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I need tips on making seeds

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tiedye420

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Great info beancounter, nice subject shmokin No wonder you didn't wanna bring a named strain into the subject. She looks too controversial ..(ouch)Sweet as heck I bet too..
I have only one little thing to say.(EDIT: one thing after another and another-ROFLMAO)
Use soil. In fact it is best to use a soil similar to the native one... Afghanis- sandy/slightly alkali... Tropicals- dark dense humus base...ect ect.... ALWAYS USE ORGANICS AT all cost.....full range nutes.(for example .PBP+ cal mag plus,liqid kharma ect. )& mollasses to replace sweet or carbo load type products.. (trace is unbeatable in mollasses)

Timing I prefer 2-3 weeks for indicas and 3-4 weks for sativas, Yes holding the females until the males are rippin is advisable....
Filters filters filters, spray spray spray.. COMPLETE scrubdown between sessions...
I myself prefer stacking one breed of males against what I want to breed the males to. This will enable a truebreeding session and multiple X's.. Hermie tested subjects only... I'm stacking kush's and urkle with my g-13 run this year....
I'll breed the g-13 pure, and also make trubreeds by using related subtypes within one genotype...regenerating some of these old kush cuts with afghani , and seeking phenotypes from the offspring... Should get really interesting....

It's what i call "shotgun breeding".. I forget what DJ's term for it is but he uses a similar method... Like he says- keep it around 5-6 types at most or it's way too confusing....One type male... The male of the cannabis species is less likely to carry hermaphroditic tendecys through unseen... Chose the males wisely...Always ditch the first flowering males..
Multiple males is best.... My original chocolate hashplant was made with an open pollenation of hashplants next to a huge colombian female, guerilla style with water tank and PVC pipe,bubblers or drip (interchangable) and a timer...Back in 1996...

The colombian still comes across strongly after much outcrossing and manipulation, and I still have hashplant phenotypes come across....I have one ready to cut now...
 
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tiedye420

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Yes this is a very good method of multiple selective breeding, I did it back in the 80's that way. I'm too lazy now and like a good OP... :lurk:
Be sure to use something like a wire twist for bread, and little tags...
Tag each branch with at least the pertinent male's info on it.Or you'll forget which is which, even though now you'll swear you can remember it... :chin:
Cure each branch seperatly or you'll have mixed seed.. I have quite a bit of that from my curing drawer...The ones that drop out get mixed... :yoinks:
Hope this furthur info helps you furthur.

Elevator Man said:
Here you go - mission accomplished - I hope. A big trash-bag over the plant, leaving the branches we selected exposed, then bagging/labelling each branch as we did them. I'll let you know in a few days whether it worked...;)
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hi everyone!

great thread :joint: Tie :wave: I'm surprised by the ditching the first males to show part, any chance of you explaining the reasons behind that? I never heard it before.

Love the advice about curing in a seperate jar when you selectively pollinate a female from different males. It would be hell to do all that work and then mix up all the seeds right at the end :yoinks: Thanks for the great tip!

Peace
 
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Brain

My first seed making project went great. I have about 300 dark seeds and another 300 lighter ones. I'm sure a few lighter ones will germ. The mail took a little longer than 3 weeks to shen pollen but it was only under a 15w floro the last 2 weeks. You guys weren't lying about it not taking alot of pollen to do the trick.

Thanks for all the help guys!!!!
 
facelift

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I need some pollen.

I thought I saved a couple branches from the males I had outdoors last year, but I checked my drawers, and can't locate it. I'm not running low on seeds, and have about 30 from a female hermi thing that happened about 8 months ago. So far I'm 6 for 6 in females with those seeds, and started 6 more 2 days ago.

Great info from you guys,

Back to the thread......
 
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guest123

beancounter said:
How far into flower should the female be to pollenated?

If you start males and fems into flower at the same time, the male will put out pollen long before any substantial buds form.. this will give you less, but generally larger and mostly ripe seed. Once pollination takes affect the plant stops making buds for the most part (indoors anyways) and unless it's a long flowering sativa, won't make much additional bud.

