Hydrofarm Habitat Tents - A Warning

[Mr. Bongjangles]

I disagree with your characterization of what I said and I disagree with your blanket approval for the Dark Room. Accusing me of lying is beyond the pale.

You posted all of the supposed attributes from the Dark Room straight from a seller's website as if to portray to the whole world that what they posted was the gospel. All of those posted attributes are not true and you should acknowledge as much. If you cannot do that, you are not being intellectually honest. This is what I was referring to about the IR.

The Dark Room is not light tight. It is full of holes from the sewing needle that made it. You accused me of not owning one. I own two different models now and I've been over the Dark Room quite a bit by now. The zipper is horrible and needs revamping. However, I do find MANY postive qualities about the Dark Room. It just wasn't built to a high standard of workmanship. The poles are aluminum and won't hold the kind of weight that I want to hang from a tent. My criticisms are valid.

You choose to call me a fool, so be it. You don't matter in my life. The reason that refinding posts on Euro boards is so hard is that I was with people in Europe that spoke many languages. They found the posts in their native tongues when we were all together and we sent the info to Homebox. They in turn put out the long-winded message about plastics. East Side Impex is comprised of two people and one is in jail right now in Germany. This is common knowledge with many people in the industry in Holland and Germany. They chose to pretend that there is no problem so they wouldn't fold. Dark Room sales in Europe are huge right now and biting into their market share something fierce. I'm not judging their actions I am simply stating that they did indeed lie to the public about what is in their tents and that they have no problem.

This link is in Spanish
http://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/showthread.php?t=96498&highlight=homebox

This link has a nice description and pics -- in English
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=111775

I am not going to refind everything that my friends were able to during a work session together. Furthermore, I have no time for this folly. You seem to want to fight about something that is rather clear to many people. As was said by HydroHuts, the different tent's material is being made by one machine in China and the problem is logically and physically world-wide.

Now a large company like Hydrofarm puts its Habitat back onto the market as if nothing was wrong with it last month when they put it on stop sale nationwide.

Forgive me Mr. Bongjangles if I didn't rush to post some links for you, I was travelling for my work. Now that I have posted what you claimed that I couldn't, you stand corrected.

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So again, show me where I ever said anything about the "IR" in the Darkroom.. Never said anything about that, as I can't confirm or deny it. You're a huge liar, and I wish I had noticed your ridiculous response earlier.

Moving on.. Both links you provided to discussions are invalid. The site in spanish is not hydrohut/habitat poisoning, as the yellowing from the bad huts starts from the beginning of the leaf, not the ends. For anyone interested, see this thread about actual Hydrohut/Habitat poisioning, and the difference in the pictures is obvious.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=65544

The english link you provided to discussion on another site was not about the homebox at all. They only said "flowering chamber" and the pics make it obvious it isn't a homebox.

So yeah, I stand corrected about nothing, and still think you are a liar and a fool.

Also.. I see you posted about "calling the owner of Hydrohut on the phone" to ask about the pipe he posted on here.. Sounds like dude is your buddy, so now I see why you are all specifically about bashing on the Homebox and Jardin tents.

We don't need your misinformation spreading kind on here dude - that is the exact opposite of what this site is about.

 

[Raijin]

Bonjangles, the depth of your assumptions is really annoying. You are no specialist on plastic off gassing, I assure you. You have some reputation to uphold here and nobody is standing in your way. But, do not think for a moment that people cannot see through what you do not really know. Smart you are, but you aren't the only smart cookie in the box.

Stop pretending that you know all there is to know about the cause of the plastic killing plants. Different manufacturers are using different softeners in their plastics and these different softeners are generally from the same family. In turn, this family of softeners is killing plants. However, they are reacting slightly differently based on which exact softener is being used. But you know this already you omniscient, boistrous fool.

Since there are no Habitats or hydrohuts being sold in Europe right now it would be quite safe to assume that since people are readily experiencing this problem over there that they too are experiencing an off gasssing issue. People at the Barcelona show talked about this EXACT problem.

One huge reason that you are seeing less of an overall effect in Europe is that they use lower wattage lighting in general (no thousands and usually 400's) and as such, less heat is being put into the tents. Hence, the off gassing either happens at a much slower and lower rate (ppm). The higher the heat, the faster and rougher the off gas.

Perhaps you could address the companies in Holland that have lost their ass due to this exact problem? Perhaps you could relook at the pictures that you dismissed with no knowledge about that which you speak? You cannot refute evidence even with your ego.

I called every company that I could to try and learn what is going on becuase if I listened to self absorbed ego maniacs like you, I would have only disinformation based on too much assumption. Both those links are good and telling of a larger problem than just the US based companies. I am no friend of hydrohuts, habitats, darkrooms or Bongjangles.

