HumboldtLocals Outdoor 2010

[humboldtlocal]

Got some pics of the new garden we are putting in. It is going to have 18 300 gallon smart pots with 2-3 plants in each one. Why not? We have a lot of great looking females that would be a shame to not grow out. There is a lot of room to expand in this garden but we will leave that for next year.
We decided to do a little soil comparison. Half of this garden will be Roots Organic and the other half will be Black Gold. We will be adding 2-3 gallons of high nitrogen bat guano to each pot. We want to be able to mix this soil and plant right away. If the weather cooperates we should have it mixed and planted by the end of the week. I had to do a little excavator work to get this site flat but that is always a lot of fun. We also ran our water line to the site today.
Ganja D doing his Super Man impression.

Here are the tied down plants in the green house.

Here is brother Nomaad's Blue Dream. Finally past her shock and coming to here senses. I was a little worried about putting her out without supplemental light but she is fine.

Shoe Goo kicking butt (get it)

Burmese Kush Goo. I wish these pics were in 3D. This plant is so thick and bushy and these pics don't do it justice.

Hindu Kush/ Blueberry x Grapefruit Blackberry

All is well here. The girls look better every day and some are really starting to stand out. Hopefully we get some more sun soon although it looks like more storms are rolling in.

 

[nomaad]

Planning on adding any perlite or rice hulls to that bag soil?

 

[humboldtlocal]

No. I need to conserve water at this new garden otherwise I would add perlite. I really wasn't going to add anything in the interest of science but F that. I get some really good high nitrogen bat guano from an off the market source. It comes in unlabeled contractor bags. Aurora innovations was going to start bagging it but that never came together. Really good stuff. Very hot and very high nitrogen.

 

[planty]

That guano really is some good shit. We are in sync bro...It seems like every time I'm out pushing hard you guys are too ...Love that. Are you going to space these ones out hella ? I put in 16 ft centers ( 10 ft walk ways ) Also the Shoe Goo looks like it has the structure to produce 10+ like you were saying...did you get any type of finish time info? Is that the only shoe goo and was it from seed? The Burmese Kush/Goo also looks fantastic....The Goo crosse that come out of GV are always pretty good in my experience. My favorite one has been the third eye which I was told is Goo x NL Haze...I really hope the shoe goo finishes in our area ...that frame is rediculous.

I appreciate the POTM nomination...I don't think I got chosen. No sweat...rather not be on blast mode like that any way

My money is on the Black Gold beds...

 

[humboldtlocal]

Yeah we are in tune bro. We laid the first pots out at about 10' spacing. We might try to get them to about 12'. The way I plan on using the hoops with trellis netting to stake everything up I think it will hold them all up better if they are closer or touching. Try to treat it all as one long plant.
No info on the Shoe and Burmese kush other than theirs were 13lbs last year. I'll be happy with tens. I think Capt. Nefarious has a couple at his place as well. They are both seed strains. We have some males and we will be taking clones for moms before everything buds. I have no idea of the finishing times but I assume end of october for those kinds of yields. I also had a Williams Wonder shoe but the seeds didn't germinate. I may still have a couple of those. That Third Eye sounds like a winner. Let me know when you get your hands on it.
Hope it goes smooth getting your lights up. It is probably safe to go with out at this point but better safe than sorry. We have clones we will be putting out with out supplemental light after this storm passes. How were the temps out there last night? Your plants look buff. I am sure they can take a little cold from here on out. Hope we see you this weekend.

 

[planty]

It was 50 degrees last night. There are 3 days of funky weather in the forecast and I want to make sure I didn't do all this work for nothing so the lights are going up today. I have 1500 FT of 14Ga stranded wire and twist lock plugs and a bunch of those one bulbs from the hardware store in town..I think have like 30 something of them. ...

 

[nomaad]

i bet 30 lights with the right spacing will be enough light at this late date.

