I think i (partly) understand the vaccine resistance!

[HempKat]

Love the old tough guy routine with women and the elderly.
But I would love it even more if this shit went on in my presence. Life lessons would be learned.

I agree and was pretty disappointed that nobody on a NY subway was either tough enough to stand up to this piece of garbage or if there was someone then felt he deserved to be stood up to. I disagree with his position on masks but can respect it so long as he respects others who do wear masks by staying well away from them. Especially someone who is elderly since they've been a part of the high risk group since the beginning. Imagine being an elderly person who has done everything to stay healthy and get thru the past year and a half only to have some punk get in your face and make you sick because he can't be bothered to take precautions and disrespects that you're trying to take precautions.

 

[HempKat]

I just talked with a guy in Alabama. No masks (even in places like walmart or supermarkets), no increase in the number of funerals, no full hospitals or funeral homes.

Wherever you are getting the hysteria from, it is a lie.

You talked with a guy? So just because one guy confirms your bias then he knows better then anyone else? I thought you said the Governor there was a "mask Nazi" seems a bit hard to believe that if the chief executive of the state is a "mask Nazi" that no businesses is following whatever mask mandate this "mask Nazi" must have in place. Nor does it seem plausible that any politician would risk not being re-elected by putting in place a mask mandate that isn't called for based on what's happening there. But hey, you talked to a guy...

 

[HempKat]

why stop at POTUS or Pope? why not shoot for God? LOL!

Shhhhhhh don't give him any ideas

 

[HempKat]

I don't know when or if it will disappear. Some viruses vanish after X number of mutations, or changes in conditions (*one such instance occurred in remote Brazil some years back, with a virus that was killing, primarily, children; my PC Doc is from there).

But I do know that those who aren't doing their part are helping to keep it thriving, and, at least for now, with karma running closer to righteousness re. COVID mortality than during pre-vaccine days, at least the right motherfuckers are the predominant numbers in the growing mortality counts. So maybe there -is- a God?

What gets me is that as you say with the way things have been going it's primarily the unvaccinated that are being hospitalized and dying, so you would think more of the anti mask, anti jab folks would start facing reality especially with so many of their former comrades getting on TV to say it's no joke before they die. Yet near as I can tell as soon as any one of them changes their stance they become ignored or shunned. Even Trump himself got booed at one of his rallies when he said people should get vaccinated.

 

[moose eater]

What gets me is that as you say with the way things have been going it's primarily the unvaccinated that are being hospitalized and dying, so you would think more of the anti mask, anti jab folks would start facing reality especially with so many of their former comrades getting on TV to say it's no joke before they die. Yet near as I can tell as soon as any one of them changes their stance they become ignored or shunned. Even Trump himself got booed at one of his rallies when he said people should get vaccinated.

Unfortunately, delusions don't always work that way. And when the delusion is a method of comprehending or defining a problem that largely defies their ability to master it, it becomes that much more important to cling to the 'creative thinking' that softens the blow of reality.

After all, political conspiracies and tweaked Wall St. deceit, are far easier to accept as an enemy than a virus that sometimes has questionable predictability in outcomes, and which mutates, thus far, in ways that draw questions to some of the pervious proven methods of dealing with it.

Look at the crowd-think and reactions that occurred with the airing of 'War of the Worlds' on the radio, way back when ever it was, and that was TOTALLY fictional, yet people went bonkers.

Our species is often far from logical in our reactions to many stressors in life. But I admit, in my lifetime, this will go down as one f the grandest group delusions, denying information and methods that might keep themselves safe, that I've ever witnessed. It almost is akin to the lemmings allegedly diving into creeks/rivers (unfortunately disproven to me by a fish & game biologist), or, more realistically and aptly, the fainting goats that fall over, seemingly paralyzed, when being chased by a predator.

Counter-intuitive? Ooooohhhhh yeah.....

 

[Gry]

I agree and was pretty disappointed that nobody on a NY subway was either tough enough to stand up to this piece of garbage or if there was someone then felt he deserved to be stood up to. I disagree with his position on masks but can respect it so long as he respects others who do wear masks by staying well away from them. Especially someone who is elderly since they've been a part of the high risk group since the beginning. Imagine being an elderly person who has done everything to stay healthy and get thru the past year and a half only to have some punk get in your face and make you sick because he can't be bothered to take precautions and disrespects that you're trying to take precautions.

Camera operator did an effective job of capturing the Hugo Boss fan in fully glory.
Was left wondering if they followed him off...

 

[buzzmobile]

The Trump rally where he was booed was held in ... ALABAMA.

 

[h.h.]

All the smoke from the California fires is drifting north before coming back down into Colorado. Folks in Southern Cal have clean air. I asked one gal out there about the fires. She looked out the window and asked, “what fires?” I haven’t a clue where all this smokes coming from. The media lies.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Shhhhhhh don't give him any ideas

ah, lots of these room-temperature IQ clods would bow, scrape, and lick his feet if they saw him already . with his ego, why not shoot for the top?