Perhaps you can explain to me why my plants that were made sick in a hydrohut and then put into a Darkroom did not recover? They stayed sick! Same family of softener again genius. Yeah, you're all over that right?! Try PVC coating in the Darkroom big man. The stores are being told by the mfr that they use "food grade metallic fabric". There is no such animal. Bunch of BS.

I have put new plants into the Darkroom and they grew ok. I couldn't measure how ok they were vs growing in a separate room, my test wasn't that structured to do so. But, as I said, I've put sick plants into the Darkroom and they stayed sick and still are. Does anyone else have this experience?

Finally, master Bongjangles, the point I made two months back about Infrared, you and the darkroom is only this: you touted the darkroom heavily by posting verbatim what was on someone's website. By blindly posting what they said about the darkroom and then assuming to the public that they were right, you gave your consent to all those supposed attributes by default. All I did was point out that the Darkroom really couldn't claim that it would stop IR since it could not absorb IR. Get off your high horse jangles.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Bonjangles, the depth of your assumptions is really annoying. You are no specialist on plastic off gassing, I assure you. You have some reputation to uphold here and nobody is standing in your way. But, do not think for a moment that people cannot see through what you do not really know. Smart you are, but you aren't the only smart cookie in the box.

Stop pretending that you know all there is to know about the cause of the plastic killing plants. Different manufacturers are using different softeners in their plastics and these different softeners are generally from the same family. In turn, this family of softeners is killing plants. However, they are reacting slightly differently based on which exact softener is being used. But you know this already you omniscient, boistrous fool.

Since there are no Habitats or hydrohuts being sold in Europe right now it would be quite safe to assume that since people are readily experiencing this problem over there that they too are experiencing an off gasssing issue. People at the Barcelona show talked about this EXACT problem.

One huge reason that you are seeing less of an overall effect in Europe is that they use lower wattage lighting in general (no thousands and usually 400's) and as such, less heat is being put into the tents. Hence, the off gassing either happens at a much slower and lower rate (ppm). The higher the heat, the faster and rougher the off gas.

Perhaps you could address the companies in Holland that have lost their ass due to this exact problem? Perhaps you could relook at the pictures that you dismissed with no knowledge about that which you speak? You cannot refute evidence even with your ego.

I called every company that I could to try and learn what is going on becuase if I listened to self absorbed ego maniacs like you, I would have only disinformation based on too much assumption. Both those links are good and telling of a larger problem than just the US based companies. I am no friend of hydrohuts, habitats, darkrooms or Bongjangles.

Perhaps you can explain to me why my plants that were made sick in a hydrohut and then put into a Darkroom did not recover? They stayed sick! Same family of softener again genius. Yeah, you're all over that right?! Try PVC coating in the Darkroom big man. The stores are being told by the mfr that they use "food grade metallic fabric". There is no such animal. Bunch of BS.

I have put new plants into the Darkroom and they grew ok. I couldn't measure how ok they were vs growing in a separate room, my test wasn't that structured to do so. But, as I said, I've put sick plants into the Darkroom and they stayed sick and still are. Does anyone else have this experience?

Finally, master Bongjangles, the point I made two months back about Infrared, you and the darkroom is only this: you touted the darkroom heavily by posting verbatim what was on someone's website. By blindly posting what they said about the darkroom and then assuming to the public that they were right, you gave your consent to all those supposed attributes by default. All I did was point out that the Darkroom really couldn't claim that it would stop IR since it could not absorb IR. Get off your high horse jangles.

You're a joke man.. It has already been made clear you are a liar with an agenda.

Nothing you can do or say now to change it.

 

[bambam]

i have a 4x4 and have my fingers crossed!!!!!

 

[Raijin]

You're a joke man.. It has already been made clear you are a liar with an agenda.

Nothing you can do or say now to change it.

I didn't lie about a thing. You summarily dismissed hard evidence and yet you stand on air instead of proof and offer nothing to refute hard evidence. Nothing!

To top it all off, you tell me that I am not welcome here! Who in the hell are you other than a man with a large complex? You are a pompous, insufferable ass and you're bordering on fascism with your comments.

 

[phattybudz]

"I've put sick plants into the Darkroom and they stayed sick and still are. Does anyone else have this experience?"

I put my sick hydro hut plants in my darkroom and they recovered. Darkrooms are the way to go...side windows kick ass, venting kicks ass.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

I didn't lie about a thing. You summarily dismissed hard evidence and yet you stand on air instead of proof and offer nothing to refute hard evidence. Nothing!

To top it all off, you tell me that I am not welcome here! Who in the hell are you other than a man with a large complex? You are a pompous, insufferable ass and you're bordering on fascism with your comments.

haha dude, your responses just get more and more ridiculous every time.

