I am Going Insane - Please Help!

[Snype]

.79 of a gallon and they are auto flowering. They were moved today and had adequate roots going on.

Sorry but those 13 day day old seedlings did not have adequate roots to be transplanted into gallon pots. Just saying.

Ok. So I've only fed 3 times so far. I should add just a tad more to the water? And I don't plan on repotting again. The photos are in 3 gallon and the autos are in .79 of a gallon. It's not that I want quick growth, I just look at other's pics and it seems like they should be bigger. And especially the autos If they are at 13 days now, how in the world are they ever supposed to automatically start flowering at 3 weeks? Doesn't seem possible.

Those plants don't need food if you already fed them 3 times. They are tiny. You need to get the pH of the soil back in line like others have stated and maybe figure out how to water the right way. When your pH is out of line, it won't matter how much food you give the plant because they aren't able to take in the nutrients. You should get used to checking the pH and PPM of the run off at least every 2 weeks so you know where you stand. Your flying blind.

Hmmmm. I thought it was a nitrogen deficiency at first, and took that as my sign to start feeding them. Now looking at this chart it looks more like a zinc deficieny.

No it's more like your pH is out of line. Your bottled nutes have all the elements that you need. When your pH is out of line, you don't have access to your nutes and you're just getting salt build ups which is going to help lower the pH of the soil even more. Like others have stated, stop looking at pictures and get the pH back in line and learn how to water your plants better. These are very basic problems. I feed my 5 foot bushes every 2 weeks at around half the recommended dose and just add water until I need to feed in another 2 weeks. Plants don't need crazy amounts of nutrients.

 

[sandie66]

Sorry but those 13 day day old seedlings did not have adequate roots to be transplanted into gallon pots. Just saying.

Although I started them in cups, why does everyone online say to start auto-flowers in its final pot, if the roots are not ready? And they are 13 days old. Aren't they supposed to start flowering at 3 weeks being autos? That's not happening unless there is some kind of miracle.

Those plants don't need food if you already fed them 3 times. They are tiny. You need to get the pH of the soil back in line like others have stated and maybe figure out how to water the right way. When your pH is out of line, it won't matter how much food you give the plant because they aren't able to take in the nutrients. You should get used to checking the pH and PPM of the run off at least every 2 weeks so you know where you stand. Your flying blind.

Believe me I know they are tiny, but at the same time, they are 39 days old. That is what worries me. As you can see from other responses, I need to feed more or feed less or water more or water less. So you can see why an old hippie woman would be confused especially since this is my first grow. I will have to read up on PH as I know nothing....

 

[Snype]

Believe me I know they are tiny, but at the same time, they are 39 days old. That is what worries me. As you can see from other responses, I need to feed more or feed less or water more or water less. So you can see why an old hippie woman would be confused especially since this is my first grow. I will have to read up on PH as I know nothing....

All that I can tell you is you are going to make this more difficult for yourself by putting those small plants in 3 gallon pots. It is going to be hard not to over water. That's one of the reasons why they are so small is because you are hurting the roots but not understanding how to water correctly. It's easier to water the right way in a smaller pot because it's much harder to over water. Good luck.

 

[sandie66]

All that I can tell you is you are going to make this more difficult for yourself by putting those small plants in 3 gallon pots. It is going to be hard not to over water. That's one of the reasons why they are so small is because you are hurting the roots but not understanding how to water correctly. It's easier to water the right way in a smaller pot because it's much harder to over water. Good luck.

So should I repot the photos in something smaller for a few weeks and then put them back in the 3 gallon pots? Should I do something about the autos or just leave them alone? I read where they should be planted in their final pot (which I didn't anyway), but I had someone telling me I shouldn't have moved them yet.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i think there's a pocket of moist rootball and the rest of the pot is bone dry. roots won't grow into dry areas. which is why i suggested one thorough soaking then waiting. eitherway it goes overwatered or under. you're gonna need to wait for the pot to dry out before you see any results. hope that eases your confusion a little as to why i said what i said. i don't think they're overfed personally. not enough micro def showing.

 

[Snype]

So should I repot the photos in something smaller for a few weeks and then put them back in the 3 gallon pots? Should I do something about the autos or just leave them alone? I read where they should be planted in their final pot (which I didn't anyway), but I had someone telling me I shouldn't have moved them yet.

I wouldn't transplant them down to a smaller pot because you will upset the roots and you're already having problems. You need to gently take some of the soil out of the pot and put it in a shot glass and make a slurry with a little water to do a pH test. Then stick the pH meter in the slurry and see what it says. Normally I would do a run off test but your pots are too big and you would over water them to do the test which would really upset the plants and further delay growth like what's been going on.

 

[sandie66]

i think there's a pocket of moist rootball and the rest of the pot is bone dry. roots won't grow into dry areas. which is why i suggested one thorough soaking then waiting. eitherway it goes overwatered or under. you're gonna need to wait for the pot to dry out before you see any results. hope that eases your confusion a little as to why i said what i said. i don't think they're overfed personally. not enough micro def showing.

Thanks!

 

[sandie66]

I wouldn't transplant them down to a smaller pot because you will upset the roots and you're already having problems. You need to gently take some of the soil out of the pot and put it in a shot glass and make a slurry with a little water to do a pH test. Then stick the pH meter in the slurry and see what it says. Normally I would do a run off test but your pots are too big and you would over water them to do the test which would really upset the plants and further delay growth like what's been going on.

Ok. So can I use my dad's pool PH strips?