 

[armedoldhippy]

The Trump rally where he was booed was held in ... ALABAMA.

the "true believers" will toss him just as he tosses those he has no further use for. "that's not really him!" they will claim "he's been abducted by the Deep State and replaced with a body double!" they will then return to their trailer park to await his Return to the Throne...LOL!

 

[moose eater]

the "true believers" will toss him just as he tosses those he has no further use for. "that's not really him!" they will claim "he's been abducted by the Deep State and replaced with a body double!" they will then return to their trailer park to await his Return to the Throne...LOL!

Sounds like a potentially profitable mini-series. I'd contact NetFlix quickly! ;^>)

 

[Switcher56]

I don't know when or if it will disappear. Some viruses vanish after X number of mutations, or changes in conditions (*one such instance occurred in remote Brazil some years back, with a virus that was killing, primarily, children; my PC Doc is from there).

But I do know that those who aren't doing their part are helping to keep it thriving, and, at least for now, with karma running closer to righteousness re. COVID mortality than during pre-vaccine days, at least the right motherfuckers are the predominant numbers in the growing mortality counts. So maybe there -is- a God?

... its one way of cleansing the gene pool!

 

[armedoldhippy]

... its one way of cleansing the gene pool!

pretty harsh way to raise the average IQ, but...whatever it takes.

 

[HempKat]

ah, lots of these room-temperature IQ clods would bow, scrape, and lick his feet if they saw him already . with his ego, why not shoot for the top?

Well really I was just kidding, sure he still has a lot of folks that think he's a god, but they are far fewer in number then what he had last Nov. and that wasn't enough to get him the Presidency, so I'm pretty confident God doesn't need to start looking for another job.

 

[moose eater]

... its one way of cleansing the gene pool!

Self-cleansing. The most morally righteous form of any cleansing.

 

[gaiusmarius]

this might intrest someone, specially the Canadians

Military leaders saw pandemic as unique opportunity to test propaganda on Canadians: report

https://nationalpost.com/news/natio...says/wcm/22733c97-39f0-4ba4-8a26-478af5e215f3

A plan devised by the Canadian Joint Operations Command relied on propaganda techniques similar to those employed during the Afghan war

Author of the article:
David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date:
Sep 27, 2021 • 1 day ago • 5 minute read

Canadian military leaders saw the pandemic as a unique opportunity to test out propaganda techniques on an unsuspecting public, a newly released Canadian Forces report concludes.


The federal government never asked for the so-called information operations campaign, nor did cabinet authorize the initiative developed during the COVID-19 pandemic by the Canadian Joint Operations Command, then headed by Lt.-Gen. Mike Rouleau.

But military commanders believed they didn’t need to get approval from higher authorities to develop and proceed with their plan, retired Maj.-Gen. Daniel Gosselin, who was brought in to investigate the scheme, concluded in his report.

The propaganda plan was developed and put in place in April 2020 even though the Canadian Forces had already acknowledged that “information operations and targeting policies and doctrines are aimed at adversaries and have a limited application in a domestic concept.”
A copy of the Dec. 2, 2020, Gosselin investigation, as well as other related documents, was obtained by this newspaper using the Access to Information law.

The plan devised by the Canadian Joint Operations Command, also known as CJOC, relied on propaganda techniques similar to those employed during the Afghanistan war. The campaign called for “shaping” and “exploiting” information. CJOC claimed the information operations scheme was needed to head off civil disobedience by Canadians during the coronavirus pandemic and to bolster government messages about the pandemic.

A separate initiative, not linked to the CJOC plan, but overseen by Canadian Forces intelligence officers, culled information from public social media accounts in Ontario. Data was also compiled on peaceful Black Lives Matter gatherings and BLM leaders. Senior military officers claimed that information was needed to ensure the success of Operation Laser, the Canadian Forces mission to help out in long-term care homes hit by COVID-19 and to aid in the distribution of vaccines in some northern communities.
BLM organizers have questioned why military officials gathered information on their initiative, pointing out they followed pandemic rules and did not hold any gatherings outside LTC homes.

Then chief of the defence Staff Gen. Jon Vance shut down the CJOC propaganda initiative after a number of his advisers questioned the legality and ethics behind the plan. Vance then brought in Gosselin to examine how CJOC was able to develop and launch the propaganda operation without approval.

Gosselin’s investigation discovered the plan wasn’t simply the idea of “passionate” military propaganda specialists, but support for the use of such information operations was “clearly a mindset that permeated the thinking at many levels of CJOC.” Those in the command saw the pandemic as a “unique opportunity” to test out such techniques on Canadians.

