I have some sick plants, I need help please.

[MynameStitch]

stich i see you a lot around here and i read a lot of threads you post in and i always like what you have to say, ya know. i know you know your shit thats why i listen to you advice you give people (not me directly but stuff said to others) and it is right on the money i respect you as a knowledgable cannabis cultivator.

but......in this case i have to disagree with you and even ask how you could even say something like "liquid light does alot like what superthrive does" i even typed out the bottle for you guys here and you still say camparable to superthrive?? did you read the bottle i posted. you must not have. if you did i have to say i think you need to be a little more open minded.

Liquid light is one of the best things to come along EVER since seaweed extract. it gives results that will make you jaw hit the floor overnight!!

and there is not a trace of vitamin B or NAA in it at all.

ITRENZIK HEY, i cant get pics to work for me so you have to do this mission.

spray you plants with liqiud light and snap some shots before you spray and then snap some the nest day after you sprayed. and post them. please! non users of this product NEED to see this stuff in action first hand to know what we are talking about. i know you feel me brother.lmao

but......in this case i have to disagree with you and even ask how you could even say something like "liquid light does alot like what superthrive does" i even typed out the bottle for you guys here and you still say camparable to superthrive?? did you read the bottle i posted. you must not have. if you did i have to say i think you need to be a little more open minded.

I mean, as terms of vitamins, not as how superthrive works, like the vitamins and minerals it has in it, should have worded what I said a little better

No worries dude, I am glad peeps would disagree with me if they see I say something wrong man, honestly; I would not like it if peeps agreed with me even when I am wrong, I would really get angry about that if peeps always agreed with me even if I was wrong.

 

[intrenzik]

Pep- any ideas on what the hell is infecting my plant, its definitely getting worse the entire leaf is yellow now and the brown spots are getting bigger...

 

[Guest]

I dont really....

other than going back to basics....

which dont include liquid light and surfactant..

 

[MynameStitch]

I can tell you what is going on, but I don't have time to explain it right now, will do so in the morning, there are a few things that must be done in order to fix this problem.

I will agree with pepe, I would first stop using so many additives and go back to basics.

How long ago did this start to happen? Your problem, how long has it been going on and where at on the plant did the problem start first?

 

[intrenzik]

The yellowing started on leaves on the bottom 1/3 of the plant. Okay well I dont have to work tomorrow so I look forward to hearing what is wrong. The problem started about 3 weeks to a month ago. I went in the room tonight and noticed that some of the leaves were curling down a lot almost to the point to where they made a complete circle with themselves... isn't the leaves doing weird things a PH problem? Well I think it is if I remember right and so I checked my res which is R/O 25ppm water with the organic tea in it. Now the water in my other res is just plain R/O water and that has a PH of 6.2 and the res with the tea is at 7.1 now I was told by the people at the grow store that after you add this tea to the res that it will raise it....and not to add anything else after the tea has been added, except the nutes of course right before you water. I'm guessing this is why the leaves have curled under so bad...what do u think?

 

[MynameStitch]

Your plants have not had a stable pH environment weather it was short or long term and this is causing problems. I have never seen a plant show problems with veins that was not pH related and if it's pH related your whole problems are stemmed from this.

As for the liquid light, are you using as per directions on the back of the box?
When this problem started were you using ALL the nutrients you were using now?
Your problem almost exhibits a mangense problem, but those are so rare......
If that is in fact the problem then your pH has got to be out of wack,

How often were you treating your plants with neem oil? did you spray parts of the plant with more neem where an infection was heavier?


Ok so I am not confused here, how often are you using your dutch master grow bloom and how often are you using your tea?
What dosages are you using with them.

 

[intrenzik]

Stitch- yes I am following the directions on the box for the liquid light.

Yes I have been using the same stuff the whole time, and the only thing that has changed is the nutes strength which has never been above 500ppm in the grow or bloom mixture.

I don't own any PH up or down haven't since I started this grow. Now don't go thinking that I don't PH my water because I do, I use a hanna combo meter to do so and I calibrate it once a week. The reason I dont own any is because I was told if I use this tea once I add it to my res, I am not able to adjust PH at all or it will kill the live organisms... The PH of the water before I add the tea is 6.2...

When I was using the neem...I have stopped now. I covered all the plants evenly, and definitly didn't focus on a certain area. I sprayed them 2x a week.


Okay the tea is already in my res so it is in the water when I mix my nutes and when I flush. I feed with the DM once a week @500ppm in bloom...I use various strengths but nothing stronger than 500ppm in my veg room and flush once a week... When I flush I use the tea, I was told that the tea would help flush the dirt better than just water? The tea is mixed at 1 gal of tea to 25 gal of water.


I'm not sure if you know this, but just to cover it again... the plant with the leaf problem is in veg and is about a month old, I have seven plants total (not including the 6 Afgooey cuttings I just got ) none of the other 6 have anything like this going on.

 

[intrenzik]

Any ideas guys...

 

[MynameStitch]

This is only affecting one plant right? Is this the one that is a different strain from all the rest? If so then this strain is being touchy to your growing conditions...... it's taking in something through the veins it's not liking, weather it's too much of something, so like pep has said I stand by what he also said, something is causing this to happen.


