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I dug too deep I think
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Neongreen,
Your plant that is 2nd from the bottom looks just like one a friend got out of peak seeds mixed pack. The leaf stem is dark purple and the ridges on the main stem are purple and celery shaped. The side branches haven't taken off yet just like his as well. The only difference is your nodes are closer together. I'd be curious to know more about the strain. I see it is trainwreck I'm just trying to figure out of peakseedsbc's offerings which one it is. I wanted to try that horizontal planting this year it just didn't work out. Looks like you did a great job with it. Congrats.
jake
Your plant that is 2nd from the bottom looks just like one a friend got out of peak seeds mixed pack. The leaf stem is dark purple and the ridges on the main stem are purple and celery shaped. The side branches haven't taken off yet just like his as well. The only difference is your nodes are closer together. I'd be curious to know more about the strain. I see it is trainwreck I'm just trying to figure out of peakseedsbc's offerings which one it is. I wanted to try that horizontal planting this year it just didn't work out. Looks like you did a great job with it. Congrats.
jake
Nicely done neongreen, seems like your burying activities have been paying off. Looking forward to seeing how things progress.
jake - thanks.
That plant is Trainwreck#2. Both Trainwrecks came from S1 seeds made by Jojo a few years back, using one of the Trainwreck clones. Both plants I got are very different in their traits, Trainwreck#2 being allot taller/skinnier, with almost no side branching, and having more rounded/more leaf lobes per leaf.
The leaves are also darker green, thicker and waxy compared to Trainwreck#1.
14 lobes!
Didn't want to do much indoors, and at one point I was contemplating not bothering with her any more! Good job I was curious about what she would do outside, and given a bit of encouragement to grow her side shoots. Tall thin plants like this pheno seem ideal for layering.
I think she is showing traits that her ancestors had, which was a surprise since most who grew these S1s said the results were consistent. Trainwreck#1 seems more like the description of the real deal.. weak stems, and more creeper like, at least compared to Trainwreck#2!
Good luck if you get to give it a go next year.
Thanks Snap. It seems so. The plants certainly seem to love it!
Here are some more pics I took earlier on.
Taskenti
You can see the layers better in these shots
Trainwreck#1
Trainwreck#2
I also topped all the remaining girls today. Should have done it yesterday really!
I've been thinking, that as they grow, I'll carry on piling soil on to a couple of them, and see how that affects them/yeild. The only problem is that most of the trench where the soil is dug/amended is already spoken for, so I would have to dig up and amend another trench, which is going to be difficult to do properly with the amount of time left. But I suppose its worth a go. At least it wouldn't have to be a very big trench.
I'll certainly cover all of the main stems that are showing right now once there is enough foliage off the ground.
Which plants should I pick though? Ideas, suggestions, and comments welcome!
There are also some small side shoots on what used to be the bottom of TW#2 which haven't taken off, so I'm thinking about snipping those off and covering over with soil in the next day or two.
Edit - I think it would also be a good idea to put sand (horticultural grade sharp sand) underneath the plant.. the extra reflected light should give a little boost while the plants are still close to the ground. I hope anyway!
That plant is Trainwreck#2. Both Trainwrecks came from S1 seeds made by Jojo a few years back, using one of the Trainwreck clones. Both plants I got are very different in their traits, Trainwreck#2 being allot taller/skinnier, with almost no side branching, and having more rounded/more leaf lobes per leaf.
The leaves are also darker green, thicker and waxy compared to Trainwreck#1.
14 lobes!
Didn't want to do much indoors, and at one point I was contemplating not bothering with her any more! Good job I was curious about what she would do outside, and given a bit of encouragement to grow her side shoots. Tall thin plants like this pheno seem ideal for layering.
I think she is showing traits that her ancestors had, which was a surprise since most who grew these S1s said the results were consistent. Trainwreck#1 seems more like the description of the real deal.. weak stems, and more creeper like, at least compared to Trainwreck#2!
Good luck if you get to give it a go next year.
Thanks Snap. It seems so. The plants certainly seem to love it!
Here are some more pics I took earlier on.
Taskenti
You can see the layers better in these shots
Trainwreck#1
Trainwreck#2
I also topped all the remaining girls today. Should have done it yesterday really!
