I have some sick plants, I need help please.

[intrenzik]

I having some trouble figuring out whats going on with my girls, so I figure i'll turn it over to you guys and see whats happens. I have listed as much as I can think of for now i'm sure there is something I missed I have also included some pics of what is going on hope this is enough detail.




SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? The bigger plants are G-13 mixed with grapefruit the 2 smaller plants are Celestial temple sativa and a bagseed any guesses on this one??
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)The G13's were another guys and he went to jail so I adopted the girls
What is the age of your plants?The G13's are about 2 and 1/2 months and the smaller bagseed is about a month and the sativa is about 3 weeks
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?G13 are in flower the others are in veg
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)Top twice and spread them apart and stake emm up when they get heavy
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)2gal, 5gal, 10gal, 25gal
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)sunshine #4 with about 1/4 chunky munkey
What Nutrient's are you using? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*dutchmaster gold grow/bloom I am also using Organics alive tea and the organics alive top feed, I also Foliar Feed every 3rd day with dutch master liquid light
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?flower is 600 and veg 450
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"bagseed plant is 6.8 the other 3 are 6.2-6.3
What method of pH test was administered?HannaCombo
When was your last water?1/28 flower got just water
When was your last feeding?1/28 veg got nutes
What size bulb are you using?1000mh/hps
What is the distance to the canopy?2-3ft
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)30% in both rooms im working on this... anyone know of a good humidifier for my veg room? The room measures 12x8x8 and what I have figured out so far is that I don't want one that used a filter I want one that creates a mist and is filter less with a large reservoir preferably
What is the canopy temperature?73-80
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)73-75 / 63-66
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)1 18" wall fan
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?yes
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?I dont let it completly go dry if thats what its asking??
Is your water HARD or SOFT?My water is R/O 26ppm
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? I top twice and I prune a week before flower and 2 weeks into flower, I clone what I prune.
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?Neem oil for the last 3 weeks for spider mites
Are plant's infected with pest's? I am treating a spider mite problem that is pretty much under control I haven't seen any infests for about 2 weeks. I'll see one here and there but have been spraying with neem oil and im going to get some floramite tomorrow.
These girls are under 24light 1600mh in veg and 2000w in flower, now some of you might have noticed that I have MH bulbs in my flowering room, this is because I run MH bulbs for the first 3 weeks to keep them from taking off, seems to work pretty well.
CO2 brought up to 1500ppm 2 times a day in the veg and the generator keeps the flower room @ 1800ppm
PH of the sunshine is 6.5

 

[MynameStitch]

The G13's were another guys and he went to jail so I adopted the girls

Man, lol that is funny the way you said you adopted them, not because the guy went to jail......

25 gallon? Is that a typo??

How much of each nutrient are you using? How often are you using it?
The picture you posted of the leaves, did that come from the top part of the plant?
2 feet is very very close for a 1,000 watter, I would move it up, the leaves in the picture is light bleaching, but there is something else wrong, the spotting in the veins is not caused from the light, but due to something else....... the leaves in the picture, did those come off the plant with the pH value of 6.2 and 6.3?
That is too low for soil, you need to bring it up past 6.5 or up to 6.5 to 7.0
The spotting in the veins signifies a pH problem most of the time.

Your night time temps need to be up, colder temps make it harder for nutrinets to be absorbed and the plant slows it's metabolisum down when it's cold so they don't take in as much nutrients which could lead to burning sometimes.

temps don't let them drop below 70. If you were in later flowering you could keep them colder but you are not in mid/late flowering.

the 2nd picture you posted is caused by heat stress, move the light up.

It looks like it may be some burning along with some pH issues going on... first need more information and then we can help ya out more.

 

[Guest]

The closeup of the single leaf is a clear indication the ph is too low....

the necrotic spots are along the veins....a clear indication there are too many metals available and are toxic.....

raise the ph.....