 

[nomaad]

The tail end of my 15 day forecast has 3 days of low 40's at night... sucky sucky. I will not put out any pineapple cough before then, i think, as they are particularly sensitive to the cold.

they are still very happy in the 10 gallon smarties. Oh...we figured out a very smooth method for getting plants out of smarties. You just put the pot on top of a cylindrical object that is slightly smaller than the circumference of the pot (5 gal bucket works great for the #5 smarties)... fold the top enge down evenly all around and then just pull down evenly all the way. slick as snot, every time...works best with four hands (especially on #10s) but can be done with 2.

 

[Burt]

i tend to agree that burning down a couple of resorts is definitely the way to go-while their being built of course so there are 0 casualties

 

[Tom Hill]

this weekend.

The lake? My favorite gig of the year, wouldn't miss it.

Looks awesome in here guys. " Let's go on and go if we're goin' " (Lonesome Dove)

 

[SeniorBuzz]

No. I need to conserve water at this new garden otherwise I would add perlite. I really wasn't going to add anything in the interest of science but F that. I get some really good high nitrogen bat guano from an off the market source. It comes in unlabeled contractor bags. Aurora innovations was going to start bagging it but that never came together. Really good stuff. Very hot and very high nitrogen.

can you share the source on the bat guano

so some of the rest of us can get it?

 

[humboldtlocal]

The lake? My favorite gig of the year, wouldn't miss it.

Looks awesome in here guys. " Let's go on and go if we're goin' " (Lonesome Dove)

Thanks for stopping in Tom. Summer Arts and Music Festival at Benbow Lake this weekend. My friends Heavy Weight Dub Champion are headlining saturday and one of my tiny tribe members is performing both days as well. It is always a great time and an awesome way to kick off the summer. Merl Saunders and JGB are headlining sunday so come on out all you deadheads. Hope to see you there Tom.

can you share the source on the bat guano

so some of the rest of us can get it?

Sorry seniorB, a friend of mine gets one semi delivery every year and sells it to his friends and neighbors. He won't reveal his source. I need to pick up a couple more 60# bags if he still has any. I have used Spare Time Supply's guanos and they are great as well but not as high N as this stuff and a lot pricier.

 

[planty]

Summer Arts festival kicks ass!

I like to cut the smart pots off.

 

[nomaad]

I was cutting the smartpots off, but this method is even less stressful, unless you cut the other side from the seam as well... then it just falls off... but with this method, you end up with an unpotted plant on a pedestal... you can just slide something under it to move it. very low stress. I have a couple of strains that just don't like to be moved, especially while coming out of cold shock. And some root balls were falling apart on me when I was cutting them off... i never wound up with a sideways plant, disintegrating root ball, like I did when cutting pots off. very slick. also... when I lifted the plant straight off the bottom of the smartie, seemed like less damage to any roots that might have grown thru the bottom of the pot han I got cutting the side seam open and pulling the pot off.

I have 2 strains that are really sensitive and it seemed this method caused a lot less stress.

Also...less garbage is always good. a sliced open smartie may not be totally worthless, but its on its way.

 

[planty]

I didn't experience any of those things. All my plants had strong solid root balls that engulfed the entire smart pot and were shooting out the sides and bottom. I just made a slit along the side with a pair of scissors and did not cut in to the root ball at all..Maybe those lobster claw hands of yours got in the way?

 

[humboldtlocal]

I would think having lobster claw hands would make it easier to get them off. Snip Snip Snip.

 

[Strainhunter]

HL and all the other guys doing this incredible job (not only this year but also previous grows) when I came across the below article first thing I thought of was you guys.

I have had my share of those suckers in your neck of the woods although this has been a long time ago.

And it was terrible!