I've been thinking, that as they grow, I'll carry on piling soil on to a couple of them, and see how that affects them/yeild. The only problem is that most of the trench where the soil is dug/amended is already spoken for, so I would have to dig up and amend another trench, which is going to be difficult to do properly with the amount of time left. But I suppose its worth a go. At least it wouldn't have to be a very big trench.
I'll certainly cover all of the main stems that are showing right now once there is enough foliage off the ground.
Which plants should I pick though? Ideas, suggestions, and comments welcome!
There are also some small side shoots on what used to be the bottom of TW#2 which haven't taken off, so I'm thinking about snipping those off and covering over with soil in the next day or two.
Edit - I think it would also be a good idea to put sand (horticultural grade sharp sand) underneath the plant.. the extra reflected light should give a little boost while the plants are still close to the ground. I hope anyway!
Yeah little j. It's a bit like cloning without the clones (or time it takes to establish them). Each layer is like having another identical plant, but without increasing plant numbers, which is great for peace of mind.
I'd like to see this tried with pots. I think it could work quite well although I think you'd have to tie the pots together to keep from uprooting anything.
I'd like to see this tried with pots. I think it could work quite well although I think you'd have to tie the pots together to keep from uprooting anything.
Thanks randude.
The past few days have been a mixture of sunshine and rain. Not the best weather, but water storage bins are full
Pics from earlier on today
Trench 1
At the rate the Blowfish is growing there's a real danger that it'll overwhelm and shade out the Trainwreck
I'm really starting to regret planting Trainwreck#1 (on the right) so close to the Blowfish!
Any ideas? suggestions?
The camera battery died before I could get any shots of the Blowfish on it's own, but I managed to get shots of all the others.
Trainwreck#1
Trainwreck#2
Taskenti
One branch has decided to die on me, but the rest all look fine. I'm thinking it must be a pest in the soil? Anyone seen this before?
The past few days have been a mixture of sunshine and rain. Not the best weather, but water storage bins are full
Pics from earlier on today
Trench 1
At the rate the Blowfish is growing there's a real danger that it'll overwhelm and shade out the Trainwreck
I'm really starting to regret planting Trainwreck#1 (on the right) so close to the Blowfish!
Any ideas? suggestions?
The camera battery died before I could get any shots of the Blowfish on it's own, but I managed to get shots of all the others.
Trainwreck#1
Trainwreck#2
Taskenti
One branch has decided to die on me, but the rest all look fine. I'm thinking it must be a pest in the soil? Anyone seen this before?
Can't help with the dead branch, looking damn good though. That layering seems to be doing the trick, they are like little hedges!
bongcritter
Member
Looks good neongreen...I wish mine were as far along as yours, haha...
I like how you are bending like that, looks like an indoor scrog...but its outdoor!! lol i like it
I like how you are bending like that, looks like an indoor scrog...but its outdoor!! lol i like it
Hi Ng, good stuff goin on there man! You weren't messin around digging those holes, eh? lol good for you, it should pay off in the end. Looks like they should turn into some real bushy bushes when they geat big! I think I'm gonna tag along and see how they turn out for ya. Good luck! BC
J
JackTheGrower
Good Show!
Good Show!
Wow and I have missed reading it before but not any more.. Got my virtual 3D's on.
Hey I agree on the pest that is a lack of fluids.. My guess is it's broken under there some how..
This adds to keeping our grows low outside. I wish I had an outdoor spot so I'm jealous.
Props!
Hey I thought to share a term I read in one of my gardening books.
http://www.endtimesreport.com/french_intensive_gardening.html
That's what I think you are doing,, French intensive.
If I could do a row I would screen the soil from the trench to remove rocks and things then mix and replace. Perhaps the rocks could go low in the trench to create a layer between the clay and the mix above?
Now that I see your thread what you are doing is what I will try first when I can grow in the Sun.
Damn whole lot of fun Sir!
Jack
Good Show!
Wow and I have missed reading it before but not any more.. Got my virtual 3D's on.
Hey I agree on the pest that is a lack of fluids.. My guess is it's broken under there some how..
This adds to keeping our grows low outside. I wish I had an outdoor spot so I'm jealous.
Props!
Hey I thought to share a term I read in one of my gardening books.
http://www.endtimesreport.com/french_intensive_gardening.html
That's what I think you are doing,, French intensive.