For the above reason I like to stagger my males, and put them into flower 2 weeks after the females.. Which roughly equates to pollination in the 3-4 wk of flower, depending on the males speed dropping pollen.. I find this gives me much more seeds overall, but slightly smaller (maybe 10%ish), and more immature seed at the end.. also, more smokable bud.

You can also pollinate preflowers on veg plants if you jus want a few seeds..

But if u have pollen ready, and are looking for seed production, i'd suggest pollinating at about 3-4 wks, which will give them exactly enough time to ripen in the 9 wk window..

If you jus want a few seeds, then it doesn't really matter when you do it, jus as long as you have about 30-40 days left and some white pistils.

How long does a male take to give pollen?

About 1.5-2wks IME for indica and hybrids, but it differs depending on how mature/healthy he is going into flower, and the strain of course. Sativas likely take longer..

Does making healthy seeds have any special fert requirments?

Not really, i'd feed at about 3/4 strength to full strength.. I find fully seeded plants don't need quite as much nutes, but a lightly seeded one will take full strength.

How long after pollenation does it take the seed to be ready?

Some people say faster, and in hydro or great conditions i'm sure it is faster.. but about 35-40 days IME, but i like to give it as long as possible to try to get any stragglers to mature.. but the majority will be ready in 40 days.

Any post harvest drying out of the seed?

Ok, if i take the seed off the plant as soon as it's dry (7-10 days hanging), I then like to put them on a plate, or bowl, one layer thick, and jus keep them in a warmer dry area exposed to the air for about 5-7 days.. maybe 70-75 degrees max..

But, if u dry and then cure your bud, and harvest the seed as you smoke the bud, there's no need to dry them at all.

Any other tips?

that's about it.. it's pretty simple.. you'll find your own preferences as you do it.

good luck.
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shhhh , now everyones gonna know ...... lol ...
 
sackoweed

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great thread!!! and some great info.. thanx for sharing.. peace..

sack
 
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dub 6

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So ive been blessed with a REZ Chem Haze Diesel male and female (not to mention a couple of nice GHS Cheese ladies). As the CHD male started bus'n nuts all over the place, i clipped the flowers and salvaged the pollen... Directing my first porno, i lightly dusted a few pistils on ONE branch of the CHD female and one of the Cheeses. I did this careful enough not to pollenated the other branches of my plants. About 20 mins later i noticed the pistils that were pollenated shriveled up leaving those on the other branches reaching for the sky. pregnant, yes!

my question is, being that one branch is prego, will the other branches stop focusing on the production of bud and divert the energy into the one branch making seed? FYI the prego branch is an outshoot branch.. nothing on top or anything. I still wanna end up with decent bud to smoke... ill post pics once i upload'm.
 
Sharp_Pain

Sharp_Pain

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The pollinated branches will "suck up" most of the energy as the plant will be doing what it does naturally....make seeds. The other branches will continue to flower as long as no pollen got onto their pistils.

I hope it all works out for you
 
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VirginHarvester

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Here's a question about pollinating outdoor. Lets say I have a male and female same strain and I have to produce some seeds and still have some decent bud. That's a problem because I can't control the flow of pollen to the female. But can I limit pollination by trimming the male down to just a few pollen sacks, like take all the branches or just cut the pollen flowers off all the way up the plant and leave a few pollen flowers, maybe 5-6 sacks or something? In other words I'm trying to produce lightly seeded plants that give me both some seed and still pretty decent smoke. Any thoughts on that?
 
Pirate

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VirginHarvester said:
Here's a question about pollinating outdoor. Lets say I have a male and female same strain and I have to produce some seeds and still have some decent bud. That's a problem because I can't control the flow of pollen to the female. But can I limit pollination by trimming the male down to just a few pollen sacks, like take all the branches or just cut the pollen flowers off all the way up the plant and leave a few pollen flowers, maybe 5-6 sacks or something? In other words I'm trying to produce lightly seeded plants that give me both some seed and still pretty decent smoke. Any thoughts on that?
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NO. You will need to remove the male and isolate him. even 1 nut sac can give you a shit load of seeds. I would isolate the male in a soil filled bucket / indoors or in a covered tent of some sort outsdie. Harvest the pollen and then do "Targeted Pollination". See my post above.
 
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