 

[Snype]

Ok. So can I use my dad's pool PH strips?

pH strips are not accurate enough. You need to get a cheap pH meter for like $50. You are going to need it when you are growing. Get ready to invest in some equipment. I don't understand how you are going to feed your plants without a meter. Your pH has to be in line for the plant to get food. It looks like you didn't buy your soil at a store so you're pH is probably off due to not adding any lime.

 

[sandie66]

pH strips are not accurate enough. You need to get a cheap pH meter for like $50. You are going to need it when you are growing. Get ready to invest in some equipment.

I knew it was coming. I already bought the eye loupe. Thanks! I will try this and hope they grow!

 

[FiddlersGreen]

just concentrate on getting ph right. don't be all expert about deficiencies from look like pictures.

and how insane would you like to be after you've been helped

1 for sailing by rod stewart
2 for telephones
3 for bigfoot told you about the snausages
and 4 for advertisements and shoping

ok i wont provide any input. dick.

 

[Snype]

ok i wont provide any input. dick.

Wave is being nice. Smoke a joint and chill out. By the way a deficiency and a lock out are 2 different things but they look exactly the same. The starter of this thread had nothing in the soil to balance the pH. That's one of the reason why bagged soil comes with liming agents.

 

[Weedninja]

I 2nd vostok about the perlite, snype about pot size, and waveguide about pH. That's also not enough light for growing mj beyond the seedling and early veg growth stages. The fertilizer you're using isn't too great, either, although that's a lower priority than the other stuff.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

That's also not enough light for growing mj beyond the seedling and early veg growth stages. The fertilizer you're using isn't too great, either, although that's a lower priority than the other stuff.

i dunno who tells you guys these things but i assure you they are lies.
i didn't even have 2 bulbs per plant on mine. i had 3 bulbs in total. maybe 4. all 13or26w total combined equivalent of 120w. I'm not here to give soil formulas plus i don't think anyone asked. but proper nutrients is a higher priority than buying a hps setup when you have a perfectly viable lighting source at hand.

you know who wouldn't be able to produce from miracle gro and cfls?

i don't either. everyone should be able to do it. my first plant was a male grown under an incadescent bulb in miracle gro.

 

[HerBnGorE(illa)]

I second what stihg says. I have had no problem with my low watt cfl cab. I always heard the same lies. Truth be told it's all about penetrating power. If you are trying to grow a room full of trees then maybe hps would be the way to go. But in a micro setting, a little cfl love goes a long way. verdentgreen HAS A 22 watt led grow journal that produced quite nicely. There's also a whole micro section here that supports the low wattage grows.

 

[JointOperation]

they have different newer accurate litmus paper.. that has 2 spots that change color per strip.. u match to the correct ph colors.. and your done.. very simple. i had a pack as backup .. and i had to use them when my ph pen shit the bed.. then when i got a new ph pen. i tested the litmus paper vs ph pen.. and the new kind of litmus was spot on accuracy wise.

 

[Snype]

they have different newer accurate litmus paper.. that has 2 spots that change color per strip.. u match to the correct ph colors.. and your done.. very simple. i had a pack as backup .. and i had to use them when my ph pen shit the bed.. then when i got a new ph pen. i tested the litmus paper vs ph pen.. and the new kind of litmus was spot on accuracy wise.

That's good to know because last year this lady used those strips and the pH was off by 8 points when I compared it to the meter. The colors on the package change when exposed to light over time. I'm a big fan of numbers instead of colors. Maybe they have better ones now.

 

[waveguide]

read about ph and lockout.. you've only got a fairly narrow ph zone where plant growth is good n happy.

when humans start throwing bottles of shit, ph will drift out of this range quickly, and you get plants that don't grow, like the ones in the first post.

as far as deficiency illustrations, these are a guide, not a bible for inexperience. you do not get to have a "zinc deficiency" because the picture looks closest to your plant. there's a fuckshite load of shite gonig on in the real world that isn't so easily simplified. understand that.

first, concentrate on ph. second, concentrate on ph.

for your information: the time to start thinknig about what is deficient is when you get an awareness of how nutes "et c." interact, what ties up what, which will give you *somethnig* to go on apart from pictures.

i'm telling you this from experience. i've done the "ooh i have a picture now i am an expert" thing, and i don't think it's gonna work out too good for you.

calling me a dick for this only makes you look inexperienced to anyone who knows anything. alls you gotsta do bro is check out ph and understand why it affects every nute your plant wants to take, before you start thinknig i am not your best friend who took time to tell you some real shit.

tho here you go, let's tell you some bullshti you want to hear "oh bro, i know what you need, it's because you don't havwe voodoo juice - go spend $30 on voodoo juice then come back and tell me how your plantas are"

there, you bought somethnig instead of thinking, you're a good consumer.

buddy - if you called me a dick because you're rod stewart, it was just a joke bro!

 

[georgyporgy]

watching this one with interest

 

[Weedninja]

i dunno who tells you guys these things but i assure you they are lies.
i didn't even have 2 bulbs per plant on mine. i had 3 bulbs in total. maybe 4. all 13or26w total combined equivalent of 120w. I'm not here to give soil formulas plus i don't think anyone asked. but proper nutrients is a higher priority than buying a hps setup when you have a perfectly viable lighting source at hand.

you know who wouldn't be able to produce from miracle gro and cfls?

i don't either. everyone should be able to do it. my first plant was a male grown under an incadescent bulb in miracle gro.

I don't have anything against micro grows or CFLs, but to really rock a micro grow you need mylar, a cab or a confined space and extraction. It's much easier to get a 150w HPS. Plus she'd get bigger nugs.

I can get Alaska Fish Fertilizer or Espoma organics within 1 mile of my house, without ever going to a grow shop. Either of those are way better than Miracle Gro or Pennington's Expert.