If I could do a row I would screen the soil from the trench to remove rocks and things then mix and replace. Perhaps the rocks could go low in the trench to create a layer between the clay and the mix above?
Now that I see your thread what you are doing is what I will try first when I can grow in the Sun.
Damn whole lot of fun Sir!
Jack
Thanks bongcritter. I know exactly how you feel. Considering the plants are around 4 months old, and should already be monsters I'm actually a little disappointed. Mainly due to my poor attempts to veg them indoors!
Thankfully they seem to love it outdoors, and are making up for my indoor screw ups!
Good luck with yours. I'm sure they'll really start to take off soon.
Hey BC,
Thanks for the kind words.
I'd have liked to have dug a bit more to be honest, but I have to keep reminding myself that big plants are going to stick out a mile! One day I'll find somewhere where I can grow unrestricted I hope.
Glad to have you aboard BC!
Edit:
Hey Jack,
Missed you while I was typing!
Thanks man, yeah this has been my most fun grow so far. I'm loving it outdoors, and the trenches, and combining that with true organics...
That French intensive method is uncannily like what I'm doing. Thanks for the link! Very interesting! It's made me think twice about my watering strategy (or lack of it!) for starters.
I actually did screen quite allot of the soil for large stones. I started off with a fine screen, but that was really hard going lol (not only that, but I was running out of time), so I got a larger screen. The trenches are a verity of soil textures.
I'm not so sure a layer of rocks on top of the clay would be a great idea, but I see what your thinking is behind that. I suppose a fairly "loose" layer of rocks couldn't hurt - I'd be worried about shoveling soil on top and the layer compacting, although I'm not sure how valid that worry is.
When I dug, I tried to loosen up that layer as much as possible to try and help the roots penetrate it, although I don't know if I got deep enough, and if it had enough sand/grit to make a real difference. It was quite hard to go any deeper and find out how deep that layer was, with the size of trench and way I dug it. I also made sure to mix as much of the clay that I dug up as I could, into the upper layers of soil. Lots of good nutrients in that clay :smile:
Not too worried about 1 branch, as long as I don't see any others go the same way!
I hope you find a way to get an outdoor grow going. Nows the time to start planning a grow next year :wink:
Thankfully they seem to love it outdoors, and are making up for my indoor screw ups!
Good luck with yours. I'm sure they'll really start to take off soon.
Hey BC,
Thanks for the kind words.
I'd have liked to have dug a bit more to be honest, but I have to keep reminding myself that big plants are going to stick out a mile! One day I'll find somewhere where I can grow unrestricted I hope.
Glad to have you aboard BC!
Edit:
Hey Jack,
Missed you while I was typing!
Thanks man, yeah this has been my most fun grow so far. I'm loving it outdoors, and the trenches, and combining that with true organics...
That French intensive method is uncannily like what I'm doing. Thanks for the link! Very interesting! It's made me think twice about my watering strategy (or lack of it!) for starters.
I actually did screen quite allot of the soil for large stones. I started off with a fine screen, but that was really hard going lol (not only that, but I was running out of time), so I got a larger screen. The trenches are a verity of soil textures.
I'm not so sure a layer of rocks on top of the clay would be a great idea, but I see what your thinking is behind that. I suppose a fairly "loose" layer of rocks couldn't hurt - I'd be worried about shoveling soil on top and the layer compacting, although I'm not sure how valid that worry is.
When I dug, I tried to loosen up that layer as much as possible to try and help the roots penetrate it, although I don't know if I got deep enough, and if it had enough sand/grit to make a real difference. It was quite hard to go any deeper and find out how deep that layer was, with the size of trench and way I dug it. I also made sure to mix as much of the clay that I dug up as I could, into the upper layers of soil. Lots of good nutrients in that clay :smile:
Not too worried about 1 branch, as long as I don't see any others go the same way!
I hope you find a way to get an outdoor grow going. Nows the time to start planning a grow next year :wink:
Doh!
Doh!
We had a wet and windy night, and when I checked the plot I found Trainwreck#2 like this:
Unfortunate, but it's given us a chance to check the progress of the rooting after a little over 2 weeks (16 days) since I layered this stem.
I did see what appeared to be a single small root that has snapped, and was left in the soil, but I can't be a 100% sure it was from the TW.
Have to say I'm a little disappointed by the lack of rooting so far, although it does look like some roots are close to forming.
