HP Stadium

[keeporegongreen]

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The key to efficiency in this setup is plant numbers. I think I read a few pages back, you're using 400 plants per room NF? That's 100 plants PER light ! The stadium setup just helps get light to all those plants - if you dont have those numbers, or proper cloning technique, a stadium isnt going to magically out-yield hoods (CNN, you would be better served with a hood in there).

Now in some states in the U.S., plant numbers determine the severity of punishment for growing. Please keep this in mind if you plan on emulating an 800-plant setup in your apartment ! I yield 1.6g/w in a SCROG setup with hoods, but I have to add ~3 weeks veg time to make bushes.









(say the word and these are gone)

For maximum efficiency I now use a hybrid of our two setups. I run 18 gallon rubbermaid tubs in a stadium amidst a row of 600w cooltubes, with ~8 clones per tub as single cola plants. More plants, huge root space, stadium seating.

Sweet setup bro!

I love Hasplant too:

 

[ColdNorthNights]

Oh I plan on filling her up. I'm stuck growing from seed so I'm waiting to select phenotypes and then it's off to the races with clones. Right now I'm using Nirvana seeds and I'm noticing a massive difference from plant to plant in vigor and size. I'm also using the space to finish off some of our container garden plants.

I've done about 10 different grows over the last 5 years all flat and am excited to see the difference a stadium makes. So far I think I'm seeing faster growth without the reflectors. Time will tell though...

I still have to install the 3rd light and hang the Can66 as well as do some more sound proofing. But it's getting there.

Nice Hashplant Nuggs there!

 

[Grizz]

Hey cold thanks for showing your set up, single cola plants are the key , pack em in tight and rotate twice a week and your set, Im like you right now, still looking for moms to make it work right . I have a real mess right now with at least five different strains flowering, but like I said earlyer I think I have found my moms now, all I have to do now is re veg them and take a shit load of clones, I will never get 400 in my room though, its 8 ft x 6 ft x 8 ft high with 5 shelves on each side, using 1 gl grow bags I figure 120 is about all I will get in there

 

[keeporegongreen]

Yeah I think an air cooled hood is the way to go as far as direct lighting on small plants. But once you fill up that room w/ clones, that bare bulb will come into its own!

It's all about surface area. A hood produces a concentrated surface of light about 4x4, straight down. Cool tubes and bare bulbs produce 360 degree "tunnels" of light at slightly lesser intensity. If one can create a "V" of plants (as NF does) or a "half-pipe" around that tunnel, wattage is maximized.

NF I think you're right-on about the overlapping bulbs. You have to figure lumen intensity drops off dramatically at more than 3' from the bulb, but the compounded effect of having 4 bulbs with direct line of sight to each plant... it just makes sense. I would LOVE to see you use 2 HPS and 2 MH in your rooms instead of 4 MH. HPS are known for explosive buds... you might just blow your friends' record out of the water. I use strictly HPS, but this thread makes me want to add a 600w MH or 2...

 

[NFR]

Yeah I think an air cooled hood is the way to go as far as direct lighting on small plants. But once you fill up that room w/ clones, that bare bulb will come into its own!

It's all about surface area. A hood produces a concentrated surface of light about 4x4, straight down. Cool tubes and bare bulbs produce 360 degree "tunnels" of light at slightly lesser intensity. If one can create a "V" of plants (as NF does) or a "half-pipe" around that tunnel, wattage is maximized.

NF I think you're right-on about the overlapping bulbs. You have to figure lumen intensity drops off dramatically at more than 3' from the bulb, but the compounded effect of having 4 bulbs with direct line of sight to each plant... it just makes sense. I would LOVE to see you use 2 HPS and 2 MH in your rooms instead of 4 MH. HPS are known for explosive buds... you might just blow your friends' record out of the water. I use strictly HPS, but this thread makes me want to add a 600w MH or 2...

I've been using 2 hps x 2 MH for almost a year now. I think what I'm going to try next is to veg with 8 MH and flower complete HPS. I have the bulbs to try it so it's not a greater overhead bill.

Thanks for the kind words folks!

 

[Brad]

maybe i missed it, but how tall/long do you let them veg for?

 

[DEDHEDFRED]

Wow NFR........I didn`t realize you`d been back around since the middle of May...........I just came back recently myself and it`s great ta see you still killin it......I`ve been using vertical racks for several months and killin it right with yas ........A close Bro from the UK Heath Robinson designed em.......Running one strain at a time is definitely the way ta roll as you spoke of as well as knowing what they`ll look like after the stretch to avoid overcrowding...........What`s up with redesigning the stadiums for a Kush grow........Take care Bro..........DHF........ ...........

 

[rr14]

I yield 1.6g/w in a SCROG setup with hoods, but I have to add ~3 weeks veg time to make bushes.









(say the word and these are gone)

For maximum efficiency I now use a hybrid of our two setups. I run 18 gallon rubbermaid tubs in a stadium amidst a row of 600w cooltubes, with ~8 clones per tub as single cola plants. More plants, huge root space, stadium seating.

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How does your new setup compare to your old scrog technique in terms of yield and number of plants? How many plants were you previously using per light and how many now?

Do you find hashplant to be your heaviest yeilder that you've tried out?