 

[intrenzik]

Hello guys thanks for tuning in, okay well the close up pic is the bag seed plant and that one had a runoff PH of 6.7-7.0 the rest of my girls were @ 6.2-6.5 runoff. Ya I'm a proud foster parent lol. The 25gal is not a typo im using the rubber maid containers the have the rope handles on each side for picnics and shit, im pretty sure there right around 25gal? The pics of the twisting leaves are about 4-6 inches for the top, I feed DM Gold every other watering @500ppm the PH is around 6.5 and just the organic tea every other watering. Hope I didn't miss anything, thanks guys!

 

[Guest]

ONe thing I dont quite get....

In the pic you show some pretty bad tip burn....

how does that happen at 500ppm?

I also dont think foliar feeding is such a good idea unless you are treating a micronutrient problem....

Is there a chance your foliar usage is causing your leaf issues????

 

[MynameStitch]

I will most definatly agree with pepe here, there is no way those plants are getting 500PPM....

You stated

What Nutrient's are you using? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*dutchmaster gold grow/bloom I am also using Organics alive tea and the organics alive top feed, I also Foliar Feed every 3rd day with dutch master liquid light

That is a lot of food man, even if you use a small dosage of each, I will also agree with pepe about the foliar feeding as well.

That plant is burned for one and has pH issues.... what amount of each are you using with how much water..... 500 PPM is not telling us much, 1 tsp per gallon of each? How much of each one?

Do you use them all everytime you feed?

 

[Guest]

This picture is very clear ...

the plant is eating something thats toxic....

when it hits leaf tissue it kills it...

Typically its caused by low ph and toxic metals....

and if you orient the leaf to gravity you will find the spots on the dowhill part of the vein....

 

[intrenzik]

ok well I have 2 55 gal containers, one fills with R/O water while the other is mixed for nutrients. Now when I say mixed I mean it's got the organic tea in it, I mix this 25:1gal. Now because I am using a perpetual harvest I don't mix my nutes all at once, I hand mix them in a 5 gal bucket for what ever plants i'm watering. Ok my res with the tea in it is right around 50ppm. I fill a 5 gal bucket and put 1 1/2 tbsp of both part A & B for either grow or bloom and that brings that mix up to around 500ppm. I was told by the manufacture of the tea to use all nutes at half strength, which is why I have them at 500ppm which I know is accurate by the way I have a fairly new HannaCombo that is very accurate and I do know how to use it and it was just calibrated. As far as the foliar feeding, i'm pretty sure that is not the problem because if it was wouldn't the problem be everywhere that the spray is applied not just the bottom leaves? Also the liquid light is just a light enhancer it somehow lets the plant absorb more light... all I know is that I can spray the with the lights on using the penetrator and when I look at them the next day the leaves are pointing straight at the lights its crazy they fucking love the stuff, I really dont think its the FF???

Pepe- what am I giving them thats toxic? or where are the metals coming from? My PH numbers really arent that bad, you said earlier to raise the PH but the runoff PH of the yellow leaf is 6.7-7.0 isnt any higher not a good thing? I'm not trying to argue, im just trying to understand and hopefully fix this problem with out anymore problems.

Thanks for all your help so far

 

[Guest]

I would agree about your ph....

If its accurate...

Normally this is seen in older leaves... but since the leaf you took a pic of has 7 fingers its probably not that old...

how many leaves are doing this.... are you getting more leaves with this type toxicity...

Toxicity like this often takes some time to show up.....young leaves may not have been exposed long enough to show the problem....

You are also probably right about the foliar feeding.....this toxicity probably comes thru the roots because the leaf veins appear to be delivering the toxic agent.....

 

[MynameStitch]

I don't mix my nutes all at once, I hand mix them in a 5 gal bucket for what ever plants i'm watering.

This is a huge problem here, because depending on how small your plants are, or how big, depending on when yo mixed them and the amount the plants could be burned or not have enough food. Mixing in nutrients only works for when you are in hydro and should only be done so when you need to do a system change.