The views put forth by Rear Adm. Brian Santarpia, then CJOC’s chief of staff, summed up the command’s attitude, Gosselin noted in his report. “This is really a learning opportunity for all of us and a chance to start getting information operations into our (CAF-DND) routine,” the rear admiral stated.

The command saw the military’s pandemic response “as an opportunity to monitor and collect public information in order to enhance awareness for better command decision making,” Gosselin determined.

Gosselin also pointed out CJOC staff had a “palpable dismissive attitude” toward the advice and concerns raised by other military leaders.

The directive for the propaganda plan was issued by CJOC on April 8, 2020, but it took until May 2 of that year before Vance’s order to shut it down took effect.

Gosselin recommended a comprehensive review of Canadian Forces information operations policies and directives, particularly those that may impact any activities for domestic missions.

There is an ongoing debate inside national defence headquarters in Ottawa about the use of information operations techniques. Some public affairs officers, intelligence specialists and senior planners want to expand the scope of such methods in Canada to allow them to better control and shape government information that the public receives. Others inside headquarters worry that such operations could lead to abuses, including having military staff intentionally mislead the Canadian public or taking measures to target opposition MPs or those who criticize government or military policy.

Military propaganda training and initiatives within Canada over the last year have proved to be controversial.

The Canadian Forces had to launch an investigation after a September 2020 incident when military information operations staff forged a letter from the Nova Scotia government warning about wolves on the loose in a particular region of the province. The letter was inadvertently distributed to residents, prompting panicked calls to Nova Scotia officials who were unaware the military was behind the deception. The investigation determined the reservists conducting the operation lacked formal training and policies governing the use of propaganda techniques were not well understood by the soldiers.

Yet another review centred on the Canadian Forces public affairs branch and its activities. Last year, the branch launched a controversial plan that would have allowed military public affairs officers to use propaganda to change attitudes and behaviours of Canadians as well as to collect and analyze information from public social media accounts.

The plan would have seen staff move from traditional government methods of communicating with the public to a more aggressive strategy of using information warfare and influence tactics on Canadians. Included among those tactics was the use of friendly defence analysts and retired generals to push military PR messages and to criticize on social media those who raised questions about military spending and accountability.

The Canadian Forces also spent more than $1 million to train public affairs officers on behaviour modification techniques of the same sort used by the parent firm of Cambridge Analytica, the company implicated in a 2016 data-mining scandal to help Donald Trump’s U.S. presidential election campaign.

The initiative to change military public affairs strategy was abruptly shut down in November after this newspaper revealed details about the plan. A military investigation determined what the Canadian Forces public affairs leadership was doing was “incompatible with Government of Canada Communications Policy (and the) mission and principles of Public Affairs.” None of the public affairs leadership was disciplined for their actions.
Several months ago, Acting Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Wayne Eyre and DND deputy minister Jody Thomas acknowledged in an internal document that the various propaganda initiatives had gotten out of control. “Errors conducted during domestic operations and training, and sometimes insular mindsets at various echelons, have eroded public confidence in the institution,” noted a June 9, 2021, message signed by Eyre and Thomas. “This included the conduct of IO (Information Operations) on a domestic operation without explicit CDS/DM direction or authority to do so, as well as the unsanctioned production of reports that appeared to be aimed at monitoring the activities of Canadians.”

of course, im sure this wasnt being done anywhere else. no one was fear mongering to increases big pharma stock prices and governmental power over the citizens. no no, only in Canada, lol

 

[Switcher56]

Please don't point fingers. The entire planet is fucked. They are all in on this. If you didn't know that, it is time to wake up. The test run was H1N1. They have since refined the procedures. H1N1 wasn't even close to "viral". 1st outbreak Apr '09. Vaccine patent applied for Nov '08.

But what the hell do we know. We are conspiracy nut jobs!

 

[gaiusmarius]

Please don't point fingers. The entire planet is fucked. They are all in on this. If you didn't know that, it is time to wake up. The test run was H1N1. They have since refined the procedures. H1N1 wasn't even close to "viral". 1st outbreak Apr '09. Vaccine patent applied for Nov '08.

But what the hell do we know. We are conspiracy nut jobs!

Kim Iversen: Norway DROPS All Restrictions And Chooses To LIVE With Covid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ItkYhFiGBI


not everyone is bat shit crazy about covid anymore

 

[h.h.]

this might intrest someone, specially the Canadians

Military leaders saw pandemic as unique opportunity to test propaganda on Canadians: report

https://nationalpost.com/news/natio...says/wcm/22733c97-39f0-4ba4-8a26-478af5e215f3



of course, im sure this wasnt being done anywhere else. no one was fear mongering to increases big pharma stock prices and governmental power over the citizens. no no, only in Canada, lol

But why’d they lie about the wolves?

They were having discussions about propaganda and that was part of it. Nothing to do with big pharma.

 

[H.Marks]

Easy to understand no thank you.