 

[Grizz]

I've been using 2 hps x 2 MH for almost a year now. I think what I'm going to try next is to veg with 8 MH and flower complete HPS. I have the bulbs to try it so it's not a greater overhead bill.

Thanks for the kind words folks!

just my 2 cents worth but I find the t5's work best for veg for me, keeps them real short and bushy.

 

[sarek]

Modified SCROG stadium in 4x4 table and Cool tube.

Ok so here is my ides, take a standard 3x3 ebb n flow tub with a hood above. Put trellising across the top which is 4x4 size. Run some trellising up the sides 2 feet or so. Grow a short indica in the center and a stretchy strain on the sides in corners. 4 in center in 6 inch cubes, 1 in each corner to stretch. 8 total. vegged about 1 month.

Instead of radiant hood which has 120 degree illumination pattern use a cool tube which illuminates 180 degrees giving 60 extra degrees and allowing the light to be a bit deeper in the stadium where the sides go up to 180 degrees.

Anybody try this? I imagine u could hget 1g/w at least manybe more but still get benefits of easy to use ebb n flow system easy and big yield.

thoughts?

 

[DeebeeAhhSee]

Seriously considering the stadium setup, although I don't think purple kush would be my choice as kushes around here bring the best dollars per lb.
My room is 11x11 and right now I have 3xthousand watt HPS hooded lights in a flat grow setup in square pots. I'll try to post a pic later on.

 

[Grizz]

Seriously considering the stadium setup, although I don't think purple kush would be my choice as kushes around here bring the best dollars per lb.
My room is 11x11 and right now I have 3xthousand watt HPS hooded lights in a flat grow setup in square pots. I'll try to post a pic later on.

your close to my room size, mine is 12 x 12 with the 8x6x8 flower room 2 1000 w hps and onw 600w hps, this left me enough room to have a 3 x 9 mother space and 4 18 inch wide shelves for clones under t5's. I love the system, it WORKS..

 

[DeebeeAhhSee]

I have a veg closet that is 4'x8'x 20"
So I'm trying to work out how to use the space for the stadium.
I'd also like to make one side of the stadium movable so I can move it according to the light and eliminate stretch... since the lights hang you can move them rather easily and always have the plants at a good distance.
If any one has ideas or more pictures... feel free to send them to me in a pm or what have you.

 

[Grizz]

I have seen one set up on wheels but can't remember where, I have found if your room is 6ft wide and do 5 shelves on each side and use 1000w or 600 w with overlapping light pattern there is no use in moving it. but if ya have the room I guess it would be handy to be able to pull one side out because it does get tight in there when there in full flower.

 

[BigWillyDee]

northern what was the deal with the 3 shelves per side rooms you were talking about? dimensions? what kind of veg were doing? how many plants? i love this setup but the plant numbers are killing me and whats that saying? " don't do the crime if you can't do the time" so i'd like to keep numbers below 100 any ideas that i can work with?

thanks sorry for all the questions

 

[keeporegongreen]

How does your new setup compare to your old scrog technique in terms of yield and number of plants? How many plants were you previously using per light and how many now?

Do you find hashplant to be your heaviest yeilder that you've tried out?

Using single-cola plants in rubbermaids is much more efficient in terms of veg time to yield. The downside is plant numbers. With a SCROG you can yield as efficiently in terms of wattage, but you're using an extra 2-3 weeks to turn those clones into bushes. If you're desperately trying to squeeze an extra harvest per year, go straight to flower from clone (after it's rooted and growing). If you're a medical grower who is concerned about plant numbers, put 1 plant per 10-20 gallon rubbermaid (no drainage, cleaner that way), and scrog them out. Both will yield maximally, especially if you can arrange them in a stadium.

Hashplant yields well with tons of trichs, all over. But for yield I'm currently growing Ice, Big Bud, and a Recon pheno (L.A. Confidential x Cannalope Haze) that yields fat but takes an extra 2 weeks. I'm convinced almost any strain can yield well... just stay away from 90 day hazes, those vines have overrated smoke anyway.



Peace

 

[whodi]

SO what are the yields like with this stadium type grow? If it's just 1 gram per watt then might as well do table grows with horizontal lighting...

I thought this vertical SOG stuff was supposed to yield closer to 1.5 g's per watt

 

[DeebeeAhhSee]

I have a flat grow right now with about 37 plants under three lights and its a stretch... I easily could go with less. I like the stadium idea because it allows for a more efficient use of space and light. Yield will increase for me just based on number of plants. I still like bigger buds so I'll develope my stadium to use less plants with shelves that allow for a plant thats just a bit taller. I'll grow in bigger pots with 5 shelves 12 inches apart, 10 plants per shelf for a total of a hundred (99). There is absolutley no way I could cram a hundred plants into my space in a flat grow. So for me its a matter of efficiency.

 

[LearningTheWays]

loving the set up northern! I'm actually thinking about doing this kinda set-up... just have a few questions though? How do you close off the entrance so know light escapes? I understand that you don't enclose the actual stadium because of air flow... but if you have two of these rooms side by side, wouldn't the light from the other room that's currently on affect the other room? possibly stressing the plants out?

 

[LearningTheWays]

bump
also remembered another question, you said something about another grower making the set up a foot shorter and using less plants. Did he also change it to 3 gallon bags or did he stick to the 1 gal?