Letting them sit in there for a long time can cause problems.
THat is a very bad idea what you are doing, it will trigger so many problems it's not even funny.

Given the fact you are both foliar feeding and feeding is also a problem, foliar feeding does not work well, except for micros like pepe has said. Stop foliar feeding for now and just feed them normally.

If I missed this I am sorry, you said you foliar feed every 3 days, then if you are foliar feeding them, how often are you feeding them when you water them?>

When you do, do you give them plain water in between feedings?

 

[intrenzik]

The pics I took will show you that the problem with the yellowing is getting worse and there is something new showing up on one of the leaves just some browning with no yellowing. But the G13's are looking pretty good all the new growth looks very healthy does that mean that the problem is fixed or can some problems just on the bottom of the plant? The Celestial Temple plant also has something new on it... some light bleaching I think?

Pep- I took some pics tonight that will answer most of your questions, and thank you for confirming those other things.

Stitch- This is a huge problem here, because depending on how small your plants are, or how big, depending on when yo mixed them and the amount the plants could be burned or not have enough food. Mixing in nutrients only works for when you are in hydro and should only be done so when you need to do a system change.

Then how do you water a perpetual dirt grow with a grow and a veg room with out hand mixing the nutes some how?

Letting them sit in there for a long time can cause problems.
THat is a very bad idea what you are doing, it will trigger so many problems it's not even funny.

I'm not sure what you are referring to by them? and where are they sitting? you confused me on this one : /


Given the fact you are both foliar feeding and feeding is also a problem, foliar feeding does not work well, except for micros like pepe has said. Stop foliar feeding for now and just feed them normally.

Well I don't think that liquid light is actually foliar feeding because there are no nutrients being added by the spray... it is a light enhancer that simply allows the plant to utuilize more of the light. I mean correct me if im wrong but thats what I have been told.

As far as the last 2 questions I water 2x a week one with nutrients and one with out

 

[Guest]

liquid light i use it and man it soes some crazy shit to the plants like he said next day all the leaves are pointing straight up torward the lights awsome. what it baaically is is carbohydrates and some micro and secondary nutes in a ratio that is supposed to "super charge the chloroplasts into light processing powerhouses" LIQUID LIGHT
foiliar nutrient

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
total nitrogen [N]:.......................0.150%
0.11% Nitrate nitrogen
0.4% ammonical nitrogen
Available Phosphoric acid [P?O?]....1.10%
Soluble Potash [K2O]....................2.7%
Cakcium [Ca]..............................0.05%
Magnesium [Mg]..........................0.29%
Su;pher ................................0.08%
Iron [Fe]....................................0.003%
0.003% Chelated Iron
Zinc [Zn]...................................0.003%
0.003% Chelated zinc


DERIVED FROMotassium nitrate, Mono Amonnium Phosphate, Potassium Sulphate, mono potassium phosphate, Magnesium Sulphate, Calcium nitrate, Zinc EDTA, Iron EDTA.

and penetrator has some very very minimal nutrients in it. spots on the leaves might be caused by not using liqiud light WITh penetrator.if you dont it will casue wierd spotting even if you dont use enough penetrator it will casue the spotting you need exactly 60 ml of PENETRATOR per final leter of LIQUID LIGHT for a litre of water you add 60 ml of liqiud light and 60 ml of penetrator. you could use less liquid light if you want to liike 50-55 ml per liter but always 60 ml of penetrator no matter how much LL you use.

i think liquid light is one of the best products to come along in a long while. i font get excited bout any hydro/cannabis nutes or enhancers at all, i always say "yeah right they better make the plants talk to me for that price, or for what they are claiming" but man ohh man liquid light and penetrator used all the way from the 2nd week till the 4th week of bloom gives you some phat gigantic buds tight and dense as all hell. even with just somthing like GH flora series alone just Grow, Micro, & Bloom with a little cal mag maybe. or just pbp alone with LL & PEN. give outstanding results its pricey though $60 for the quart of LIQUID LIGHT and $30 for the PENETRATOR. lucky for me the guy at the store (close friend gave me 3 pint sized sample botles of eaxh Liq. light and pen. 1500ml each free. and when the gold comes hes gone hook me up with a set of A&B grow and A&B bloom

needless to say they value my opinion.