The reason I dont own any is because I was told if I use this tea once I add it to my res, I am not able to adjust PH at all or it will kill the live organisms... The PH of the water before I add the tea is 6.2...

Who the hell told you this?
this is NOT true from what I have read, it's like that with h202 yes... but pH up and down like the ones from GH..... no that is not true.
I also found out when you foliar feed or spray you need to make sure your stuff is pH adjusted before you spray it on there......

The one that is showing this problem, it may be lacking because of the leaves veins being affected. If you notice, the only leaf being affected is the one that has the dots in the veins.

Is that side of the plant normally on a side that does not get enough light? Where something sits on the leaf?

 

[intrenzik]

Stitch- yes the one being affected is a different strain...for the last 2 weeks I have just been giving that one water with tea and thats it...no foliar or anything and its getting worse, a lot worse. Almost the entire plant is affected by it, I took some pics to show you what it looks like now, also where it sits in the room ...theres nothing around it really and the whole plant gets pretty good light.

The last picture that I attached is of my Celestial Temple in veg...the tips and the outter edge of the leaves is turning almost a white color...is this another PH thing or is the white color something else?

All the plants I have in flower are doing good now...So if this is a PH problem it's not affecting any of the 4 plants in flower?

 

[ilife]

By chance are using a Hydro Hut?

If so that is your problem, they are infected from the factory in China.


iLiFE

 

[MynameStitch]

The one that is affected, feed her she is hungry then if you have not fed her for a few weeks, I Was trying to decide wth is going on and it looks like a mixture of 2 different problems.

As for the white edges, that looks like left over nutrient burn or a little bit nute burn that did not affect the leaves. That is old dead tissue and is very common on plants with too much nutrients at one point. I am not saying now, but in the past when they were in vegging.

All strains react differently to pH Ranges, nutrients, the amount of light and so forth, that is why I was asking if that was the only one being affected, while your other strains are not.

 

[intrenzik]

No Hydrohut... bedrooms lined with panda plastic

Ya I think this one is just being tough, the rest of all my girls are doing good. I might just kill her instead of wasting money on different things for one girl... I dunno i'll try to feed her and see what happens...

 

[MynameStitch]

I have seen that not all strains can tolerate certain nutrients, I have seen it a lot of times man, but whatever is causing it, like pepe said its being uptaked in the veins and
causing the problem within the leaf, those veins in those leaves have problems, the leaves will show the problem as well. I would like to know what you do with it soon too, so please keep me informed

 

[intrenzik]

I just got some info that might answer my problems that I have been having... A DM rep told my local grow shop that they were having some issues with the GOLD nutrients, now what kind of problems I dunno but I have contacted the company and im waiting for a return so I will get to the bottom of this... Thank you all for your help and ideas and when I get this figured out I will let you know the outcome whether it's death to the poor girl or the solution, so we can all learn from this.

 

[intrenzik]

Well... what I thought was the problem was not, my local grow store told me that the Dutch master rep told them that they were having some problems with their GOLD line. So I thought this was the problem but the rep informed me that if I got a bad batch then all plants would be affected. Okay now I am only having problems with the one plant, all the rest of mine look good. The problem has changed now, instead of the leaf yellowing and then the spots and then the browning which is what it was doing before. It now is getting the brown spots and then they increase in size and the leaf dries up and dies the yellowing is barely there now See pics.


Okay when I started this thread I was having some PH problems, i'll try to describe the problem the best I can. Ok my R/O water had a PH of 6.1-6.2 I would add my organic tea into the res and aerate it. Now I was told not to adjust PH after the tea had been added to the res, the mixture was good for 10-14 days. Now around day 10 the PH of the res was anywhere from 7.0-7.5 So to fix the problem I now hand mix everything right before I water, the nutes and the tea and it seems to be working quite well.

 

[MynameStitch]

Now I was told not to adjust PH after the tea had been added to the res, the mixture was good for 10-14 days. Now around day 10 the PH of the res was anywhere from 7.0-7.5 So to fix the problem I now hand mix everything right before I water, the nutes and the tea and it seems to be working quite well.

Who told you not to adjust the pH after mixing your teas?

Your problems are most definatly caused by pH problems though

 

[intrenzik]

The master grower @ my local growstore told me not to adjust PH after the tea was added to the res...she knows her shit

The problem i'm having in the pictures is definitly not a PH problem, I know for a fact that my PH is good right around 6.1 at all times and my water I foliar feed with is PH'd as well

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude, read my sig, that is one example of how hydro shop owners don't know shit.

Alright man, if you think it's not a pH problem, I think the plants are telling me something different...... something is causing a lockout, cause you should not be having any problems with the nutrients you are using.

 

[DirtDoctor]

Neem Oil can lead to some seriously ugly leaf damage. Make the switch to floramite, and half your ugly leaf issues will go away.

around day 10 the PH of the res was anywhere from 7.0-7.5

yeah, that's just ugly. I wouldn't listen to that "master grower" any more!

In fact, with Sunshine Mix & the "Gold" nutes, I'd recommend a pH of 6.0