I found a longer twig and repaired the damage, so with any luck this won't be a big setback. She had rited her leaves a few hours ago but was wilting noticeably. Can't really blame her I suppose!
Doh!
We had a wet and windy night, and when I checked the plot I found Trainwreck#2 like this:
Unfortunate, but it's given us a chance to check the progress of the rooting after a little over 2 weeks (16 days) since I layered this stem.
I did see what appeared to be a single small root that has snapped, and was left in the soil, but I can't be a 100% sure it was from the TW.
Have to say I'm a little disappointed by the lack of rooting so far, although it does look like some roots are close to forming.
I found a longer twig and repaired the damage, so with any luck this won't be a big setback. She had rited her leaves a few hours ago but was wilting noticeably. Can't really blame her I suppose!
Todays pics
Todays pics
It's been a week of more sunshine and showers, with the emphasis on the showers! Nothing too much to report other than one of the branches on the Taskenti fell over (from the heavy rain I guess) a couple of days ago, but I propped it back up and it seems ok now.
Apart from that I've been busy brewing teas, making fermented plant extracts (FPEs) out of nettles and ivy, and culturing lactic acid bacteria as well as EM-1, which is in everything now
Anyway, on to the pics...
Trench 1 - Blowfish on the left
I should have made it bigger!
Blowfish
Trainwreck#1
The above pic is of the part of the stem that was closest to the original root ball.
Trench 2 - Taskenti in the foreground
Trainwreck#2
Once again, the part of the stem that would have been just above the base of the stem before being put in the ground.
Taskenti
That's all for now. I need to catch some shuteye
Todays pics
It's been a week of more sunshine and showers, with the emphasis on the showers! Nothing too much to report other than one of the branches on the Taskenti fell over (from the heavy rain I guess) a couple of days ago, but I propped it back up and it seems ok now.
Apart from that I've been busy brewing teas, making fermented plant extracts (FPEs) out of nettles and ivy, and culturing lactic acid bacteria as well as EM-1, which is in everything now
Anyway, on to the pics...
Trench 1 - Blowfish on the left
I should have made it bigger!
Blowfish
Trainwreck#1
The above pic is of the part of the stem that was closest to the original root ball.
Trench 2 - Taskenti in the foreground
Trainwreck#2
Once again, the part of the stem that would have been just above the base of the stem before being put in the ground.
Taskenti
That's all for now. I need to catch some shuteye
Seems you escaped reasonably unscathed from the recent weather. We had some full on storms here, that no doubt will have done serious damage!
Yeah, we were lucky here. The worst of it missed, and the only casualty was a single branch, which seems ok now.
I just wonder if that's a hint that these are going to need allot more support?
I'm going to have to tip more soil on top of them I think, then each branch should produce it's own individual root system, which should help support it.
I descided to layer TW#2 one more time today. It seems the right thing to do!
I bent down the stem in preparation
You can see the lead weights I used in the pics above. I used two, although its overkill
I also used some more twigs to pin back small branches/leaves into positions where they should get more light.
I also pinned the main stem/shoot and some of the small branches/leaves of TW#1, just to spread them out a bit and get more light in there, but I don't think I'll layer her again.
This Trainwreck seems to be attracting leaf hoppers, or some other sap-sucking insect.
Hopefully the ivy FPE will put an end to that. Until then I just hope it doesn't get too bad!
I just wonder if that's a hint that these are going to need allot more support?
I'm going to have to tip more soil on top of them I think, then each branch should produce it's own individual root system, which should help support it.
I descided to layer TW#2 one more time today. It seems the right thing to do!
I bent down the stem in preparation
You can see the lead weights I used in the pics above. I used two, although its overkill
I also used some more twigs to pin back small branches/leaves into positions where they should get more light.
I also pinned the main stem/shoot and some of the small branches/leaves of TW#1, just to spread them out a bit and get more light in there, but I don't think I'll layer her again.
This Trainwreck seems to be attracting leaf hoppers, or some other sap-sucking insect.
Hopefully the ivy FPE will put an end to that. Until then I just hope it doesn't get too bad!
J
JackTheGrower
Yep when the plant is sweet they come and suck on it..
Garlic spray?
I remember something about using a watery garlic spray..
Jack
Garlic spray?
I remember something about using a watery garlic spray..
Jack