cool thing any hydro store that is an authorized Dutch Master Dealer could call up and get a couple cartons of pint sized LL & PEN. to give out i had the guy at my local store call up and get some (he was oblivious to the fact he could do so [ lotta pills ] till i told him) and voila he gave me a whole carton.

 

[intrenzik]

Nice, ya I love the stuff. I definitely use the penetrator with it as well. You can also use the penetrator as a spreader/sticker as for anything.

 

[MynameStitch]

Then how do you water a perpetual dirt grow with a grow and a veg room with out hand mixing the nutes some how?


You said you already have your nutrients pre mixed and sitting in a bucket right?
If so then this is a problem, when you first start a grow if you mixed your nutrients that when the plants were bigger and used them on smaller plants you may end up burning them.

When you said you foliar feed you confused me then, because you mixed it in with your nutrients you listed so I assumed you were foliar feeding with nutrients. I would not use the liquid light so often really.... sounds like something superthrive does but more.

 

[Guest]

stich i see you a lot around here and i read a lot of threads you post in and i always like what you have to say, ya know. i know you know your shit thats why i listen to you advice you give people (not me directly but stuff said to others) and it is right on the money i respect you as a knowledgable cannabis cultivator.

but......in this case i have to disagree with you and even ask how you could even say something like "liquid light does alot like what superthrive does" i even typed out the bottle for you guys here and you still say camparable to superthrive?? did you read the bottle i posted. you must not have. if you did i have to say i think you need to be a little more open minded.

Liquid light is one of the best things to come along EVER since seaweed extract. it gives results that will make you jaw hit the floor overnight!!

and there is not a trace of vitamin B or NAA in it at all.

ITRENZIK HEY, i cant get pics to work for me so you have to do this mission.

spray you plants with liqiud light and snap some shots before you spray and then snap some the nest day after you sprayed. and post them. please! non users of this product NEED to see this stuff in action first hand to know what we are talking about. i know you feel me brother.lmao

 

[intrenzik]

Stitch- Some where along the line you got confused again because my nutes are not premixed sitting in the bucket... that would definitely burn the shit out of little ones or not be enough for the big guys so I agree with you there. But this is not case with me, like I said I hand mix all my nutes in a 5 gal bucket. Now what you probably read was that I mix my organic tea in my res so that is always in the mix but no nutes. I apologize for confusing you about the FF as well.

Evil- well the pics I posted yesterday were the 3rd day without the spray and I sprayed them last night after the pics, so I will take some pics of the girls when the lights come on after the super bowl and post them, k.

 

[intrenzik]

oh yea one more thing, flushing with the tea is actually better than just plain water because the live microbes and what not eat all the salts and clean shit up real nice Does anyone know what strain my bagseed plant might be? Thats the one havin the yellow leaf problem.


heres a pic of it

 

[intrenzik]

Okay just got home from watching the game and :jawdrop:holy shit thats the best super bowl I have seen in years!! Well I took some pics to give you an idea what the girls look like after a spray of this stuff

 

[view2athrill]

Paging Morticia Adams!

Paging Morticia Adams!

God, those soooo look like the plants Morticia Adams took care of in the conservatory! Remember, how she would pet and talk to them?!? Loved that show....

Anyway, what is it that's wrong with them? I'm new to the growing scene myself, so I was just wondering....are they sativas?

 

[intrenzik]

View- well... some of them are, the G13's are and the celestial temple is to the other one is indica. You should read the thread and you'll have a pretty good idea as to whats going on with them.