Still waiting on those links to actual discussions of the Homebox being problematic.. This thread is 4 pages long - not that hard for anyone to go back and see what you are trying to do here and what your original claims were.

"I've put sick plants into the Darkroom and they stayed sick and still are. Does anyone else have this experience?"

I put my sick hydro hut plants in my darkroom and they recovered. Darkrooms are the way to go...side windows kick ass, venting kicks ass.

Yeah same here Phattybudz.. Don't sweat this guy, he is crazy and says things that don't fit with reality.

 

[Raijin]

Bongjangles, STFU dude. You are way out of line. Keep up the personal attacks--they make you look small.

Phattybudz, thank you for sharing your findings with me. I put plants from the HH that were barely affected into the DR and they got better. I put plants that were much more sick from the HH into the DR and they didn't get better. In fact, they are just about dead. I am only trying to see if anyone else had this problem. The reason is to see if plants that have past a certain point due to the HH problems are then affected by something similar in the DR that normally wouldn't hurt a healthy plant. i.e., if the ppm of the plastic softener in the DR isn't that high and therefore it doesn't make a plant sick, but can continue and promote a plant's sickness once it is very sick.

Has anyone compared yields yet from a room in a house to the DR? Any increase or decrease in yields?

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Bongjangles, STFU dude. You are way out of line. Keep up the personal attacks--they make you look small.

Phattybudz, thank you for sharing your findings with me. I put plants from the HH that were barely affected into the DR and they got better. I put plants that were much more sick from the HH into the DR and they didn't get better. In fact, they are just about dead. I am only trying to see if anyone else had this problem. The reason is to see if plants that have past a certain point due to the HH problems are then affected by something similar in the DR that normally wouldn't hurt a healthy plant. i.e., if the ppm of the plastic softener in the DR isn't that high and therefore it doesn't make a plant sick, but can continue and promote a plant's sickness once it is very sick.

Has anyone compared yields yet from a room in a house to the DR? Any increase or decrease in yields?

What is out of line, Rajin, is you posting lies and misinformation repeatedly in this thread.

NOBODY is reporting "Hydrohut Poisoning" problems with the Jardin tents or the Homebox tents, no matter how much you say it. Have fun with your experiments.

One more time, you are a liar, and have been caught multiple times trying to mislead the people who read this site about this situation.

 

[Raijin]

Bongjangle-Jizz

I posted valuable and proper links to tent yellowing problems happening in other parts of the world. You, with the Napoleon complex had to poo poo what I posted with NO PROOF other than your totally unprofessional opinion and for no other reason than you have promised to mess with me as long as I post.

If you can't get over your anger management issue, then please go seek counseling. This forum is no place for your rank meanness.

I posted good proof of tents in Europe causing yellowing, very likely due to off gassing of the white plastic being used. You offer nothing. You, with no proof tell the whole community that I have lied?!! No, you did. You purported to have knowledge about the problem that you do not. You pretend to be the only specialist allowed to judge what is and what isn't an off gassing problem. You are dead wrong and you do not know what you are talking about all the time.

If you knew anything about the problem you would readily admit the the problem has nothing to do with sulfur or other compounds. Even though the problem looks most like a Zinc deficiency (which you missed), it is causing a breathing problem in the plants. This is why they ALL follow very similar patterns but not exact patterns. This is why they are most likely affected by or not affected by the amount of ppm of the gas or compound emanating from the plastic.

Read up on the problem on the net and stop subjecting people to your better-than-thou attitude for the sake of keeping your hard-on in front of the folks here.

This is a forum. All people on this forum have real experiences. I am allowed to ask others about those experiences to help me think about the problems that we are all facing, whether you know it all or not.

 

[Smokerman]

Can anyone tell me about the Flora Corp. 4.5x4.5x7.5 tents?

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Bongjangle-Jizz

I posted valuable and proper links to tent yellowing problems happening in other parts of the world. You, with the Napoleon complex had to poo poo what I posted with NO PROOF other than your totally unprofessional opinion and for no other reason than you have promised to mess with me as long as I post.

If you can't get over your anger management issue, then please go seek counseling. This forum is no place for your rank meanness.

I posted good proof of tents in Europe causing yellowing, very likely due to off gassing of the white plastic being used. You offer nothing. You, with no proof tell the whole community that I have lied?!! No, you did. You purported to have knowledge about the problem that you do not. You pretend to be the only specialist allowed to judge what is and what isn't an off gassing problem. You are dead wrong and you do not know what you are talking about all the time.

If you knew anything about the problem you would readily admit the the problem has nothing to do with sulfur or other compounds. Even though the problem looks most like a Zinc deficiency (which you missed), it is causing a breathing problem in the plants. This is why they ALL follow very similar patterns but not exact patterns. This is why they are most likely affected by or not affected by the amount of ppm of the gas or compound emanating from the plastic.