Link:
West Poised for Worst Grasshopper Outbreak in 30 Years

By Brett Israel, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 27 May 2010 04:05 pm ET

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The clearwinged grasshopper, Camnula pellucida, on a trail along the Mendocino Coast


The worst grasshopper outbreak in decades may envelop the western states this summer, scientists warn.
A dramatic rise in the number of grasshoppers was found during a survey of the western states conducted last year, by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). And while that may seem bad enough on its own, it's really the grasshoppers' kids that are the threat.
If last summer's adults were successful during mating season, then the worst grasshopper infestation in 30 years could strike ranches and agricultural land in the Great Plains states between late July and early August, said Roeland Elliston of the USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service in Fort Collins, Colo., who worked on the survey.
Ecologist David Branson who was not involved with the study but specializes in grasshopper management with the USDA in Sidney, Mont., agreed.


Pacific Northwest states such as Washington are also facing their worst grasshopper infestation in 30 years, said entomologist Richard Zach of Washington State University in Pullman, Wash., who was not involved in the survey.
The USDA survey included the number of adult grasshoppers from late spring to early fall in 2009. Based on those numbers, and favorable reproductive conditions such as the mild winter this year, researchers identified areas at risk of a grasshopper infestation, including states in the Great Plains and the Pacific Northwest.
Montana, Wyoming and Nebraska — states with typically high numbers of grasshoppers due to the large expanses of open range land there — are already seeing more than eight grasshoppers per square yard. That's like walking through a field and having eight grasshoppers fly in your face with every step, Zach said.
The problem is spreading to Pacific Northwest states not used to dealing with grasshopper outbreaks. In Washington, 451,000 acres of land had a grasshopper density higher than eight grasshoppers per square yard in 2009, up from 67,000 acres in 2006, Zach said. Across the 17 western states, adult grasshoppers blanketed 115 million acres at densities between eight and 15 grasshoppers per square yard, according to the USDA report.
The potential economic impact is uncertain, but federal agencies and researchers are advising farmers and ranchers to keep a watchful eye on grasshopper numbers and be ready to spray their land with pesticides if an outbreak hits.
The most troublesome species across the western states are the clear-winged grasshopper and the migratory grasshopper. These species could team up with another plant pest, the Mormon Cricket, to ravage natural grasses and plants. The Mormon Cricket is actually not a cricket at all, but is a close relative known as a shield-backed katydid.
Smaller grasshopper infestations have hit in recent years. Swarms of grasshoppers devastated over 7,000 acres of grassland in southeastern Oregon's high desert last summer. However, they normally strike open rangeland, which is not as valuable as farmland.
"They eat anything that's green. If they're hungry enough they'll even chew into the shoots," Zach told LiveScience, referring to the two troublesome species.
Most ranchers won't spray pesticides until grasshopper numbers reach 15 per square yard, because it isn't cost-effective on their sprawling ranches, Elliston said.
When grasshoppers run out of food, they will fly away and can get caught in wind currents and journey between 30 to 50 miles (48 to 81 kilometers) in search of food. Mormon Crickets cannot fly, but they can march across rangeland.
"If you have major outbreaks, as the rangeland dries up you'll get them moving into adjacent crop fields, which is also a major problem," Branson said.
The general public shouldn't worry about the outbreak, Zach said. People may notice a few more grasshoppers in their gardens, but unless their house is on the edge of rangeland, where grasshoppers prefer to feast, the outbreak won't be a serious problem for them.

 

[humboldtlocal]

I had a major grasshopper infestation in 2001. I lost whole plants to the little bastards. It was horrible. I have never had a problem since. Seams like there was a month window in may-june where they were everywhere. Hope we don't get a bad one this year. They can do a lot of damage. I would think that normal organic pesticide prevention would leave a bad taste in their mouth. Any one have a product they like to use? One of my places is surrounded by prime grass hopper habitat. Big open fields. Thanks for the warning StrainHunter.

 

[Strainhunter]

The product I used back then is not available anymore nowadays. Not sure why that is so but we all know how the EPA sometimes is making doubtful decisions.

And yes (some of) my plants were eaten all the way down to the stalks, others left completely alone!

I am sure someone will chime in suggesting what to use as a deterrent.

 

[nomaad]

Strainhunter: you may want to post that article in the news section or make a thread for it in the outdoor section.

Always being one step ahead of the critters has served me well so far.