its not like that and i feel for them and hope they get to a better place soon too.

btw its not just Norway, there is a list of places that dropped all covid related restrictions, including Singapore. sadly not Switzerland, our health minister has become a Tyrant splitting people against each other, but he will get his due, we will vote on the covid law very soon.

We have a very good health system where I live, but other countries with very good health systems have all been overwhelmed. How do you increase capacities? Nurses and doctors are required who take years of training. Myunderstanding was that one of the first places hit badly, Italy, had a great health system. Look what happened there.

Our country and States will open up at 80-90% vaccination depending on the State. One of our States already has a 90% first vax rate. However even at this, I fully expect the Health system will struggle. I had to go to casualty a few weeks ago with chest pain. I was there 7 hours and they were very thorough, but on an average Monday morning they were clearly stretched. I got examined on a chair in a corridor. I can' t imagine what it would be like with a covid outbreak on top.

There is virtually no covid where I live. In a neighbouring state the numbers are swelling so borders are closed. Where I am the only restriction is mask wearing indoors which is nothing to be upset about. I am vaxed and so are most of the people I care about. We do have to open up, but it needs to be done sensibly, not suddenly, and not just for the reason that people are fed up with restrictions.

 

[TNTBudSticker]

+++++++++++++++childish insult and death wish removed++++++++++++++

What does trump have to do with this...shut up

You really sound like pelosi that fights with everyone in the Senate and doesn't get along with no one.

You really think that everyone who followed rules would have been in the stock market? ..Do you think kids should be taught stocks in school because the Government says so? ..It doesn't at all,it doesn't even teach you how to invest...........Trump has been gone 2 years and what that above poster just talked about having his own freedom and the choices to do so.And that pisses you off and you associate Trump like himself a Self starter.

 

[gaiusmarius]

We have a very good health system where I live, but other countries with very good health systems have all been overwhelmed. How do you increase capacities? Nurses and doctors are required who take years of training. Myunderstanding was that one of the first places hit badly, Italy, had a great health system. Look what happened there.

Our country and States will open up at 80-90% vaccination depending on the State. One of our States already has a 90% first vax rate. However even at this, I fully expect the Health system will struggle. I had to go to casualty a few weeks ago with chest pain. I was there 7 hours and they were very thorough, but on an average Monday morning they were clearly stretched. I got examined on a chair in a corridor. I can' t imagine what it would be like with a covid outbreak on top.

There is virtually no covid where I live. In a neighbouring state the numbers are swelling so borders are closed. Where I am the only restriction is mask wearing indoors which is nothing to be upset about. I am vaxed and so are most of the people I care about. We do have to open up, but it needs to be done sensibly, not suddenly, and not just for the reason that people are fed up with restrictions.

im sorry, but waiting 7 hours in a hallway to be treated when you have zero covid cases sounds like a fucked up health care system to me.

 

[armedoldhippy]

What does trump have to do with this...shut up

You really sound like pelosi that fights with everyone in the Senate and doesn't get along with no one.

You really think that everyone who followed rules would have been in the stock market? ..Do you think kids should be taught stocks in school because the Government says so? ..It doesn't at all,it doesn't even teach you how to invest...........Trump has been gone 2 years and what that above poster just talked about having his own freedom and the choices to do so.And that pisses you off and you associate Trump like himself a Self starter.

The Chump hasn't been gone for ONE year yet, much less two. are you really that fact averse? wow...

 

[armedoldhippy]

im sorry, but waiting 7 hours in a hallway to be treated when you have zero covid cases sounds like a fucked up health care system to me.

"i was there 7 hours & they were very thorough"

 

[BudToaster]

i don't think you do understand my "vaccine" resistance, not that anybody cares, but (1) i don't like the technology - that is, marking my own body cell membranes with what is undeniably a very potent antigen, namely the spike protein; (2) i reject the assertion that health can only come from a pharmaceutical - if i can't survive my environment, well then, game over and welcome to the next level.

please excuse me if you already knew this.

 

[Great outdoors]

i don't think you do understand my "vaccine" resistance, not that anybody cares, but (1) i don't like the technology - that is, marking my own body cell membranes with what is undeniably a very potent antigen, namely the spike protein; (2) i reject the assertion that health can only come from a pharmaceutical - if i can't survive my environment, well then, game over and welcome to the next level.

please excuse me if you already knew this.

Personally I wouldn't bank on that next level stuff.
As they say " one in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush"

 

[moose eater]

Personally I wouldn't bank on that next level stuff.
As they say " one in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bush"

As far as I know, factually, the only eternal life I can count on, is if I undergo natural burial, and don't horde my body's nutrients, keeping the environment from accessing them, and to feed the worms and the soil, after which plants organisms/micro-organisms may grow as a result, later dying themselves, and rising again from compost as new plants, maybe to be eaten by humans or animals, shit out again, and fertilizing new plants with their minerals and microbes. That's the ONLY eternal life I can factually define as real. And, as stated, even that relies on my not hording my mineral and other values as a corpse.

As far as spiritual after-life, well, Houdini never got back to his wife on that after he croaked, so I'm skeptical.

But if we're talking about spirituality as defined through electrical current, or something like unified field theory, then.. who knows? Maybe?

Right now I can eat a table-ripened tomato from my garden, drink real coffee, taste real hummus, pet my dog, kiss my wife, and hug my younger son. The rest is speculation at best, and fantasy or delusion at worst.

I'll take 'bird in the hand' for $500, Alex.

 

[Switcher56]

City of Angels... interesting movie.

 

[BudToaster]

body is going to the state anatomy board - comes back as ashes, if desired. i don't particularly care. the part i love is they come and pickup the corpse - no muss, no fuss for the survivors.

 

[armedoldhippy]

seen advertisements for "human composting" services offered through funeral parlors. i think i like the Native Americans plan of putting bodies in trees for the birds better though...