Read up on the problem on the net and stop subjecting people to your better-than-thou attitude for the sake of keeping your hard-on in front of the folks here.

This is a forum. All people on this forum have real experiences. I am allowed to ask others about those experiences to help me think about the problems that we are all facing, whether you know it all or not.

For someone who accuses me of being a self-professed expert, you sure have an in depth theory there captain!

I'm sure you would love everyone to believe these tents cause multiple kinds of deficiencies to appear, but like I referenced before, the Hydrohut Yellowing thread shows that the yellowing is consistent among poisonous tents of multiple brands. The evidence is right there.

If you can't see the difference between the pics in the link you posted and the pics in that thread, well like I said, you are a fool, as it is obvious. And also as said, the 2nd link wasn't even a grow tent at all! Stop trying to act like those were valid links.

But one more time, it is clear you have an agenda, and your every post just confirms it more and more, so I am not surprised. My agenda is to make sure you don't fool anyone with your lies now that you have poisoned this thread with your misinformation.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Can anyone tell me about the Flora Corp. 4.5x4.5x7.5 tents?

They seem to be Hydrohut/Habitat knockoffs. Specifically Habitat knockoffs based on the color.

If you want that style of tent, I strongly recommend you check out a Homebox, as they have not had reports of this poisoning and are pretty much identical aside from the poles.

I like the Jardin Darkroom tents too, and rock one myself.

Here's some K2 I recently finished in the Jardin tent

 

[jcj77d]

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to post this information I received recently from my retailer, especially as I have confirmed it myself.

Bottom line - the Hydrofarm Habitat tents suffer from the same problem as the recently manufactured Hydrohuts. They will be doing a recall, likely in similar manor as the one Hydrohut initiated about a week ago.

I got one myself as a replacement for a bad Hydrohut and concluded the same thing after a couple of weeks, so I am very certain about this.

I am told that Homebox is the only brand to not have a problem yet, but cannot confirm this.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I hope this information helps anyone who is having trouble in these tents.

i also had a bad HH & exchanged it for a habitat, but ended up w/ a bad habitat as well, & now they are going to exchange it for another habitat. a question for u, what kinda temps did u have in both, b/c i wondering if temps have something to do w/ this. my temps are around 78-81 in both & cant get them lower.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

i also had a bad HH & exchanged it for a habitat, but ended up w/ a bad habitat as well, & now they are going to exchange it for another habitat. a question for u, what kinda temps did u have in both, b/c i wondering if temps have something to do w/ this. my temps are around 78-81 in both & cant get them lower.

Temperature may play a factor, but I tried the Habitat & Hydrohuts at room temperature with a CFL reflector and at higher temps with the 1000w HPS (75-80) and they both still killed seedlings.

Sorry to hear the rabbit hole goes deeper on this one for you.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Well I did not read all of this thread but I am on my second Hydrohut original and it has also yellowed my current grow. Very disappointing to say the least. I have a Kindergarden as well and I have had great results from it hence why I picked them again for my upgrade. So what is the next choice that is not killing plants? Is there any recovery from the yellowing once it starts? I just put these in there Sunday and only noticed yellowing today. Thanks for any help.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Thanks for the input. I think I am going to build my own.

 

[jcj77d]

hey mr bong, did your plants continue to keep yellowing a little after u took them out & then started to recover, or did they start to recover pretty much when u took them out, & did the yellowing go back to green, & how long did it take to fully recover. i have 6 plants, 4 dif strains, & only 3 where majorly effected, 1 just the top new shoots went yellow, 1 had slightly yellow tops w/ 2-3 yellowing lower leafs, & 1 had lower leaves yellow & brown & died. is there anything i can do to speed recovery or to help them along.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

hey mr bong, did your plants continue to keep yellowing a little after u took them out & then started to recover, or did they start to recover pretty much when u took them out, & did the yellowing go back to green, & how long did it take to fully recover. i have 6 plants, 4 dif strains, & only 3 where majorly effected, 1 just the top new shoots went yellow, 1 had slightly yellow tops w/ 2-3 yellowing lower leafs, & 1 had lower leaves yellow & brown & died. is there anything i can do to speed recovery or to help them along.

I can recall for sure that plants taken out of the bad Hut & Habitat did not continue to yellow at all. Recovery was fast, but my memory gets more hazy on the length of whole process. Seems it didn't take more than a few days for my plants resume full on growth. I don't know anything that can speed recovery along, so I would just give them time.

 

[jcj77d]

thanks, they did recover pretty quick (24-48hrs) after i took them out the HH, but it seems to be taking a little longer after taking them out of the habitat, maybe b/c of being stress twice + a receint transplant. im gonna give them a dose of superthrive & subculture & epsome salt.